It seems you've taken to calling them pricks?

You sound pretty delusional to me dear. Please get some help. Re-registering under another username doesn't earn you any respect or insight either.

I've stated that there are roses... and pricks among the thorns.

The man who called me a "ho" first... well,... ya know.

And, as far as being the "bigkahuna"... you may need some help. Clearly, we see signs of meglamania.

And if we evaluated Peter psychologically (the apostle)... he fits everything on Mrs. W's list.

Only problem?

He wasn't delusional.

(But only if one believes the Bible.)

If one doesn't believe God works by His Spirit, etc., etc.... the apostle Peter was everything Mrs. W says.

Take his story of a blanket with different meats and animals "appearing" to him in the vision... believing he had associated with the "Son of God", etc., etc., etc....

and on the Day of Pentecost... whoa!!!!

It all depends on how one looks at things.

Get some help, dear.

(Does that sound patronizing?)

I see you post the conflict between Nietzche and others.

Did you know in Soviet Russia... saying a person believed in God used to land an individual (mostly Christians) in a mental asylum??

And did you know, in the reverse, that Nietzche was an alcoholic who wrote his writings "under the power" of what he stated was a force outside himself... in "automatic writing".

He'd "pass out"... not be really alert... "come to"... and there would be his writings.

The secular world views him as a genius.

You may think yourself really smart... but then again... God knows all things.

Back, please go BACK on medication. They have just come out with a really great new manic depression drug. I bet if you took it for a couple months you would look at the world completely differently.

Why did your EX husband leave you?

I am trying to figure out why, if you are so beautiful and wonderful to be around, WHY did your husband then leave YOU?

How could he leave someone like you?

I dont understand. What do you think the reason was? And why did he then legally divorce you?

Is your name Marilyn, by chance?

Oh I read the first post and you explained it. Your husband was attractive and was tempted by another woman and you freaked out. You went out of control yelling at him. Did you physically assault him or anything or just yell?

Are you still friends with your husband or do you not talk to him?

Back - This "powerful call to ministry" you feel is something that, in my humble opinion, you need to consider giving up for a very long time, if not permanently. If you want to stand up and give a personal testimony about how you "felt" grace has impacted your life, you are certainly more than welcome to do that. But NOT as a "ministry."

It is my opinion, which you may agree with or disagree with, that you are nowhere ready to be in an ministry position that involves leading and teaching others. I base that opinion on reading what you have posted here on MB and in your "inability" to engage discussion of your past. You RUN from anything that touches on what you "feel" is too personal or distressing to you personally. That is NOT how one engages in a ministry.

You refuse to be honest about what former "name" you used on MB. That is deceitful at worst and denial at best.

You take great apparent pleasure in "everyone" thinking what a great and beautiful person you are, but you run from discussion about why one person didn't think so, and left you for another woman because he didn't think so.

Back, there are many personal issues that you need to confront and address before you are possibly "ready" to do any sort of ministry.

What you want is all "peaches and light, fun times and frivolity." That is NOT what God promises to ANY believer, but you seem to have extreme difficulty in recognizing that you could have "sides" of you that are not so loving and wonderful.

It seems as though you want to prove your "worthiness" as a believer, yet the humility seems to lacking, or at least only turned on when you can use it to give the impression that you are so full of grace that everyone else is "beneath you" and you should be "worshipped" as some "specially anointed person."

Now I know that you will likely see what I have said as an attack, but it's not. It is a sincere concern for you as both a person and as believer in Jesus Christ.

I also believe that "anything" that might be said, including what I have just said, is likely to fall on "deaf ears" because you WANT to believe that you are so special.

When you were offered a chance to actually discuss Scripture and what it might actually say, you "felt" it was "too much" for you and you chose to run away.

What has been your preferred "mode of discussion?" To tell everyone how "wonderful" you are, how everyone "flocks to you" so you can be center of attention, and how you mercilessly attack anyone who might disagree with you on any point.

That's not a "ministerial mindset."

You seek the glory, or at least the adulation of others for how nice and good you are.

To God be the glory, Back. We, believers, are instruments, vessels, pots and pans, if you will, that GOD uses, for His glory and honor, not our own.

I told you previously that I was inquiring of God about the wisdom of continuing to discuss, at least publicly, things with you. There IS no discussion taking place. There IS a lot of "tit for tat" bickering, but not discussion.

There is no point in continuing further posting to perpetuate this sort of unproductive conversation.

The door will remain open should you ever want to engage in substantive discussion.

If you do, I'm around and it won't be hard to find me if you want to really deal with issues, not just glitzy and glossy banter.

Why? Because it is clear that you don't want help and don't think you need any help. So you distract from the primary purpose of the board and people waste their time (as I may very well be doing with the time it took to compose and post even this message) in posting to you or trying to offer what they see as help to you.

I TOOK the time to make this post to you so you will KNOW two things as fact.

First, you are NOT ready for any sort of ministry or for dealing with the really serious problems that people may encounter in their lives. You run from, rather than confront, your own very serious problems and that would result in what would be tantamount to the "blind leading the blind."

Second, rather than just drop off the face of the "posting to you planet," I thought you deserved to know why at least one other brother in Christ has decided that it is best to let you believe whatever you want to believe and leave it up to God to reach you when He has determined the "time is right." The "lava" has not stopped, Back. It is still flowing under the surface and is merely camouflaged by the less "fiery direct frontal assaults on others" that you have chose to employ when you disagree with someone else. That, too, is a symptom of denial that self-examination is needed by all of us, including yourself, from time to time.

You get "affirmation" from Ph.D's to confirm that others have a "problem," but you don't? You are a "Ferrari" and that is supposed to somehow justify and/or excuse your behavior and make you "special?" Some might want a Ferrari, but the Ferrari might just want to be admired and desired, and others might consider the Ferrari to be "materialistic" and beyond what God intended as where to "place their money." But you don't turn to the Scripture and search for what God thinks unless you can find something that "agrees" with your preconception. You appear to "pick and choose" the parts of Scripture you find that will "agree with" or "support" your own already existing "wants and desires," but you won't even look at other passages of Scripture (also God's inspired Word) that might say something like, "hold on there just a minute, you may be lifting parts of Scripture out of context and not the whole of what I (God) have to say to you, especially about the more difficult issues in life."

Can this "ministry" call that you feel lead to some "good things?" Sure. Few things are "all good" or "all bad." But it can also be a cover for other things that are not so good. It wouldn't be the first, nor sadly the last, time that personal problems left un-addressed later surfaced to cause greater harm to the name of God.


Should you ever reach the point where you DO want to examine the Scriptures, the door will always remain open. Remember, discussing does not mean that you "MUST" accept someone else's understanding of Scripture. But denial and refusal to discuss is a good way to wind up accepting "whatever gospel tickles one's ears."

God bless, and may you come to the point where you know that sincere examination of the Scripture is NOT a threat to you, but how God communicates with us His will. That is WHY He gave us the Scriptures. May you NOT rely so heavily on your "feelings" and your interpreting your feelings as being "certainly" from God, just so long as they reinforce your already existing preconceptions.

A "meddler" I have no desire to be nor to be so "judged" by you. A fellow believer who is genuinely concerned about you yes. But since you interpret such concern, if it results in a differing opinion from your own, to be "meddling," I have chosen the path of "wisdom" in arguments. "It takes two to argue and when one person chooses not to argue, the argument cannot continue." Whenever you want to DISCUSS things....

Does anyone really believe word one of this bullchit?
I keep waiting for the early supporters to crawl out of the woodwork and offer up some additional misguided advice.

I don't doubt for a minute that we have seen this poster before...and that the board is being played here.

I think Back is running with the BP act and making it so obvious as to gather attention.

This Ferrari is out of gas and has flat tires. In fact, if you look close enough, you will see that it is actually a 72 Ford Pinto...worn and weary.

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Back - This "powerful call to ministry" you feel is something that, in my humble opinion, you need to consider giving up for a very long time, if not permanently. If you want to stand up and give a personal testimony about how you "felt" grace has impacted your life, you are certainly more than welcome to do that. But NOT as a "ministry."

It is my opinion, which you may agree with or disagree with, that you are nowhere ready to be in an ministry position that involves leading and teaching others. I base that opinion on reading what you have posted here on MB and in your "inability" to engage discussion of your past. You RUN from anything that touches on what you "feel" is too personal or distressing to you personally. That is NOT how one engages in a ministry.

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I didn't come here to engage in a ministry. I came here because I was feeling myself come out of withdrawal... and a great deal of pain was surfacing... and I thought I'd try to work through it.

But I do have a ministry call on my life.

I can't find any examples of perfect people in the Bible... can you? Other than Jesus?

Can you find for me one example of a person on this board who has been through what I have been through (there are many who have)... and handled everything perfectly in relation to that... in the midst of trial, struggle, pain... did no LB'ing... and were perfect in every respect... in thought, feeling, word, and deed???

And if people will stop arguing and debating with me... then I guess I wouldn't feel any need to "answer back".




I've been a serious Bible student for over 20 years. I was saved as a child. You stated you were becoming offended.

I don't want to experience discussions of scripture that are taken personally... when what is discussed is personal to me.

I valued you too much not to drop it. I'd rather protect a relationship... protect myself... and just drop it.

I'm not going to have a discussion that results in negativity. I'll drop it.

I've studied the manner intensely from a number of different views. I was interested your view... balancing it against mine. I was open to re-consider another point of view. I'm always open to consider the Word... though I've already studied the matter out with great detail personally from diverse points of view.

Personally, I believe every Christian is called to ministry. The royal priesthood of believers.

And I believe all Christians are anointed and qualified to minister. (The Word of God and the Great Commission says so. I'm not one to believe in a hierarchy of paid professionals. I more take the body ministry position. I don't limit God to using a "select few".)

FH, you have a very limited knowledge of me as a person. If I tried to "flesh out" what you don't know... well, I'm not allowed to say anything good about myself, am I?

Guess I just need to listen to you tell me I'm just awful... and not contradict you....

OK, I"ll turn the other cheek.

You say any thing you want, FH... cause you're the one with the stones to throw.

I guess you just want me to "take it".

Well, it doesn't change anything. It's your opinion. And I'll let you have it.

What are you saying... about "running".

Hmmmmm.... am I running from the fact that I have panic attacks in relation to the ex? Well, that's exactly what happened. You sure hit the nail on the head there.

Want me to turn back and not run from that? Plan A?

I'll digress to tell you... if I felt like I was strong enough... I'd go to a limited "Plan A". Know why? It's an "acid test". I'll know whether the witness of the Holy Spirit is there or gone.
But, I'm not going there. Not now. I'm too careful. I don't think it's really "running" (though I do have to evaluate that).

I think it's waiting on the Lord, for now.

If you can't stand the heat... stay out of the kitchen... they say. Well, if the situation is too hot for me... I get burned by it... and I may lose my composure and enable the ex and the OW... I'm staying out of the kitchen.

Plan B. I'll let the Lord deal with the ex.

No matter what you say... I would like to enjoy myself. The joy of the Lord is my strength. I started this thread... didn't want all this trash attack and criticism on it.

I have every right to take the advice I want, and leave the rest behind.

Hey, you didn't give me an opportunity to share with you in a positive way... to just be friends.

You call that "worthless banter". I disagree. Many things resolve themselves when we just are friendly with one another.

Friendship gives strength.

I'm just going to ignore all the negativity that comes against me.

Take your free shots people!

I won't rise to defend myself. (I know how infuriating that is.)

God bless.

Marilyn Monroe?

I don't think her beauty was only skin deep. There was a grace about Marilyn Monroe... a tenderness of heart.

Not everything she did was right and within grace, I believe, but I sincerely believe it was the childlike tenderness of heart... her vulnerability... that caused her to be so... epic.

I've always thought well of her. I thought, most likely, she was a very loving person... and person of true beauty... that just happened to shine through.

Now, sorry, gotta put you on iggy.

There's only so much a person can take.

God bless.

P.S. Marilyn Monroe.

Not EVEN in any minor league approaching her looks. No, not even in the slightest.

However, a certain grace, childlike heart, and vulnerability... FIRE AWAY!!!,... Could I possibly have a certain grace there?

It sure isn't looks. (One of the things I asked the shrink was how in the world could people respond to me as they do... when I just don't have the looks... and I asked him if people experience some form of "delusion" when they see me... the way they respond to me... )

Marilyn Monroe... how many times was she divorced?

I don't think she was a very strong person in some respects... not assertive.

If you compare me to Marilyn in the respects of perhaps why she became divorced... maybe you do have a point there.

Maybe if I compared some things about her persona... never know... maybe... maybe there's some weakness there in common.

back,

Since I'm not a doctor (and didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night lol) I'll refrain from commenting on your mental health. You actually seem like an interesting person to me....but a very hard-headed one too (IMO). <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If you're so confident in your mission, and since you have yet to express any value at all in the thoughts of others...even those kindly spoken....I have to wonder why you're here? The more you speak of your fabulousness, and the less you confront the real issues or the areas you need help with....the more it seems as though you're just yanking our chains. If your purpose here is merely to "toot your own horn"...well you've succeeded in that nicely/grandly....but I'm not sure what else you need or want?

Granted, I can certainly understand your defensiveness considering the diagnoses you've recieved....but your responses actually hurt your defense.

Again....BE wonderful....if you are....because "saying" over and over that you're wonderful.....doesn't make it so. You can't put God's gifts to good use, without some humility. If you don't want to "flesh out" who you are....I understand....however, you can expect people to continue to believe you're living in "la la land" if you don't.

I'm always suspicious of people who recreate themselves on this board and come back as somebody new. "People who have nothing to hide....hide nothing." I may be fallable....but I'm real and I'm honest....and every mistake or triumph I've made on MB is right here in the archives for anyone to see.

I don't know who you are.

it is UNPROFESSIONAL to make comments like this to a PATIENT.

"Wow. That really happened??? Wow."

Sounds like he might have been questioning your honesty here.
He might not believe your stories.

What he told me was that he expected that I would rock the world.

Again...totally UNPROFESSIONAL of him to make that type of statement...IF he did.


He didn't say that verbatim. What he said was, "I can't wait to see you on tv."

Ooops...I guess he didn't really make that comment...huh.

Well, since he really didn't say you would "rock the world" the TV comment might have been because you were doing a LOCAL commercial for a realty company.

You are NOT keeping it real BACK. It is [color:"red"] GRANDIOSE [/color] at the minimum.


[color:"red"] cause my reality... really is "over the top".

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The most honest and believable thing coming from you yet.

committed

Back - you have a rather unique way of filtering everything through your own lens so that you only "hear" what you want to hear or only what you want to hear.

I will repeat once more what I said, and then be done with it. You were putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, and I told you that you should not do that and that I would not put words into your mouth, in a effort to "nip in the bud" that possibility. I did NOT say that I was hurt or mad. Besides, "offended" doesn't mean someone doesn't want to talk with you. All it means is that you don't like what you are hearing, and the "proper" thing to do when the "offense" may have been intentional is just what I did with you, tell you what is offensive and how we might be able to procede without offending each other.


A "case in point" of your "filtering," Back:


Sharing the Good News is what the Great Commission is all about for all believers, especially through what is known as "lifestyle evangelism." By the same token, Leaders in the churches were chosen, not self appointed. The same holds true today, following the Biblical guidelines for selecting the leaders in a church. Or does it not matter to you whether or not the Pastor of your church has any formal training and the temperment and the gift of pastoring from God to BE a shepard of the local flock?

Besides, your "opinion" and "attitude" on this is in direct contradiction of Scripture and the "gifts" that are given to believers. You may think that is "just FH's opinion" and dismiss it as you have almost everything else when people have tried to extend their help to you. However, Note: not all gifts are given to all believers. That IS what is in God's Word, so my "opinion" on that matter would seem to be consistent with Scripture.

'Nuff said.'

I wish you well.

People...do we really need to see anymore than the above quote to KNOW Back is a flat out liar????

so, in addition to her two therapists that think she is the cats meow...a priest that supports her screwing her ex H... we now have a doctor that told her that men would piss their pants in the presence of a woman like Back.

WOW....Bramble Rose...are you out there?

This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of how it is not possible to RATIONALIZE with the ALIEN WS.

This woman may be likeable but is evidently delusional.

She also can be maddening but she is doing NONE of this on purpose.

She is sick and I personally am SAD for her.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT about this. I have personal and professional experience in this area.

My father was likeable when he was drunk. I can't speak for Mrs. W. but I'm thinking that she can speak from years and years of experience with this since childhood.

I know what it is like to try to talk sense to a person who is not sane. My most recent experience was with my WH.

It is an EXERCISE IN FUTILY, gives such people an audience and YES, ENABLES THEM..

Yes, where is BR when we need her?

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Mimi...people do not lie by accident. that requires conscious thought. People can exaggerate on some level based on delusion...but flat out lies require cognition beyond her supposed disease. And I have extensive professional experience with this.

Liars lie.

I hear you, MEDC, about the lying...but she's not gonna stop because of her current delusional system...in order to feed into the grandiosity...you cannot TALK a person out of a DELUSION..that's why they need meds....

Now if Back is so delusional that she has no footing in reality right now...I guess she could lie and not realize it...but I just don't buy it.