graplin, I would like to see your compassion for back's VICTIMS here? Where would that be? She has actively abused board members, but I have not seen any mention of that? Where could I find that?

Is this yet another example of your misplaced compassions?

I didn't say this.

I haven't mocked her.

I have repeatedly said that, IMO, she is ill and needs help.

I don't think that it is MEAN to report who she is.

I think it's MEAN, and that's my opinion, I can state my opinion..I think it's MEAN to try to talk sense into a person who cannot grasp what you are saying because of their INCAPACITY.

I still go back to my DEMENTED 90 plus year-old grandparents who YES, could be verbally abusive towards me at times. I would YELL at them to the top of my lungs. It was maddening. I was frustrated. But I was being MEAN to them when I was doing that. They couldn't grasp that they were incapable of taking care of themselves.

How the truth is revealed can be.

The point is that there was nothing "MEAN" about exposing back's history.

I will ask again, where is your "concern" for back's abuse victims, graplin? Can you direct me to that post?

Sorry, Grap..I thought you were speaking to me....

Kinda like exposure?

What part of she has issues have you failed to grasp?

How does mocking her and ridiculing her and repeating her "gargoyle and jerks" multiple times somehow protect those other abused board members?

Mere and others who felt they were abused didn't have to stay on the threads. Choosing to stay when they felt abused was their choice - that makes them volunteers, not a victims.


Yes. Is it another example of your desire to drive off people (or "neutralize" them) who aren't standard issue?

"It used to be a place where even people who were wrong were accepted and treated with respect all the while showing them what the resources were here, how to use them, and gradually turned those people perspectives to something positive.

In short this was a site of help, hope, and support. One line retorts, black and white statements about something that is very very fuzzy, and just plain intolerance seems to have invested this place by what seem for all purposes to be nice people.

Her post was wrong. Her intent MIGHT not have been wrong. She'll never have a chance to show if it was or what she has learned. Nice work." - Just Learning

I am amazed that you and your fellow "neutralizers" fail to see what a rebuke this was and how your crusades of neutralization are destructive to this forum.

Indeed,
I would lend support that this is closer to the truth then other assumptions that have been written.

Whatever your thoughts of her,
I tend to believe its a stretch to concur that she's actually padded cell Committable.

Perhaps focus more on other aspects,
rather then this she's Crazy angle.

However,
if it helps In Some Way to classify her as this ....I guess you'll do what you gotta do.
Heck, I ain't your boss.

I agree.

Mimi, no I wasn't referring to you. Like you, I have had family members who dealt with mental disorders. I appreciate you speaking up and starting the thread.

Fighting abuse with abuse makes little sense to me.

I'm starting t think there's more bi-polars here than previously diagnosed by the experts on MB.

Maybe I've arrived at the asylum myself and am in delusion too.

I'm not sure that I see a connection.

Exposure can be:

"Your daughter, my wife, is having an affair. I am telling you, her parents, in the hopes that you will help me in trying to stop the affair and restore our marriage and heal our family."

or

"Your daughter, my wife, is a slut who is rutting like a pig with some guy. I'm telling you in the hopes that you'll let her know what a low-life you think she is whenever you see her. I'm hoping that if enough of her family lets her know how disgusting we find her that she'll leave."

Do you see a difference?

WOW! This is your idea of "ABUSE?" I repeated her OWN NAME CALLING back to her, to demonstrate to that it is SHE who is abusive in an attempt to silence her abuse and you accuse me of being abusive? Another example of your misplaced "compassion," graplin. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

What this tells me, graplin, is that you fancy yourself as the self appointed arbiter of "compassion." But are very selective about your targets and overlook many. Just as on the troll thread, where you bizarrely offer sympathy to trolls but CARE NOTHING for their victims. As always, you have it backwards.


Yet you don't use this standard when speaking of JL. Strange, huh? He is a "victim" yet Mere and others who were deeply offended are just "volunteers." More contradictions in your thinking, graplin.

I like #2 better as it is closer to the truth.

Your analogy is ridiculous since the starter of this thread [or anyone else for that matter] used none of the dramatic tactics you describe. Your dramatics do nothing to make your point for you, graplin, but instead make you look silly.

"in an attempt to silence her abuse"

Was she being abusive when you sought to silence her by your repeated quoting of her name calling?

No.

It was not an attempt to silence her abuse, it was an attempt to silence her.

Maybe she is a troll. What harm would be done by respectively speaking truth to her anyway?



I have not called nor do I think JL was a victim.

I don't think he acted as if he thought he was a victim nor do I believe he was driven off.

Whatever contradiction you think you see is a figment of your own thinking, it is not something I have asserted.

I think JL looked around and saw what this forum has degenerated into and he spoke truth to it and then shook the dust off his sandals.

The tongue is a powerful thing, death and life are in it. Do you think it a good thing to return evil for evil and insult for insult?

Graplin, I say this sincerely, but I have observed a pattern with you of very misplaced, selective "compassion" based on emotional immaturity. And this is indicated by your history of always sympathizing with the VICTIMIZER and never the VICTIM. Now, I understand that the back/Laura case is a little different because of her mental illness, but it carries all the same patterns in that you utterly IGNORE the folks she has abused and have no compassion for them.

You did the same odd thing with the subject of trolls. You were ONLY concerned about the mere POTENTIAL of hurting someone's feelings by calling them a TROLL at the EXCLUSION of the very REAL damage done by trolls here. You care nothing about that, although they have hurt many people on this board. But rather than help people learn to deal with the potential of name calling, you encourage them to be emotional cripples over silliness like being called a troll. You imagine that the solution is to change the world,[an impossible endeavor] instead of changing our OWN immature reaction to name calling and growing up. That is emotional immaturity to an extreme.

[and is the foundation of the mental illness of political correctness]

So, you have to understand why I don't view you as very credible in the compassion department when your compassion seems to be very selectively limited to ABUSERS and not victims and not based on emotional maturity. You are not what I would ever consider the arbiter of compassion even though you seem to have appointed yourself to that position.

Another day, another shark-feeding. It's like I've turned on the National Geographic Channel.

Steve Harley is *really* ok with this?

Wow.

PK

Smelled blood in the water, did ya? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

There is lots of ANGER and NEGATIVITY here...

That is SAD.