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Soul speaker sounds so mych like the juvenile soulmate crap. LOL


I KNOW! LOL..... it will disappear soon enough. It was for effect.

You too mate.

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stillsinging...I truly hope you seek out Mrs. W. She is a blessing to this board.

One lesson to learn here is that you stated that you didn't know OM was a bad guy at first...remember that any man that would sleep with a married woman is a bad guy. He did not treat you in an way that glorified your life/marriage. Never tolerate infidelity in anyone you know...shine the light of truth on it always.

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I thought you said your H xplained it. And I thought you knew we had a bunch of trouble on the board cuz of it. My bad. That's why I found it so funny cuz there was so much crap happening over it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



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I have read a lot about WHO (specifically) is a troll, and what they do/how they work, but not exactlly how to SPOT one.

Man, I wish I could say I was just kiddin! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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S_S - look at ozdreamers posts right here on your thread - designed only to cause trouble. That is a dead giveaway.


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it will take some experience here before you can do that.

follow the lead of vets here that you have learned to trust. they have no reason to steer you wrong.

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Gotcha on the bad guy thing, but not all of them and their friends are actual criminals. That's why we were worried.

But want2stay will tell her. The question of "when" was asked my Mrs. W. Here is our thought on that...DH will wait unitl right after Christmas. Her mom died suddenly 3 Christmases ago and it is still a pretty horrible time for her.

Do you think this is wise, as I know some have said every day that goes by makes it worse..?


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she should know asap. every day living a lie is an added insult.

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OK. I will tell DH (although I'm sure he's sneakin' and readin' this at work...bad boy!)


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just my .02, but I would tell her AFTER Christmas so she doesn't associate all future Christmases with the shock of the affair. It has waited this long, 2 more weeks won't hurt anything, IMO.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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I truly hope you seek out Mrs. W. She is a blessing to this board.

Thank you very much for saying that MEDC, I appreciate it very much! You are very a valuable asset around here too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I took the "unique situation" bit out of the title of this thread for BK. He said it was fog-ish <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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hehehehe he was right! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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The more you read and the longer you are here you will see that there are no unique situations. They are all startlingly the same.


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Normally, we all say to tell the BS like yesterday. But, this one is really hard. I agree that it would suck if she has to associate the affair with Christmas every year.

Hard to say. I'm thinking it should wait.


Husband was unfaithful to me before and after our marriage, at least 7 times. I found out 13 yrs into the marriage. Trickle truth for an entire year. Several different d-days, so it was more like a d-year. Difficult recovery.



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S_S...

I'm going to comment on something I read you say on another thread...You said something to the effect of "I just came out of the fog two days ago"...First, it's a process, not an event, so expect it to take some time...It is a gradual thing...Secondly, it is really not something that you yourself can measure...Even now 2.5 years into recovery I still monitor...I will ask Mr. W things like "Does this seem foggy?" or "Is this a foggy thought process?"...

I see great potential in you and am very glad that you are here! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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S_S,

You are getting some excellent advice and support.

Stick with it!

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Thanks, Mrs. W!

I guess a more accurate way of putting it is "I am finally starting to see how my thought process was wrong or foggy."

I read on here about WSs and their fogspeak, and saw myself in many of those statements, even last week, and I don't feel that way at all any more. I guess this thread proves that even when we begin to see the light, it IS still a process.

With your help, I will get there eventually, though!


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I see my dear wife was thinking alone the same thoughts as I. I went to Pepperbands pinned thread at the top of this board to copy a post I wrote about the fog about 1.5 years ago. (you'll also see it addresses some board wars that occurred at that time as well, which won't make much sense since you weren't here...just know that they flare up from time to time.)

Sidenote: I was speculating about the poster Celt herein and she did, in fact, turn out to be a troll with about 5 or 6 different names (IWRA, Sarie, et. al.) that stirred up quite a bit of dissension on these boards for years...she MAY even be amoung us now. Banning is imperfect on an open forum.


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To the Foggy;
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Foggy is not a bad word. It's merely an assesment by those that have come before you of your current position. I've been foggy, Mrs. Wonderings has been foggy...almost everyone here has been foggy at one point or another dealing with this mess. The term is thrown around here quite often as a way to say "come on, think about what you are saying/arguing...you are so close to processing this and you just refuse". We also want to make clear to newbies that your advice, statements, arguments, questions should be, in our opinions "caveated" (if thats a word) and/or disregarded as your perspective is not YET in alignment with the principles here on MB.
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We are not condemning you to a lifetime of fogginess (though I am certain some remain there). We are hopeful that your perspective will change and become more healthy. By sticking around and continuing with these debates seeds of clarity ARE certainly being planted. So keep going but try not to take offense to us so easily for one day you will be us, no kidding. We are thankful MB has provided the forum for your (and our) development as we ALL put our minds around this momentus event that occured in all our lives. MB, really is the best infidelity recovery program known today. I don't think I could improve it and I really don't see how one fresh out of an affair could even conceive of improving it, but I understand how the fogginess makes one try.
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When Mrs. Wondering and I first arrived (I read first but she initiated us posting), she and I both poked fun at the cult like attitudes that were being presented to us. We too thought some of the methods were being portrayed to rigidly and were QUESTIONABLE, to say the least. We thought we could swath our own path. We WERE foggy then so we completely understand and SEE where you all are coming from now. No worries, we love ya anyway.
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On the other hand, I have a sneeking suspicion that 1 or more of you may be other than you say you are. Celt, in particular, strikes me as potentially a full blown WS, a WS that is now divorced or an OP. Come on, a year recovered BS that thinks exposure is a bad thing, continual posts on every exposure thread here debating intricacies which are quite clear and is proud of the fact he "saved" his wife's reputation by not exposing her affair. I'm a BS that didn't expose and "saved" my wifes reputation but WE (the Mrs. and I) see absolutely clearly I should have exposed at least to her parents and the single OM's family. It would likely have cut weeks off her 3 month affair. Accordingly, we now consistently encourage others to do FULL exposure in accordance with MB principles. In my opinion, Celt's posts appear specifically designed to stir the pot, distract us from our intended purpose (of helping real couples afflicted by infidelty), play on newbie BS fears, and pointedly attack Melody Lane as she IS one of the many but perhaps the most outspoken "affair buster" superhero. I don't know if this is a concerted organized attack on MB or a personal vendetta against Melody Lane and/or MB...but I suspect it, nonetheless. Sfjaj, a few others and even you Cookie I suspect. Not an accusation, just a suspicion. But then again, I am a conspiracist. I'd investigate myself if I thought I'd find anything.
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On the other hand, we have recently had a handful of WW's show up. Last June when I arrived I only saw a few WW's regularly posting and when a new WW arrived they were usually an island of dissent/fogginess and rarely got support and thus rarely swam against the stream for long on the board. However, with so many arriving at nearly the same time the foggy have been recently embolden to post their opinions and advice regardless of the fact they are mistaken and contrary to solid MB principles. Notice I am not saying they are wrong, IMO they are just not of the proper perspective YET to internalize the brillance of the MB program and ALL its components so they question the PROFESSIONALLY designed, TRIED and TESTED narrow MB path. It doesn't help that they have since been told that their "opinions" no matter how fogged out are somehow valuable and should be respected. I guess we all do really in essence respect the opinion; but, recognize and point it out for what it is, foggy, so that newbies are hopefully not distracted. We respect the foggy individuals as what they are and as they post here PROCESSING what they need to process to become healthy again, whether individually, as a marital partner or as a divorcee. We all are here rooting for you all to fully get it.
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BTW, we are still foggy ouyselves on some issues including in particular conflict avoidance. We are trying to learn and get better but its tough to break old engrained habits. The difference is, I would not begin to tell, question or advise people, how to address their conflict avoidance issues, let alone in opposition to the stated professional principles, until I had at least got a handle on my own.
Foggy is NOT a put down, it's who you are and who I am. I believe us to be at differing levels of fogginess, but, I guess, thats just my opinion. I wish you all a succesful journey...we really do want to see you on the other side of these arguments and healthy/healthier one day.
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Thanks for that post, Mr. W!

OK, so new question...if some of you have read my posts to others, do you think I should stop? Do you think I am still too foggy to help anyone else?

The only time I felt I got a little carried away was with tryingtoohard. I heard him buying into her line of reasoning, particularly concerning spying or confronting her OM. I felt very strongly b/c she was saying all that crap I said a while back, it was like deja vu. I wanted him to feel he had the right to watch her.

I have already laid off the posting, except to this thread, since yesterday. I got on a "save the BS" kick and wanted them to know they were justified. I watched my DH buy into my reasoning for so long, and he really reminded me of that time.


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