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I don't think posters should handle trolls...
I think that's the boards/moderators job...
If one finds another board members response to a troll or instigator to be inappropriate should they attack that board member and accuse him of "abuse" or should they report it to the mods? Does this principle work both ways, in other words?
if it breaks the rules of the boards....it should be reported...
yes
right?
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if/when one is here and finds a poster....offensive...
I assume that onus lays with that member to report such offenses to the mods...
let the mods rule
and then live with their decision..... Would that apply also to those who are attempting to CORRECT those who do not handle trolls in the manner of which they approve? Or is it only ok to confront fellow board members but NOT TROLLS? If one finds another board members response to a troll or instigator to be inappropriate should they attack that board member and accuse him of "abuse" or should they report it to the mods? Does this principle work both ways, in other words? The problem IMO is that is not always given to just "trolls" as is it put here many times. I think pretty much all of us are smart enough to figure out who we take stock in and who we don't after being here for a little while. But for those that first come here it is definetly a SCARY place when you really just want someone to listen to you.
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I'm just happy that you and TST are finding reasons to smile these days. What an absolute success story you guys are!
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bp, I'm just sayin'....
I guess I could go back and look for those posts, but today, I'm just too lazy...
What I see today is like....
member 15 - You know some people are offended by this behavior(this could be you)...
member 16 - Yes, I know i am and anyone who isn't has low moral values
member 17 - Count me in too...I agree with 16 and add a "double-[censored]" on the original poster...
...and so on and so on...
You can even see that on this thread...
Your concern for the vulnerable is admirable, but rather than running ahead of them sweeping furiously like a curling broomer to remove the stones from their path, maybe it's better to teach them how to avoid the rocks that they can't handle. IMHO.
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I don't think posters should handle trolls... But should they handle those who respond to trolls? I agree that the mod should be notified about the troll, but that is not the issue. I don't think anyone disagrees about that. I don't understand why its ok to slap a fellow board member for addressing a troll, but not ok to address or expose a troll.
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Don't reeeeeaaaalllly want to get to involved in this topic, but...
My FWH and I have been the target of some of the recent trolls. Some of the posts were cruel to my FWH at a time when he was OVERWHELMED with grief and remorse, and I am so grateful that people here immediately came "running" and posted on FWH's thread identifying the troll and advising my FWH about it.
I saw first hand the damage from a troll. I don't take it lightly.
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OK-- so I'm a noobie, but I see MANY MANY of these threads bring up "trolls". Maybe I'm an idiot and should know this... but what in DOG's Green earth is a TROLL?? Are they just people that are only here to stir up trouble? That is the impression I get?
And secondly, if that is what trolls are... geezus, there are people that need to get a LIFE! Why would you come here and stir up trouble amongst people that are already hurting so much?? Wow, what has the world become??
Sigh.
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I'm just happy that you and TST are finding reasons to smile these days. What an absolute success story you guys are! Totally amazing what God can do! I would've told you not too long ago, that this is all unbelievable and would never happen. In fact, I'm pretty sure I posted something to that affect to Ace. I'll forever feel indebted to you and Mel and MicheleG and Ace and many others.
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My FWH and I have been the target of some of the recent trolls. Some of the posts were cruel to my FWH at a time when he was OVERWHELMED with grief and remorse, and I am so grateful that people here immediately came "running" and posted on FWH's thread identifying the troll and advising my FWH about it.
I saw first hand the damage from a troll. I don't take it lightly. Now, now, don't say anything ugly about the trolls, SMB. They might be reading here and it wouldn't be "helpful" to hurt their feelings. Don't ABUSE the trolls, SMB, THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO!!
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My problem with all of this is that the "meanness" is not always directed at "trolls" it is usually just when someone does not agree with some MB vets way of thinking.
But once again I say that I personally just don't take any stock into those MB vets who I find RUDE.
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2long, the problem is not the trolls, but certain board members who believe they are best qualified to tell others HOW TO handle trolls. THAT is what has caused the conflict. Years ago, I was taking a mid term essay exam in a stratigraphy class. There was ONE question on the exam that asked how would we interpret a well log from an oil field survey. Everybody in the class wrote pages, interpreting the log. Everybody in the class got an "F" on the test. So, in his "generosity", the professor gave us all a makeup test. On it was the same essay question, only this time he prefaced it "how would you answer this question". Those of us who spent pages describing how we'd answer the question, but didn't ac2ally answer the question - like before - got good scores on the exam. I don't expect this 2 make sense, necessarily. Point for me is that I, and most of my classmates, thought the professor was nuts. But it was his class and we had 2 deal with his preferred methods. Thankfully, I graduated and he's gone now, so other than chalking it up 2 experience, it doesn't matter anymore. But I have figured out HOW to resolve the problem, being the very clever and resourceful TEXAN that I am! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Today I have appointed myself the arbiter of correct behavior towards trolls, instigators and allotherunsavaory characters, [yes, even pigs in heat <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />] I request that everyone submit their posts to me for my critique and approval in advance of posting. Applications being accepted at: IamAcontrolling@Jackass.comThank you for your cooperation. GOD BLESS TEXAS! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Aw, Mel. This sh!+ just ain't all that funny anymore. Maybe I'm trying 2 tell the board how 2 handle trolls. Apparently, the mods don't have enough of a problem with they way they're being handled 2 step up and clarify their view, if it's different. I wish Steve Harley would post on this, but I understand he's probably busy. -ol' 2long
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You should talk to your oldest boy about the situation and get him to be on your side. You're their mom and it's very rare for them to side with OW. My 2cents: The above advice was posted TODAY by someone who is a KNOWN troll to a poster who is in dire straights. Is it being said now that vets should not address such blatant bad advice? How does the person being posted to KNOW unless a vet points it out?
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You should talk to your oldest boy about the situation and get him to be on your side. You're their mom and it's very rare for them to side with OW. My 2cents: The above advice was posted TODAY by someone who is a KNOWN troll to a poster who is in dire straights. Is it being said now that vets should not address such blatant bad advice? How does the person being posted to KNOW unless a vet points it out? I don't think anyone has said that...If I have missed it, would you kindly point out the exact statement?
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Now, now, don't say anything ugly about the trolls, SMB. They might be reading here and it wouldn't be "helpful" to hurt their feelings. Don't ABUSE the trolls, SMB, THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You crack me up even when I'm trying not to laugh.
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Maybe I'm trying 2 tell the board how 2 handle trolls. I would agree. And who amongst we posters gets to decide that? If posters get to decide for other posters, then I want to be the arbiter. Apparently, the mods don't have enough of a problem with they way they're being handled 2 step up and clarify their view, if it's different. They do have a problem, but I think the problem is the trolls, rather than board members. I see trolls being removed, not board members, after all. But the conversation seems to be stuck on the behavior of other board members rather the trolls. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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But the conversation seems to be stuck on the behavior of other board members rather the trolls. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Maybe so, but my original post had nothing at all to do with the troll subject. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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I know it didn't, Dwyane. You never brought it up.
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pm:
I'm familiar with this person from another board.
By all means, the bad advice needs 2 be addressed.
Kill the troll with kindness.
Kindness isn't always nice. Sometimes it can be firm. Warning newbies that a post might be from a troll instills caution. Arguing incessantly with oldbies about how 2 do that instills paranoia and/or destroys confidence and trust.
My candle is burning out.
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no heartpain..
what is happening is ONE person is giving their opinion...
and then the next poster gives their opinion...
and then the next...
and then you have a post full of different opinions...
it's not a KNOWN troll...
Its a person..
and if their advice is bad...then surely other posters will come along and post bigger better opinions...
but attacking that poster will not help the person seeking advice...
it will deflect from the person who needs advice....though...
opinions differs all the time....
advice differs all the time...
I give bad advice...
am I a troll....
and the person receiving the advice..thinks and may or may not decide to do something from alllll the advice given...
that's what this board is about...
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