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Is veering off topic in the terms of service?

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Originally Posted by Krazy71
Hey, can't it veer off topic if it's my topic, and I'm taking part in the veering? smile

Its all your fault Krazy ROFLMAO Hey, if you can't laugh at all the garbage going on in the world, how can you live?

Thanks smile

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Originally Posted by Krazy71
Hey, can't it veer off topic if it's my topic, and I'm taking part in the veering? smile

one would think you could krazy... but what do i know.

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Originally Posted by mkeverydaycnt
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But then again, you already knew that. You're just being obstinate.

I NEVER credited him with anything other than his words..which I posted. I do think his words have been mischaracterized.

What was wrong with me posting his exact words...since they were in question.

You are correct...I was thinking you were the one that stated Gore claimed to invent the internet. I apologize.


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Carry on then, Krazy...

Like you said, it's your thread...



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Thanks...aside from a few issues (obviously abortion being one of them) I think AG would make a good president.

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I do apologize to anyone who wants the thread back on topic...fire away!


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Krazy71,

I realize this thread has wondered abit from the first page. I read the first few. I thought I would comment on your statement about McCain.

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Not to get into a political debate, as I'm pretty sure most high-profile politicians have adultery skeletons in their closet, but I don't understand how, after spending 5 years of [censored] in a POW camp, McCain could still have had any growing up to do. I also don't understand how he could have a lack of appreciation for his wife. You'd think after such an experience, he'd embrace her and never let go.

I'll never be in his shoes, but I wonder if being a "war hero" inflated his ego after the fact, and left him with a sense of entitlement due to all of his suffering.
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I am not taking you to task here. As I realize you realize you have never been in his shoes. I am also not defending adultery either. My father was in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, I was on active duty during Vietnam and had one personal friend and knew of a few others that were POW's.

Combat changes people, being a POW really changes people. I don't know the definitive statistics but POW marriages don't do well. I have no idea what happened in McCain's marriage and never will, but if ever there was someone that deserves a bit of slack on this issue, I would say it was the spouse of a POW or the POW themselves.

I am always reminded of two poems: One is the Rubiyat of Omar Kyam (sp) and the other is Rabbi Ben Ezza. I learned these two poems from my father and his friends; combat pilots all who served many tours in various wars. When they had a few frown they would start to quote poetry. As a kid and a teenager, it had a profound affect on me, NO COMMENTS NEEDED laugh

One poem is the Rubiyat basically says: Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die. The other Rabbi Ben Ezzra: is noted for the line "come along and grow old with me for the best of life is yet to see." It was Browning's (if memory serves me correctly) reply to the Rubiyat. I think men in combat swing from one of these points of view to the other, I would guess that a POW feels these swings even more strongly, especially when freed.

Again I am not taking you to task or anything just offering a point of view based on some limited experience.

God Bless,

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Originally Posted by Just Learning
Krazy71,

I realize this thread has wondered abit from the first page. I read the first few. I thought I would comment on your statement about McCain.

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Not to get into a political debate, as I'm pretty sure most high-profile politicians have adultery skeletons in their closet, but I don't understand how, after spending 5 years of [censored] in a POW camp, McCain could still have had any growing up to do. I also don't understand how he could have a lack of appreciation for his wife. You'd think after such an experience, he'd embrace her and never let go.

I'll never be in his shoes, but I wonder if being a "war hero" inflated his ego after the fact, and left him with a sense of entitlement due to all of his suffering.
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I am not taking you to task here. As I realize you realize you have never been in his shoes. I am also not defending adultery either. My father was in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, I was on active duty during Vietnam and had one personal friend and knew of a few others that were POW's.

Combat changes people, being a POW really changes people. I don't know the definitive statistics but POW marriages don't do well. I have no idea what happened in McCain's marriage and never will, but if ever there was someone that deserves a bit of slack on this issue, I would say it was the spouse of a POW or the POW themselves.

I am always reminded of two poems: One is the Rubiyat of Omar Kyam (sp) and the other is Rabbi Ben Ezza. I learned these two poems from my father and his friends; combat pilots all who served many tours in various wars. When they had a few frown they would start to quote poetry. As a kid and a teenager, it had a profound affect on me, NO COMMENTS NEEDED laugh

One poem is the Rubiyat basically says: Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die. The other Rabbi Ben Ezzra: is noted for the line "come along and grow old with me for the best of life is yet to see." It was Browning's (if memory serves me correctly) reply to the Rubiyat. I think men in combat swing from one of these points of view to the other, I would guess that a POW feels these swings even more strongly, especially when freed.

Again I am not taking you to task or anything just offering a point of view based on some limited experience.

God Bless,

JL

I can see how being a POW could change a person completely, but since he's still with his affair partner, I can assume that he's still feeling the understandably severe effects of being a POW for 5 years.

Should he really be in the White House, then, if he's still so affected by it that he displays behaviors completely out of character for the "old" John McCain to this day?

Or, is it more likely that being a WS was part of the "old" John McCain's makeup as well?

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Originally Posted by Krazy71
Or, is it more likely that being a WS was part of the "old" John McCain's makeup as well?

Well his first wife didnt think him being a POW had anything to do with it and who knows better than her.



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Interesting. I hadn't heard that.


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Me either...but since she wasn't held prisoner..all she can do is know the description of his horror.

Funny how we can debate John McCain here with no edits...yet, mention Obama and edits are coming out...now why is that?

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Originally Posted by mkeverydaycnt
Me either...but since she wasn't help prisoner..all she can do is know the description of his horror.

Funny how we can debate John McCain here with no edits...yet, mention Obama and edits are coming out...now why is that?

I didn't know that was going on, but I would guess that at least the McCain talk usually centers on his infidelity. Maybe? I don't know.


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I recognize you edited me for harassment ****** Thank you for pointing that out.

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Oh, c'mon...we survived 8 years of GWB...would 4 of Obama really be that bad?


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Krazy71,

I think your WW truely believes affairs are wrong now because she sees that there is no way to justify them.

When WW makes these announcements against affairs in front of you is another way for her to show you remorse.

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Originally Posted by mkeverydaycnt
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laugh

I assume a point is being made?


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Originally Posted by TheRoad
Krazy71,

I think your WW truely believes affairs are wrong now because she sees that there is no way to justify them.

When WW makes these announcements against affairs in front of you is another way for her to show you remorse.

That's how I try to look at it.

I think the discomfort is just triggering on my end.


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LOL @ MEDC and his subtlety..

**snickering**

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krazy, i give you credit.

you have held out longer in your marriage than i could have.

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