That was another ad hominem attack.

Medc responded with "Consider the source".

No facts, nothing of any substance at all. Very Palin-esque.

I DID NOT put myself up as an authority on anything. I was only stating facts and asking questions. I did not say what IS or IS NOT a metaphor. I was making the point that if one part is a metaphor, any part might be.

I didn't try to decide anything for anyone, and we are not in a court of law. There is no "burden of proof". This is only a lively discussion about religion.

What would it take to prove to you (besides dying) that there is no God, no Jesus, and that the Bible is a work of fiction from cover to cover?

There was no morning and evening to begin with, just the electromagnetic spectrum of light. A 24 hour day wasn't established til later, no?

When I pull fossils that have been extinct for 250 million years out of the ground and someone says "the devil" put them there to implant doubt, they have severly miscalculated his intentions.

And again, God's time is absolutely not our time, and I for one do not confine him into a thimble just because I can't fanthom 4 billion years.


If we were created different, then we would have no room for doubt or choice. The breath of life was given to even the creeping things. We were given a soul and freedom of choice.

Even the raven cries out to God for food and the sparrow builds her nest in the temple. They KNOW their maker and he cares for them.



We are supposed to be stewards of the creation, and we are doing a poor job because many think that we are pre-forgiven. Stewardship of the creation is one of our works that will be judged by fire and a buncha people are building with stubble social climbing their way in the church.

Okay, Krazy. Let me put it this way, if you are seriously inquiring rather than just being argumentative because you really don't care about the answers to your questions, then I will attempt to dialogue with you about such answers. Otherwise, it's simply not worth the time just to indulge you in some "game" you might want to play.



Krazy, Christians DON'T consider Noah's Ark and Jonah to be metaphors. They were real, literal, events that took place. Now, if you want to "lump" some folks who might "claim" to be Christians in there as the sort of "Christians" you are referring to, I can understand your confusion.

But so true!

The entire book of Genesis and the entire book of Revelation, for starters.

Other individual stories like Noah's Ark, Jonah, the parting of the Red Sea, how the Ten Commandments came into being, the burning bush, etc.

Those are off the top of my head, and are easy to name.



One or two unlikely stories is one thing, but the Bible is full of such occuracnces. It's clear to me that at least some of them are probably fiction...or "not true".



Yeah, a tiny handful have. Probably fewer than a dozen since skydiving began.

Most of them just die on impact.

It seems that you're willing to believe the equivalent of 5 skydivers jumping out of the same plane at once, all 5 chutes failing to open, and all 5 living to talk about it.

To borrow a phrase you used with appropriate modification: very Obama-esque of you to try to deny what WAS said:


Frankly, your DID put yourself up as the authority and you DID attempt to impose your opinion on others with that statement.

That is the literal truth, not an ad hominem attack.

uh huh again. "Unlikely" to you, but not to me. That neither makes your belief nor mine true. What makes it true is God.

I HAVE seen other side and met the man himself.

NDE?

FH, I would strongly suggest that you consider the source and no longer waste your valuable time debating with those that are at best. ignorant...and at worst, evil.

There are some fools in life that think that no matter how stupid their remarks are...no matter how negative they may be about others beliefs...feel that they are due a response that addresses their idiocy. I would rather just consider the source and spend my time talking with people that have some morals.

There will always be scoffers and God haters for some reason or another.

God isn't a Pez dispenser or ATM machine that can be commanded into obedience with chants and rituals.

No, I didn't. "I say" means "I say". That doesn't mean "you should say" or "we all say". It's another way of saying "in my opinion". My only mistake was not typing "in my opinion".

How Karl Rove of you.

Another 2wit who can't pronounce "nuclear."

I don't vote for those.

-ol' 2long

I don't know how to respond to you as I absolutely trust no-one about it.

Some people would be shouting from the roof tops, but I choose to keep it to myself for some reason. I am extremely uncomfortable with details as I can't even comprehend them.

I caught a bunch of indignant reaction from "upper" church members as they thought that they "deserved" a sneak peak at the other side for being so "faithful" and I was just some schmoe that got a hole blown in him.

I feel any description or mention is boasting that I got something that someone esle didn't get.

To say the least, it was a humbling experience and quite prepared me for my divorce.

Congratulations...two of the nastiest posts (or personal attacks, if you prefer) on this entire thread...from a Christian?


My opinions make me ignorant, and possibly evil, huh? I smell insecurity and paranoia. Evil? Really?


I'm stupid and immoral, too, apparently, because I don't accept fables as fact without a single shred of decent evidence...and I don't keep quiet about it.

So, why don't you bury your head in the sand, and surround yourself with like-minded individuals who will accept everything you have to say without question?

Oh...it's not Sunday yet.

FH, you are merely being goaded into conflict so you can be labled a hypocrite.

I've seen this tactic used over and over by the other side ad naseum.

The late Joseph Campbell (author of "The Power of Myth") was a very smart man.

The Noah story is probably the most obvious example of mythology in the Bible (a monotheistic rewrite of the polytheistic Babylonian Gilgamesh flood story).

"Myth" isn't the same as "fiction". Myths exist 2 convey great truths.

-ol' 2long

I don't hate God, because I don't hate anything that I believe to be nonexistent.

I am an organized religion hater.

it's funny how neither of my posts were in reply to you. One was directed to FH the other was and addition to my own post. You seem to just figure out on your own that you fit the description I laid out.