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A font war will not prove your point, Mel. Atheism is lack of belief in God, not a belief in lack of god.
AGG Again, atheism is a BELIEF that there is no GOD, AGG. Faith is not strictly defined by a belief in GOD. It is defined by: belief that is not based on proofAthiesm is based on a BELIEF, therefore, it is FAITH. No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief. Most "Atheists" I know don't use that term. They just think the Bible is a poorly thought out, wordy book of fables, and that there isn't a single shred of credible evidence that suggests otherwise.
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–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. That is the definition of FAITH, AGG. And it takes ALOT of faith to be an athiest. More than most have. Can you even imagine a person who has no faith, or does your faith require external validation to the point that you think everyone is at least a little like you?
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So, I assert MY MORALS as the universal standard. I'm glad you see the absurdity of your position that one person's morals must apply to us all. AGG But I am using your standard, AGG, can you not see that? My morals may say that it's wrong to speed, another person's morals may say it's OK. If we are all entitled to our OWN MORALITY, then I am entitled to my OWN MORALITY which dictates that I SET the moral standards for everyone. That is your own standard, friend. Your standard... Can you not see the gaping holes in it now?
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No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief. oh, so they don't believe there is no god?
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2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. oh ok, so atheists DON'T BELIEVE there is NO GOD? 
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All my life I've heard people say they know there's a God. They don't "wonder if" or "suppose". They know it with all of their heart.
I guess one could even make a case that they have no faith, given their absolute certainty.
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That doesn't make any sense, LA.  Having a RIGHT to say something is not the issue, but the substance of what she said. It doesn't mean that every view is pro-American just because someone has the right to make it. Do you think I can say something anti-American and just because I have a RIGHT to say it, it changes the NATURE of my statement? Does that make any sense to you? You sound in your first quote, where you said your child's teacher was a retard, an Anti-American...very much like the monarchists who name-called and labeled those who spoke against the crown (though they weren't speaking against the crown)...you sound to me like what the pilgrims fled from...the grinding under your thumb until you say I'm right crew that was the benevolent divine-right-of-kings belief. What do you really gain in being rude to others who have different beliefs? Atheism is a choice, just as Christianity is...and we're blessed to have the choice to live our convictions aloud here in this country. Seems to me, if you keep degrading others, ****EDIT****, into an elbow bendback to agree with you, then your morals don't include respect for differences. So really, what are they, these morals you claim for yourself and call everyone a relativist if they aren't the same as yours? They must include it being okay to mock others when they are wrong in your viewpoint...to me, when you justify doing so, when you wouldn't mock or be sarcastic at your spouse, to others, then you're in a wayward state of mind, aren't you? A WS entitles themselves to do and say terrible things when they can justify others' meriting it... Seems to be a signal these issues that you do this on are near and very dear to your heart, spark a lot of fear in you and would be worth examining. One poster cannot set the character for anyone but themselves. Their opinion isn't a threat in my book. Good to know. LA
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No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief.  It seems the athiests from Internet Infidels don't agree that they don't believe there is no god!! What is an Atheist?
An atheist is a person who does not believe that any gods exist. 
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No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief. It seems the athiests from Internet Infidels don't agree that they don't believe there is no god!! What is an Atheist?
An atheist is a person who does not believe that any gods exist. Keep seeking that external validation. Why do you continue to insist that Atheists are at least a little like you?
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That doesn't make any sense, LA. Having a RIGHT to say something is not the issue, but the substance of what she said. It doesn't mean that every view is pro-American just because someone has the right to make it. Do you think I can say something anti-American and just because I have a RIGHT to say it, it changes the NATURE of my statement? Does that make any sense to you? You sound in your first quote, where you said your child's teacher was a retard, an Anti-American...very much like the monarchists who name-called and labeled those who spoke against the crown (though they weren't speaking against the crown)...you sound to me like what the pilgrims fled from...the grinding under your thumb until you say I'm right crew that was the benevolent divine-right-of-kings belief. What do you really gain in being rude to others who have different beliefs? Atheism is a choice, just as Christianity is...and we're blessed to have the choice to live our convictions aloud here in this country. Seems to me, if you keep degrading others, like McCarthy, into an elbow bendback to agree with you, then your morals don't include respect for differences. So really, what are they, these morals you claim for yourself and call everyone a relativist if they aren't the same as yours? They must include it being okay to mock others when they are wrong in your viewpoint...to me, when you justify doing so, when you wouldn't mock or be sarcastic at your spouse, to others, then you're in a wayward state of mind, aren't you? A WS entitles themselves to do and say terrible things when they can justify others' meriting it... Seems to be a signal these issues that you do this on are near and very dear to your heart, spark a lot of fear in you and would be worth examining. One poster cannot set the character for anyone but themselves. Their opinion isn't a threat in my book. Good to know. LA That was a pretty degrading post to me, LA. Equating me to McCarthy is a vicious, hateful personal attack. I hope you examine why you would engage in such behavior just after you have professed to hate such behavior? That is flagrant hypocrisy.
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You have got to be kidding. Perhaps you need ot brush up on your readings - aethism has NOTHING to do with faith. No I'm not kidding, AGG. You seem to be limiting "faith" to a faith in God. But that is not what faith IS. Faith in God is certainly one TYPE of faith, but it is not the only type of faith and followers of Atheism have their own faith, that of "no god but nature." They have faith that we all got here by some big "cosmic accident or fortuitive circumstance" and that life DID, somehow, come into being from non-life despite Science saying that it can't happen that way. Of course, they have no proof for this belief, they simply have faith that it is correct. It is precisely because of that "faith system," that they don't think a baby has intrinsic worth in, and of, itself.
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That doesn't make any sense, LA. Having a RIGHT to say something is not the issue, but the substance of what she said. It doesn't mean that every view is pro-American just because someone has the right to make it. Do you think I can say something anti-American and just because I have a RIGHT to say it, it changes the NATURE of my statement? Does that make any sense to you? You sound in your first quote, where you said your child's teacher was a retard, an Anti-American...very much like the monarchists who name-called and labeled those who spoke against the crown (though they weren't speaking against the crown)...you sound to me like what the pilgrims fled from...the grinding under your thumb until you say I'm right crew that was the benevolent divine-right-of-kings belief. What do you really gain in being rude to others who have different beliefs? Atheism is a choice, just as Christianity is...and we're blessed to have the choice to live our convictions aloud here in this country. Seems to me, if you keep degrading others, like McCarthy, into an elbow bendback to agree with you, then your morals don't include respect for differences. So really, what are they, these morals you claim for yourself and call everyone a relativist if they aren't the same as yours? They must include it being okay to mock others when they are wrong in your viewpoint...to me, when you justify doing so, when you wouldn't mock or be sarcastic at your spouse, to others, then you're in a wayward state of mind, aren't you? A WS entitles themselves to do and say terrible things when they can justify others' meriting it... Seems to be a signal these issues that you do this on are near and very dear to your heart, spark a lot of fear in you and would be worth examining. One poster cannot set the character for anyone but themselves. Their opinion isn't a threat in my book. Good to know. LA LMAO A WOLF in sheeps clothing.
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You have got to be kidding. Perhaps you need ot brush up on your readings - aethism has NOTHING to do with faith. No I'm not kidding, AGG. You seem to be limiting "faith" to a faith in God. But that is not what faith IS. Faith in God is certainly one TYPE of faith, but it is not the only type of faith and followers of Atheism have their own faith, that of "no god but nature." They have faith that we all got here by some big "cosmic accident or fortuitive circumstance" and that life DID, somehow, come into being from non-life despite Science saying that it can't happen that way. Of course, they have no proof for this belief, they simply have faith that it is correct. It is precisely because of that "faith system," that they don't think a baby has intrinsic worth in, and of, itself. Do devout Christians who "know with all of their heart" that there is a God have no faith? How can you "know" there's a God, and still require faith?
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No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief. On the contrary, Krazy, Athiests don't believe in a god, but they most certainly HAVE a belief system that IS based on faith without proof that their way of thinking is correct and all other belief systems are wrong.
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No, Atheism is not based on a belief. It is a lack of belief. On the contrary, Krazy, Athiests don't believe in a god, but they most certainly HAVE a belief system that IS based on faith without proof that their way of thinking is correct and all other belief systems are wrong. I disagree. Even if you are correct, then I say Atheists are cursed with the same flaw that the Religious have. I personally equate faith (at least among adults) with a certain level of willful ignorance.
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Krazy, did you see how the atheists described themselves?
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An atheist is a person who does not believe that any gods exist.
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Keep seeking that external validation. Why do you continue to insist that Atheists are at least a little like you?
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In other words, Krazy, your point was soundly refuted that atheism is not a belief system so now you attempt to change the subject.
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In other words, Krazy, your point was soundly refuted that atheism is not a belief system so now you attempt to change the subject. So, you don't think a person can have zero beliefs on the subject?
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I think most "Atheists" are simply using the wrong term to describe themselves. The so-called "Atheists" I know are more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApatheismThey are so disinterested in the God vs. no God argument that they really don't care what the answer is.
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