McCain couldn't care less about "Joe the Plumber". He using him to try to reach out to "Joe Six Pack".

Are they related?

In the meantime, real, licensed plumbers have an opinion about Obama:

http://www.ua.org/ua_endorses.asp

What's your point AGG???


My H is, right now, discussing starting an HVAC business with another business associate. H's associate has a Masters licence in HVAC, and a contractors license but my H does not as yet, altough he has 12 years in the field, but will at some point.

So what you are sayinf is that since my H does not have his licenses', he cannot be concerned about Obama's policies?? Even though said policies will directly effect him and any small business that is started IF Obama was to get into office???

You are only hearing what the media wants you to hear, using their normal spin on things.....

I'll give you my H's name and where we live and I BET you $1000 that you will not find a License in my H's name, nor where he even looked at purchasing/starting a business.

It's all TRUE though. Every word of it.

Game, set, and match.

Does your husband make $250,000 a year or more?

Is that a trick question??? :crosseyedcrazy:

Not in his current Full-time job, NO!!

But when/if they get this business up and running, he most likely will, the company will. One contract alone, has the potential to make gross profits over S200k, with net income of $500k.

So I guess the answer is No and Yes!

What's the point though?? We weren't talking about income etc. We were talking about Joe the plumber and some peoples comments about "He's not licensed, blah, blah, blah." which came from the media, most of which were liberal.

I wanted to make a point that you cannot believe everything the media tells you. That you cannot take bits and pieces of someone's life and spin your own story from it...to make it fit with your agenda

I agree. The McCain camapign should've put more thought into this before they ran with it.

Well, follow the bouncing ball, JoJo... He ain't licensed, he ain't got no $250K, he ain't the poster child for taxation that McCain has made him out to be.. The whole "poor Joe the Plumber" house is built out of cards... Get it, or do I need to explain it some more?

AGG

Joe helped expose Obama's economic "spread the wealth" philosophy, and for that, this country can be thankful.

The way the left has gone after a private citizen for asking a question of a Presidential candidate, is disgusting.

Explain.....NOPE. You're not even close to EXPLAINING anything...

Try SPIN it some more to make it line up with your political agenda.



Your agrument DOES NOT hold water.
1. "He ain't licensed".....So what??? What exactly does that mean?? There are lots of people in all different fields that do not have licenses'. So what...that DOES NOT stop them from starting a business with someone that does.

2. "he ain't got no $250K".........Oh I see, you and/or the liberal media friends have copies of all of his assets and knows what this man makes and has...RIGHT? Just because he didn't pay his personal property taxes doesn't mean crap.

You and every other liberal out there has always paid your bills on time no matter what RIGHT?

3. "he ain't the poster child for taxation that McCain has made him out to be"..... Again...that's your Liberal spin on it. McCain, just like Obama, took what the man said during a live debate with no forwarning of the issue and stated their intentions and since Obama did poorly on the response you and your liberal media buddies had to do everything in your power to discredit this person thus taking the spotlight OFF OBAMA'S CRAPPY PREFORMANCE

I wonder how all of you Liberals would feel if you made over that $250K mark?!?!?

Would you be so supportive of someone that wanted to spread YOUR WEALTH around? I don't think so!!

I do not make anywhere close to that mark, BUT I do not think that just because you make $250, $300k + a year, that you should be penilized for it.

Spread the wealth??? BULL.....it's called steal from the rich to give to the poor (where poor translates into...lazy people that will not work but instead want the government to take care of them)

The elderly, disabled and truly indegent are the ONLY ones that we should be spending our tax dollars on. I'm so sick of standing in the grocery store line behind some person with 4 kids under the age of 5, that's buying high dollar items with our tax money, complaining that they can't buy the dog food with the food stamps, then getting in a car that newer than what I drive.


WHERE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIRS??? THE WELFARE PROGRAMS WERE SET UP AS A "HAND UP" DURING THE DEPRESSION, NOT AS A "HAND OUT AND A WAY OF LIFE" WHICH IS WHAT IT HAS BECOME.

I wonder how my Aunt would feel if she sprouted gonads and became my uncle?

Well, it would be akin to someone bringing forward a doctor or a truck driver to talk about their trouble starting a business... I think lack of a license would be a problem.


It's not his property taxes I am talking about, JoJo. I am talking about the complaints about poor Joe the Plumber being overtaxed, where in fact he is nowhere near the bracket of interest.


I don't have any liberal friends, but speaking for myself, the answer is yes. Though I am not sure what the point here is.


No spin. I am just saying that his earnings are well below the $250,000 level that he previously claimed would cost him in higher taxes under Obama's economic plan.

AGG

"Joe the Plumber"

Yes, he's also Joe "Six Pack"

Yes, he questioned Obama Tax plan. And "Joe" didn't necessarily have some of his facts straight from the question he asked.

But they WERE legitimite questions.

"Joe" was asking about the "American Dream"

If he purchases some other guys business, and pays $285K for it, then "Joe" hopes that he can make some money off of that. He might not make as much as $285k in taxable income a year to start, but I would expect him to make $50k after purchasing the business. And "Joe" is probably making $50k turning monkey wrenchs now. So, he might be making $100k a year after the purchase.

Let me show you something: "Joes" Income tax Statistics for his Zip Code in 2001-2005

This is "Joes" zip code, and the averages of returns filed in that zip code. Put in your own zip code , and see how you compare.

Believe me, if "Joe" buys that business, and starts making $100k a year, he's probably moving out.

That's the "American Dream"

And JOE will pay more taxes as he starts to make more money. Obama's tax plan will help, maybe, or hinder, maybe, but in reality, with this economic mess that we are in, NEITHER candidate has a REAL plan for fixing it.

Obama promises that his tax increase will only go to those above $250K of income a year. That may only be 5% of the population that is affected. But some of his Health care proposals WILL increase taxes on those making WAY less than $250k. And needless to say, as soon as Prez Obama introduces his plan to Congress, that $250K number is going DOWN.

A majority of debate watchers in a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Saturday picked Obama over Republican John McCain when asked which candidate offered the best proposals to solve the country's problems, 52%-35%. They said Obama did better overall in the debate than McCain, 46%-34%.

Last I checked, winning by a 12% margin would be considered a butt kicking, not a crappy performance. Must be that fuzzy conservative logic.

Want2Stay

Ah, but you are confusing logic with spitting out talking points, which is what JoJo is doing .

AGG

It's just desperation...like a WS caught on video, and trying to claim "it wasn't me".

Or else we'll soon hear that the poll was unfairly conducted by the "Gotcha media"...

AGG

AGG:

About this line and Licensing:


Most licenses issued by the government have no bearing on your qualifications and/or skills. Most are stictly revenue raisers.

And "plumbers" or "Master" Plumbers licenses can be gotten by passing a test sometime in the past, and then funding the renewal each year.

I'm a CPA. I passed the test. I pay my license fee. But anybody can be an "accountant" or call themselves a "CPA". Many others are referenced that way when they come to my office the first time and I correct a misunderstandong that they have... "my CPA said" or "my CPA did" but that person is UN-licensed. Doesn't mean they can't do a good job for you, but they haven't passed the test.

Same with old "Joe". HE might NOT be licensed, but he could be working for someone who is. I would encourge "Joe" to get his license, regardless. Doens't mean he can't ask questions of these candidates.

No one brought Joe forward.

Obama went to JOE'S NEIGHBORHOOD and to JOE'S HOME.