|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,345
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,345 |
I cannot predict who will win the presidential campaign, but I already know who will lose big: all women. I agree. What they did to Ferraro and Hillary they are now seeing done to Palin. It is truly sad, and it makes me wonder why we remain one of the few "equality oriented" countries that still cannot elect a woman to a high office. Germany, England, Israel can all do it, and do it without batting an eye. Yet here a female seems to become a target of sorts. I wonder if it is related to constant media/entertainment portrayal of women as little more than sex objects (think "cheerleaders"). You can see it discussed the minute a woman runs for high office - her looks, her pantsuits, gimme a break... No one ever questioned Margaret Thatcher's or Golda Meir's pantsuits, I can tell you that...:) AGG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 35,996
Member
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 35,996 |
I personally do not see why Women's groups across the country aren't standing up in outrage about this. NOW (supposed women's right's group, National Organization for Women) will not stand up against sexist abuse directed towards Palin, because Palin is anti-abortion and anti-same-sex-marriage. If a female politician opposes the "accepted" NOW political positions, she is fair game according to NOW.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015 |
I personally do not see why Women's groups across the country aren't standing up in outrage about this. NOW (supposed women's right's group, National Organization for Women) will not stand up against sexist abuse directed towards Palin, because Palin is anti-abortion and anti-same-sex-marriage. If a female politician opposes the "accepted" NOW political positions, she is fair game according to NOW. Precisely Pep. That is why they should be HONEST and change their name to the "National Association of Far Left Liberal Women and Abortion Advocates." NAFLLWAA. "Nafilwaaaaaaaa" phonetically.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 614
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 614 |
I'm not denying anything.....Unlike you though, I'm not taking the MSM word on ANYTHING, especially anything political. If they say it's raining, I'm going outside to verify for myself before I believe any of them. Do your own research on non-biased websites and see how they all spin everything to suit their own agenda's. Thanks...but I'll have no part of that  Wrong! I spend more time researching than you could possibly imagine. FoxNoise, Bill O'Hypocrite, Sean Hannity are all sites I frequent every day along with the "MSM" sites the conservatives vilify. So my opinion is BASED on taking in all forms of reporting where yours obviously is not. So since you do believe every word that they say, or better yet, every bad thing the MSM says about McCain or Palin, you must not think that there's anything wrong with the things said about Palin in the article.... Wrong again...you're batting 1000! Of course I find some of the things that are being reported about Palin as unfair criticisms, but there are plenty of concerns that are legitimate. Much of the negative press Palin has received was due to the McCain campaign's handling of her. It created a vacuum for stories regarding her selection, beliefs and all kinds of irrelevant dribble has been reported. The sad fact is that there are sectors of our country that do still hold these prejudices. Whether it be Palin's gender or Obama's race. Nice try, but I am not one of those people. Want2Stay
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 558
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 558 |
I spend more time researching than you could possibly imagine. FoxNoise, Bill O'Hypocrite, Sean Hannity are all sites I frequent every day along with the "MSM" sites the conservatives vilify. So my opinion is BASED on taking in all forms of reporting where yours obviously is not. Funny that you only have something bad to say about Fox News (What about Alan Combs? I see you left him out of your rant about Fox) and those on it, but nothing bad to say about CNN and the others. Watching 6 news outlets does not give you an unbiased opinion. Of course I find some of the things that are being reported about Palin as unfair criticisms, but there are plenty of concerns that are legitimate. That is TOO funny .....  "Unfair Criticisms"??? Calling her a C***T and questioning the paternity of her baby are "Unfair Criticisms"??? NO they're much worse than Unfair! Would it be just "Unfair" if the same was being said about Michelle Obama???? I don't think so.
Me46 FWH42 Married 19 yrs EA 4/07 - 4/08 (Confirmed by polygraph that it had not gone PA) Dday1 4/13/08 Dday2 8/8/08 S26 S16 D10 Trying to Recover
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834 |
Medc:
This is heading for the lock-fest, but hopefully we can talk some more before it happens.
The writers point is VALID.
Do I think that Palin is the brightest person on the ticket? No. Could she have used a little more vetting and seasoning before being nominated? Yes.
Should she be ON the ticket? Yes. She filled in all the holes politcally that McCain needed to fill. Unfortunatly, like Dan Quayle, who was painted as "stupid" from the start, so has Palin. (BTW, in that clip about Quayle spelling "potato" wrong, the card HE HAD been given by the TEACHER had "potatoe" WITH the "E" on it.)
She's not stupid. She isn't overly experienced about things outside of Alaska. Well DUH. 90% of US Citizens probably have never crossed a national border. And if you exclude those who traveled for the military, then probably that number rises to 95%. She has shown a capacity to learn. She has moved fast even in the short time she has been on the public stage.
Should Hillary been on the ticket or offered the VP Slot? No. Her negatives were way to high. Had she WON the nomination, she could have easily selected Obama as her running mate. But Obama ran on "change" and one of those changes was NOT having a Clinton or a Bush in one of the top two spots since 1980. Obama had MANY democratic women that he could have chosen, but just like McCain, he made a "political" choice. Thats well within every Nominees right.
And Palin deserves our respect. She might have a terrific future in the Republican party. She might be able to parlay this into a lifetime of punditry, and/or the Senate.
And, YES, now come the "whispers" because the McCain campaign seems to be heading towards defeat. Many "pundits" and "campaign workers" start whispering to the press in order to state "what is going wrong, and how I could have won it" They are trying to build creditbility with the press on the backs of the folks who are really going to DO the work. And the press can't sell a newspaper or TV ad time if the lead is: "Sunshine in the McCain camp!" So, only the negative stuff gets published. Man bites dog, as they like to say.
I just like the fact that every four years, we go thru this, and we CAN end up with someone else. And nobody dies during the process.
LG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 35,996
Member
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 35,996 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 558
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 558 |
Effigy of Palin Hanging by Noose is Halloween Fun, Owner Says. The owner of a home that has a mannequin dressed like the Republican vice presidential candidate and hanging by a rope says it's just a "scary" Halloween decoration. The latest on what the Left see's as "Fair" against Palin. Wonder what would happen if I got a 'dummy' and dressed it up to look like Obama and hung it in my front yard and said it was just Halloween fun??? I'd have a riot on my hands, thats what would happen.... 
Me46 FWH42 Married 19 yrs EA 4/07 - 4/08 (Confirmed by polygraph that it had not gone PA) Dday1 4/13/08 Dday2 8/8/08 S26 S16 D10 Trying to Recover
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,145
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,145 |
I personally do not see why Women's groups across the country aren't standing up in outrage about this. I believe that it has to do with the political party first mentality. I agree. It's absolutely unbelievable to me that it's apparently ok with so many people that Mrs. Palin, a governor of one of our states, is being treated with such disrespect and loathing.  I find it disgusting. Lori
VERY HAPPY! FBS/FWS; 47yo; M-29 yrs.; DS-26,DD-21; our affairs: 1990-'96
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 614
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 614 |
Effigy of Palin Hanging by Noose is Halloween Fun, Owner Says. The owner of a home that has a mannequin dressed like the Republican vice presidential candidate and hanging by a rope says it's just a "scary" Halloween decoration. The latest on what the Left see's as "Fair" against Palin. Wonder what would happen if I got a 'dummy' and dressed it up to look like Obama and hung it in my front yard and said it was just Halloween fun??? I'd have a riot on my hands, thats what would happen....  You can pretend that there aren't equally offensive portrayals of Obama all you want. Racist Ohioan Mike Lunsford Hangs Obama Effigy from NooseTrying to claim the moral high ground for the right is disingenuous. There are extremists on both sides of the fence.  ETA: Breaking News: ATF says it disrupted skinhead plot in Tenn., Ark. to assassinate Obama So if you can't win the election with smear politics, just have him killed instead. Want2Stay
Last edited by Want2Stay; 10/27/08 03:25 PM. Reason: Stupid is as stupid does...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
STOP your debating on my thread. If you can't do so, stop posting here.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,862
Member
|
Member
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,862 |
I already know who will lose big: all women. I agree w/ the author too, MEDC. What is so horrible... so offensive about Sarah Palin that she deserves the treatment this author has cited? ATF says it disrupted skinhead plot in Tenn., Ark. to assassinate Obama I HATE domestic terrorists. I hope they don't get off on a technicality, and become college professors so they can pal around w/ politicians.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,717
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,717 |
So if you can't win the election with smear politics, just have him killed instead. I would not be surprised to see words similar to yours as a headline in any MSM newspaper or website. Fortunately, two moronic skinheads with a death wish does not a right wing conspiracy make. re:article I don't think Palin has endured any more trash talk than the other three knuckleheads on the ballots. McCains age. Obabmas race. Palins gender. Bidens blunders. MSM has stripped politicians of any ounce of deserving respect they might have ever had. They all four know that and each of them chose their path anyway.
ba109
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,345
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,345 |
Having reread the article, I do disagree with the notion that Sarah Palin "deserves our respect". I believe that respect is earned, and she has done little to earn my respect. That does not justify any misogynous attacks, but most of the attacks are a result of her behavior, not her gender.
I suspect Kay Bailey Hutchinson would not have been received with this kind of animosity. But Palin was picked as a lightning rod, and proceeded to exercise that role over the past few weeks - I am not surprised that the lightning rod got hit by lightning.
AGG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834
Member
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,834 |
AGG:
Yes, SHE does deserve our respect. Considereing WHERE she is right now, she deserves ALL the respect.
We can ALL state that person X or Person Y may have been better.
But Gov. Palin was chosen. And if she is elected, she is called the Vice-President. Just like Joe.
I might not agree with some of the politics of Joe or Sarah. But I will respect that they have BOTH achieved something that only 50 other people have ever achieved.
Beat her up on her politics. Laugh when Tina Fey mocks her so well on "SNL". But leave it at that.
She has DONE MUCH to earn your respect. Just like Bill & Hill, Kay, Joe and Barack. All have my respect. I might dislike, even HATE some of thier politics. But respect? Yeah. They get that from me.
LG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,025
Member
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,025 |
But the really big attack on women occurred when John McCain selected only the second woman in history to be on a major-party ticket. He chose a governor of a state critical to our energy crisis. She is a very popular governor with an 80-percent approval rate. She was elected on her own merit without previous political ties. She is her own political creation, not the wife, daughter, sister or mistress of a politician. This article is factually inaccurate. As of the date of this article, Sarah Palin's approval rating in Alaska was 68%. Still high, but nothing extraordinary. Besides, how hard is it (for a male or female Governor) to be popular in a state that gets $1.84 back for every dollar it sends in as federal taxes, where individuals pay no state income tax and, in fact, get checks for over about $1200 each from the state. If I lived in Alaska, I'd love Government too. It's quite socialist up there (redistributing the Oil Industry wealth to the people). Why do the feds send so much money to Alaska? Could it be the felon Republican Senator Stevens? or maybe it's just a federal bribe to suppress John Palin and his secessionist buddies? On top of oil price retreat, I wonder if her popularity will withstand the federal cuts Alaskans will certainly be enduring in the next few years as Democrats will surely cut the wasteful essentially welfare handouts & pork Alaska's is so used to receiving. Like Governor Granholm here in Michigan, she really has no control over the economy and the loss of political influence in Washington, but she'll be blamed for it anyway and it will have nothing to do with her gender. In two years, I'll be surprised if she is able to retain her Governors seat. To maintain her national "rising star" status, I bet she doesn't even risk it. She'll withdraw from Alaska in favor of some national role in the Republican party to avoid losing face in Alaska. Mr. Wondering p.s. - This makes sense to me...but it's not my party so I'll leave it to Republicans to discuss but I heard that the fractures in the McCain/Palin camp (the "unnamed sources" leaking information to the press) were former Romney aides (now working within the McCain/Palin camps) attempting to stir the pot and marginalize Sarah Palin's chances of getting the nomination in 2012 over their preferred candidate Romney. These Romney supporters WANT to make it Sarah's fault by indicating/leaking that she's "gone rogue".
FBH(me)-51 FWW-49 (MrsWondering) DD19 DS 22 Dday-2005-Recovered
"agree to disagree" = Used when one wants to reject the objective reality of the situation and hopefully replace it with their own.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044
Member
|
Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,044 |
Please keep your lies and innuendos (and political rhetoric) off this thread. This was to comment on the article...not to display your distorted conspiracy theories.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9,015 |
Medc - these "conspiracy theories" are typical, you know.
Many who are of this biased mindset would also not hesitate to attempt to bring some sort of legal action against someone who disgreed with them, if they had the "authority" to do so.
Not at all unlike the congressional "witch hunts" the Democrats are engaging in, while give folks like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd a "free pass" simply because they are members of the same "gang."
As far as the "popularity issue" goes, the article speaks to that issue too. If you aren't "one of the gang" your under attack no matter what your "popularity rating" is.
Ever wonder why the "approval rating" of Congress (run by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi) is so low as to be abyssmal, yet it RARELY gets brought up? It is far lower than even good old George Bush, but it's "okey dokey" with the Dems.
If you want a REAL "conspiracy," consider the "Trifecta" of Obama/Reid/Pelosi, with Biden waiting in the wings for whenever he is need to complete the "Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse" for the USA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,736
Member
|
Member
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,736 |
But the really big attack on women occurred when John McCain selected only the second woman in history to be on a major-party ticket. He chose a governor of a state critical to our energy crisis. She is a very popular governor with an 80-percent approval rate. She was elected on her own merit without previous political ties. She is her own political creation, not the wife, daughter, sister or mistress of a politician. This article is factually inaccurate. As of the date of this article, Sarah Palin's approval rating in Alaska was 68%. Still high, but nothing extraordinary. Higher than anyone else in the campaign. Consider that congress is ranked below 20% if I recall correctly. But yeah, if the checks keep coming, folks will be happy. I do understand that and agree. Besides, how hard is it (for a male or female Governor) to be popular in a state that gets $1.84 back for every dollar it sends in as federal taxes, where individuals pay no state income tax and, in fact, get checks for over about $1200 each from the state. If I lived in Alaska, I'd love Government too. It's quite socialist up there (redistributing the Oil Industry wealth to the people). And there lies the problem. Money goes to DC from all states to be redistributed by 535 senators and representatives. The problem is neither party is willing to say, stop sending the money here, keep it there and you do with it what you deem to be the best. So in my opinion, president doesn't mean much save for the appointment of the federal judiciary. The real power (and problem) is in the house and senate. It's the legislative branch, not the executive that's the problem, and frankly I'm not voting for anyone who voted FOR the 700billion bailout. So neither Obama, nor McCain get my vote this year. There is little difference between the two. I've typically been Republican, but am disappointed that a Republican Congress and Republican President failed to reign in spending. I like the idea of someone from the outside taking over, in both the Congress and in the White House, but folks at all levels want the checks to keep coming in, so we have token changes every so often. So I think folks like the idea of someone like Palin, who is an outsider getting a chance. They may not like the specifics, and there is much to dislike and/or be concerned about as well. Frankly, my vote doesn't really matter. I'm in IL, so Obama has a lock here due to the Chicago political machine. Those of us downstate can send Republican representatives for our districts, but have little influence over where our electorial votes go. So I'm going to vote libertarian since a Republican vote would likely do little to change things. My congressman is a Democrat, a pro-life Democrat who voted AGAINST the bailout, so I'll vote for him again. I think he's only Democrat because a Republican would have a hard time getting elected in this district. But for Senate, Durbin is not getting my vote either. He'll likely win anyway, but he also voted for the bailout, so he will not get my vote based on that. Frankly, I wish everyone would vote AGAINST anyone who voted for the billions in bailout money. It's just more of the same. Where is the change in that. Getting back to the topic. I think the accomplishments of our elected officials deserve respect. It's a tough job I'm sure, trying to please everyone and make sound decisions. It's like we learned in the military, when one salutes, you are respecting the rank, not necessarily the person. You may disagree with that person, but you swore allegiance to the President, the commander in chief, and he submitted that officers name to congress for his/her commission, so if you are keeping your oath of enlistment or commissioning, you respect the rank worn and earned by that officer. Same for our elected officials. They won the job, hopefully fair and square. We may not agree with them. We may (are likely) smarter than they are. Yet they are the ones who ran for office and won, so they earn some level of respect for getting the job. We may not agree with their decisions. The way to deal with that is to vote against them when the time comes. Not to smear them, call them names, etc. Or better yet, run for that office if you think you can do a better job. Why do the feds send so much money to Alaska? Could it be the felon Republican Senator Stevens? or maybe it's just a federal bribe to suppress John Palin and his secessionist buddies?
On top of oil price retreat, I wonder if her popularity will withstand the federal cuts Alaskans will certainly be enduring in the next few years as Democrats will surely cut the wasteful essentially welfare handouts & pork Alaska's is so used to receiving. Like Governor Granholm here in Michigan, she really has no control over the economy and the loss of political influence in Washington, but she'll be blamed for it anyway and it will have nothing to do with her gender.
In two years, I'll be surprised if she is able to retain her Governors seat. To maintain her national "rising star" status, I bet she doesn't even risk it. She'll withdraw from Alaska in favor of some national role in the Republican party to avoid losing face in Alaska.
Mr. Wondering
p.s. - This makes sense to me...but it's not my party so I'll leave it to Republicans to discuss but I heard that the fractures in the McCain/Palin camp (the "unnamed sources" leaking information to the press) were former Romney aides (now working within the McCain/Palin camps) attempting to stir the pot and marginalize Sarah Palin's chances of getting the nomination in 2012 over their preferred candidate Romney. These Romney supporters WANT to make it Sarah's fault by indicating/leaking that she's "gone rogue".
|
|
|
Moderated by Ariel, BerlinMB, Denali, Fordude, IrishGreen, MBeliever, MBSync, McLovin, Mizar, PhoenixMB, Toujours
0 members (),
431
guests, and
117
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums67
Topics133,625
Posts2,323,524
Members72,038
|
Most Online6,102 Jul 3rd, 2025
|
|
|
|