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need help today!!!!
I have some email evidence that they may be getting together today after work while the OMW is returning from a trip out of town. She is scheduled to get home at 7 PM. I exposed the affair to the OMW this morning, and we are going to talk more this afternoon at 3. I have not told her about everything i know yet because my WW is still unaware that I figured out her new email password and I don't want to risk the OMW spilling the beans and telling her H. But, in light of this new evidence about their possible meeting tonight, should i risk it and tell the OMW everything I know to make sure she is home to break it up. If tonight happens, it will be beginning of the physical affair, so far it has just been EA. Their emails consist of daring each other to take the next step. I would really like to prevent this from happening, but not sure iw the risk is worth it.
On the same note, I exposed the affair to my WW's sister and mother today. I also did not share with them the fact that i still have email access. Her mother is traveling 5 hours to come confront my WW tonight. I expect my WW will tell her what she told me, that everything is over. Should I arm my mother-in-law with all the details so she isn't fooled and the expense of revealing my spy techniques?
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alarrson, I would tell the OMW about the meeting tonight but don't tell her HOW you know. Give her all the details. Allude to her that you are "having them watched" so she will pass this info onto the OM.
As far as your MIL, give her old emails and tell her that you have PROOF that they were planning on meeting today. Try to avoid it, but it is better to give her the proof and end all doubt and risk your source.
And also, saying the marriage is over is not an excuse for adultery. You are still married.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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btw, great job on exposing! How did you conversation with the OMW go? p.s. you might want to notify the mods to split off these posts for you and move to your own thread over on General Questions 11. We have highjacked ericgolfers thread. 
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MelodyLane,
Thanks for all the encouragement.
When I said that I expect my WW to tell my MIL that everything is over I was referring to the A, not our marriage. When I bring it up, she says she is very committed to working things out and staying together.
My conversation with the OMW was ok. She sounded like she didn't believe me at first, but then she said she could tell i was telling the truth by the sound in my voice. She couldn't talk much this morning and said she would call back at 3. I asked her not to call her H until I could explain more.
She called me around 11:30 and said that she had contacted her H and he admitted that something had been going on.
A little after that I got a text wessage from WW that said "F**k you, you are an a**hole" so, i guess the cat is officially out of the bag
Her mother is driving into town this afternoon, but won't get here until 7. WW does not know I told her yet. I am now afraid that WW is now so mad at me that she won't come home tonight. we'll see i guess
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Alarrson, Great job on exposing. Do you know where they are meeting tonight? If you do, have all your exposure targets congregate at that location. If its hotel, I can't think of anything better than a knock on the door with MIL entering. Priceless.
Definitely do everything you can to prevent this affair from going physical. Personally, at this point with it about to go physical, I would take a page out of MGolfer1971's book. Tell your wife that she WILL be home tonight or you will take this fight to the next level (i.e. Going to OM's superior about their affair, but don't tell her specifics). Go to any means necessary to prevent them from having sex. Infidelity is hard enough to recover from without the affair having been physical.
I do want to take this moment to reiterate that you should think long and hard about whether you want to salvage this marriage. Its my opinion that people never really get over being cheated on. They just learn to live with it and build a different sort of marriage. You have been married roughly 3 months, and your wife is doing this. Your ENTIRE marriage will exist under the shadow of her adultery. There ARE good women out there, and you are quite young still. You have plenty of time to find one of them.
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ex-WW had 2 PAs in first 2 years. Buh-bye. Divorce finalized: 1/28/09 Now just living and loving again.
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Just expect her to be furious and you won't be caught by surprise. She will be angry for a good reason, though, you interfered with her affair. It will be important for your marriage for you to go for the brass ring while the getting is good. Often freaked out betrayed spouses make the mistake of SETTLING for DOOMED DEALS while under duress. What I mean is that she might tell you the affair is over but she will continue to work with him and just have "professional contact." DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO GIVE INTO THIS DEAL. It will mean the slow death of your marriage. She will NEVER WITHDRAW until she ends all contact, and you will be facing years of on again, off again affair because she will be in a state of perpetual withdrawal. She will be triggered every time she sees him. You will just be negotiating away your marriage if you do. Stick to your guns and tell her this is hopeless unless one of them LEAVES THEIR position. That is the only way your marriage will ever recover, alarrson. I will link you to an article written by Dr. Willard Harley, a clinical psychologist with 35 years exp saving marriages. I would also suggest that you email the director of Human Resources and their supervisors TODAY while you have them on the ropes. Your W is going to be furious, might as well get your moneys worth and just increase your effectiveness. Requirements for Recovery from an Affair Never see or communicate with a former lover Once an affair is first revealed, whether it's discovered or admitted, the victimized spouse is usually in a state of shock. The first reaction is usually panic, but it's quickly followed by anger. Divorce and sometimes even murder are contemplated. But after some time passes (usually about three weeks), most couples decide that they will try to pull together and save their marriage.
The one having an affair is in no position to bargain, but he or she usually tries anyway. The bargaining effort usually boils down to somehow keeping the lover in the loop. You'd think that the unfaithful spouse would be so aware of his or her weaknesses, and so aware of the pain inflicted, that every effort would be made to avoid further contact with the lover as an act of thoughtfulness to the stunned spouse. But instead, the unfaithful spouse argues that the relationship was "only sexual" or was "emotional but not sexual" or some other peculiar description to prove that continued contact with the lover would be okay.
Most victimized spouses intuitively understand that all contact with a lover must end for life. Permanent separation not only helps prevent a renewal of the affair, but it is also a crucial gesture of consideration to someone who has been through hell. What victimized spouse would ever want to know that his or her spouse is seeing or communicating with a former lover at work or in some other activity?
In spite of career sacrifices, friendships, and issues relating to children's schooling, I am adamant in recommending that there be no contact with a former lover for life. For many, that means a move to another state. But to do otherwise fails to recognize the nature of addiction and its cure.
Look at M.S.'s husband. Here he is, thousands of miles from his lover, and yet he still feels compelled to call her. Can you imagine the trouble M.S. would have had separating them if they had not moved? Their move was the best thing that could have happened to their marriage because it not only revealed the affair, but it also set up the conditions that would make ending it possible -- total separation.
We don't know if R.J. still sees his lover, but he says he has broken off all contact. In many cases where a person is still in town, that's hard to prove. But one thing's for sure, if he ever does see his lover, it will put him in a state of perpetual withdrawal from his addiction, and make the resolution of his marriage essentially impossible. In fact, one of the reasons he is not recovering after three months of separation may be that he is not being truthful about the separation.
How should an unfaithful spouse tell his lover that their relationship is over? If left to their own devices, many would take a Caribbean cruise to say their final good-byes. Obviously, that will not do. In fact, I recommend that the final good-bye be in the form of a letter, and not in person or even by telephone.
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I do want to take this moment to reiterate that you should think long and hard about whether you want to salvage this marriage. it may be the case that we can't save our marriage, I acknowldge that, but at this point, having been less than a week since D-day, I am not yet ready to give up on her. I do not know where they would be meeting tonight if in fact they are still considering it. With the A exposed to the OMW, i doubt they will go through with it, they already seemed very hesitant from their emails, but who knows, her anger could drive her to go ahead with it. I have considered driving to where she works, and keeping an eye on her car for the rest of the day, but don't kow how feasible that is, she is always moving between buildings
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As melody said, expose at work today before the day closes. Either way you must expose at work if their closed just send them emails if you can get the HR and other email addreses from their website.
Then follow up tomorrow with work place.
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You've been M'd all of three months, and already your WW is breaking the vows she made to you. Vows that are supposed to last for a lifetime.
My view: Walk away from this, and spare yourself from years of heartache trying to make a relationship work with a woman that has no respect for you or for her own integrity.
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Reading this thread, I just think of that movie entitled Failure to launch.
With no children in the mix, and this happening so early in the marriage, and quite possibly during your lengthy courtship, (which I encourage investigating) I think I would save myself any further heartache and cut my losses as well.
If you were my son, I'd tell you to divorce her and start fresh in a year or two with someone else. I wouldn't want a daughter-in-law who could hurt my son like that, and I certainly wouldn't want her to be the mother of my grandchildren. That's just me, coming from a 45-year-old lady.
Listen...acclimating to marriage is hard enough. Acclimating to marriage with broken vows so early on and all trust destroyed...I don't see it going well.
It's unfortunate that you found out now after the expense of a wedding, etc., but fortunate that you know before any innocent children come of it.
What I would encourage you to do though...is hang out here after all the dust settles and really learn how to be a great partner because next time around, you'll be better equipped to spot someone who is a better match and you can both get on board with the MB principles way before you marry and really optimize your prospects of a happier relationship.
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alarrson, I hope you carefully consider what Solee and MIM said to you, because there is much wisdom in their posts. A marriage that starts off like this does not have a healthy future. I would suggest that you made a bad choice with this woman. This is unlike a marriage that has good history and children and a marriage.
Your history, because it was living together, actually works against you, not for you. Please consider what kind of a future if your marriage is in such a mess after only a few short months.
If you were my son, I would advise you to cut your losses before you get more entrenched with children and a mortgage.
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Also something to think about is what sort of support you think you'll be able to elicit from your family with regards to a reconciliation?
Sooly
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Thanks everyone for their concern, but I love my wife too much to give up on her yet and just leave. Since exposure on 11/3, she had been very angry at me, barely speaking to me when she gets home at night. This is normal for her when she is upset, so I'm not too worried. Every day has been a little better than the previous. Since monday there has been no evidence of contact with the OM, and I am doing my best to execute plan A. But, I find plan A a difficult balancing act of being the person my WW fell in love with, while at the same time not letting her off the hook for what she has done. I feel like if i am too nice she will not respect me, but if I remain outwardly angry at her, I will just drive her away. Any advice? Also something to think about is what sort of support you think you'll be able to elicit from your family with regards to a reconciliation? Telling my family at this point would probably do more harm than good. My mother would probably never be able to forgive WW even if we are able to recover from this. Plus, over the past 7 years, I have become very close with WW's mother and sisters. WW's parents got divorced over an A, so they have all delt with this before.
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But, I find plan A a difficult balancing act of being the person my WW fell in love with, while at the same time not letting her off the hook for what she has done. I feel like if i am too nice she will not respect me, but if I remain outwardly angry at her, I will just drive her away. Any advice? alarrson, you don't want to be phony nice, but you want to be civil and kind to her. You do not want to engage in any lovebusters. And keep in mind this is not your wife. This is an alien who is in an addictive affair. Since monday there has been no evidence of contact with the OM, Doesn't she see him at school every day? alarrason, did you notify the school? You know, they are at LEGAL RISK over the OM's actions and every right to know. Exposing at work puts pressure on the affairees to LEAVE their job. And there will be no recovery if she sees him at school every day. That is like expecting an alcoholic to sober up but sending him the bar every day giving him beer instead of whiskey. Ain't gonna work..
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Doesn't she see him at school every day? They don't work together right now. The way the residency program is set up, WW alternates between 2 halves of the department, and right now, she is not on his side of the dept. WW can choose to stay where she currently is and never go back to his half for the remaineder of the program (21 months left). If she doesn't choose that, then exposure to the school is probably my only option, but I am not there yet. I am trying to get her family to help me pressure her to leave the school entirely before I have to resort to ruining her career. She's worked really hard to be where she is at, and if that went away, I am afraid that she will feel more lost than she does now, and then I'll never have a chance to win her back.
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alarrson, when you say they wouldn't be working together, wouldn't they still be working at the SAME PLACE? am trying to get her family to help me pressure her to leave the school entirely before I have to resort to ruining her career. Just keep in mind that this is your ultimate responsibility. Its good if they help you in this, but this is your marriage so the onus falls on you to achieve this. And if her career is ruined, it will because of her choices, not because of your exposure, alarrson. Have you heard back from the OMW? What is happening on her end?
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you're right, they would be working in the same place, not same building, but close enough.
I do realize this is my responsibility, and if they are not able to help, then i know what i have to do.
Haven't heard back from the OMW since monday. Latest i heard was was the OM admitted the A and she thanked me for informing her. She gave me her email address if i wanted to send her some the evidence, but she said she would rather not see it. After that she seemed pretty eager to get off the phone. I emailed her a like to the infidelity articles on this site, but haven't heard anything back yet. It seems like she wants me to leave her alone.
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"residency program"
Makes it sound if WW is at a school. If so WW just will have to transfer to a new school/program.
Just becaue they are in different buildings does not mean they can not continue the affair. There is no way that you can verify work place NC. There is also no way that you can trust your WW when she is to claim NC at work.
Ask WW how are you to verify NC at work. Tell are you to quit your job to watch her at work.
WW or OM has to leave this job. This is why you must expose at work. Tell HR, the president, and the board.
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alarson,
I think it may be a good idea to discuss this with your parents now. You say they will never forgive your WW, if that is the case are you going to carry this secret with you forever? Also your parents may have some wisdom to bring to you in this situation, they have lived alot more life than you have.
As a parent, if you were my child I would be delivering the D filings to you by hand. You have only been married a few months and this is happening already.
Me 42 BS Wife 41 FWW (exwife now) Divorced 10/14/2008 S 21 D 18 D 16 S, S 13 (twins) Grandson 8 months
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A8,
I would wonder if you could get and annulment since it is so close to your wedding date. One of the reasons for annument listed on the web is
"You or your spouse were fraudulently induced into entering the marriage. Fraud may include the concealment of an important fact, such as permanent impotence or sterility, a criminal history, or infection with a sexually transmitted disease."
There are other reasons but I thought you might have grounds based on that criteria.
Anyone out there have experience with annuments? Are they cheaper or easier than divorces.
God Bless NJ
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