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Tabby1 #2161595 11/20/08 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tabby1
I can tell you as a smoker who has quit so many times I've lost count, this is NOTHING like how a former smoker quits.
The withdrawal fades, as do the wistful thoughts until contact is broken. Contact can even be like second hand smoke - not actual contact but hearing a rumour about the guy. Then, like the second hand exsmoker, you're inhaling deeply pretending you can control it when you are already out of control.

I am an ex-smoker. I successfully quit over 5 years ago. I smoked from the age of 13 up until I was 22. I still think about it, how it made me feel. Why did I do it in the first place, etc. I can analyze my own actions and feelings without having to go back and physically experience them again. I know it was unhealthy for me, and I made a choice. It did not take me many times to quit, but once. I did not have the help of other influences like the patch or gum. I did it on my own. Just as I have healed from that addiction, I will heal from this. I don't feel that this was an addiction, what I felt was real. I am not a bad person, but I have made some bad decisions.

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Originally Posted by novembergirl
The thing is, I don't Want to go back to my H. He does not know of the Affair,

I didn't make any mistake. You emotionally raped another human being and refuse to admit it to him.


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You seem like you have the need to take out some aggression, why not find the real reason you are so angry at the world?


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Originally Posted by novembergirl
You seem like you have the need to take out some aggression, why not find the real reason you are so angry at the world?

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Why are you screwing with children's lives?

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I'm not divorcing or divorced, but...

Oh, forget it. I have nothing constructive to say. Only hate and anger will spew forth.

False alarm. Carry on.


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NG,
I am short on time but wanted to say you are getting excellent advice here.

If any poster's style or content offends you, you can put them on ignore. Click their name in one of their posts, then go to their profile, and there will be a place to click so that you ignore them. You won't see their posts any more - just their name and where the post would be is some text that says "You have this person on ignore."

It's a very useful tool when emotions run high and feelings are raw.

I do encourage you, however, to pause and consider WHY you are putting a person on ignore. Is it because they are beating you up and taking out their baggage and resentments and hurts on you? Or is it because they are telling you things about yourself that are painful for you to hear?

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Originally Posted by coachswife
I'm sure you feel that OM has nothing to do with your decision to end your marriage??? I felt like that too in the fog. See, this is not a "new" or "special" situation.
No, I knew he was why I left my H. In the beginning I told myself it was not, but I knew it was on the inside. I left my H almost right at the same time, not just so I could be with the om, but so I didn't have to look my H in the eye. I wanted to believe that we could make it work with the OM's W and kids, a lot of people have been making it work the best they can for a long time now. So I thought we could too.

Originally Posted by coachswife
You really need to get to the real reason you cheated.This is more about you than it really is about him and his actions.
I think I did this because I felt I was with him too young. I didn't experiance life on my own. I started resenting everything he made me do, everything he did/didn't want, etc. I started wondering what would it be like if I was not with him. I know that is not the whole reason, I am still working on that. But coming to terms is going to be a long process, one that I don't think should be rushed.



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Originally Posted by novembergirl
Regardless if we have been seeing each other or not, W is harrassing both me and OM. That just shows me she is vindictive, and is not thinking about the best interest of her children. She is using them in any way possible to hurt him but only ends up hurting them. That is going to ruin them more than him leaving her. If I am incorrect, I appoligize. It does not make the situation any better, but it can be delt with a whole lot differently.

That's rich, she's hurting her children?

It's got nothing to do with the fact that you *********edit*******
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Originally Posted by turtlehead
NG,
Is it because they are beating you up and taking out their baggage and resentments and hurts on you? Or is it because they are telling you things about yourself that are painful for you to hear?
Thank you for the advice turtlehead, It very much seems like the former. I know what I did wrong, and am working on making it right. Just because they feel they can drag me down does not mean they will. Everything in here is painful to hear. It is also very painful to tell. Thank you for your support.


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Originally Posted by novembergirl
Originally Posted by turtlehead
NG,
Is it because they are beating you up and taking out their baggage and resentments and hurts on you? Or is it because they are telling you things about yourself that are painful for you to hear?
Thank you for the advice turtlehead, It very much seems like the former. I know what I did wrong, and am working on making it right. Just because they feel they can drag me down does not mean they will. Everything in here is painful to hear. It is also very painful to tell. Thank you for your support.

rotflmao

I'm recovered. I couldn't be happier.

You however are***edit***little children and their mom who is trying to protect her family.

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NG:

If you are going to go the right way, it has been recommended that you do a number of things.

The other WW's who showed up here, and STAYED, did those things.

They didn't do them overnight either.

But they DID THEM.

And recovered thier marriages. Some here, may not have recovered thier marriages. We have a couple of those too.

But they DID THEM.

Someone told you about the ignore function. Please use for those that are truly offensive to you.

Others are merely trying to get you to do the right thing. And when you do, the most evil of the posting will stop.

Because you did the RIGHT THING.

And then you can become a FWW. Meaning Former. And then you can offer advice to the WW's who come here later and guide them back to were they should be.

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NG, have you committed to yourself to having no contact with OM?

Do you realize that no matter what happens to your marriage, your adulterous relationship will never be something that brings peace and joy in your life?

How many children do you have and how old are they? How much time are you spending with them?





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Thanks again, so where should I go from here? I'm scared to talk to my H. I don't know if I can yet


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Originally Posted by sexymamabear
How many children do you have and how old are they?
I don't have any, which was one of my reasons for leaving my H. I wanted, he didn't...


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Where you are on the time line of your affair makes me understand your lack of concern for the OMW and their COM, children of the marriage.

You have not shown the appropriate amount of remorse for the damage you have done to the OM's family.

One day you will realize that you have only been me, me, me, me... in your post's here.

Plus you never answered a previous question that I asked you.
What what you have to say if you were the BW with COM?

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I agree about the ignore function NG. You should ignore all the posters who mollycoddle you while you screw up those poor little childrens lives.

Maybe if you ever have children you will realize the damage you are wreaking on these kids!

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In the book Private Lies by Dr. Frank Pittman, he has a very good summary of reasons why second marriages between persons involved in an affair very seldom succeed.

Generally he notes that disasters are only inevitable when people use romance to jump from marriage to marriage without a rest stop between. He says that there is something inherently doomed in those marriages that begin as marriage-wrecking affairs.

He noted that in his practice while over half the people who get into romantic affairs end up divorced, only one-fourth marry the affairee. It is likely that over three-fourths of these affair marriages end up in divorce. He says that there is a greater likelihood that the divorcing partner will be back with the original spouse in five years that that the romantic affair will be a stable marriage at that time.

He gives 12 reasons for this phenomenon:
• Intervention of reality
• Guilt
• Disparity of sacrifice
• Expectations
• General distrust of marriage
• Distrust of affairee
• Divided loyalties
• The nature of infidels
• The nature of affairees
• Romance
• Scapegoating the betrayed
• Unshared history

Out of 100 couples, (Pittman’s sample in his book private lies)
He said 50% of affairs couples divorced.
But, only 12% (12) actually married OP.
And then 75% of those failed (12*.75)= 9
Thus only 3 married betrayers are left

These are the defects he lists for marriages between the spouse and the OP.

1) The intervention of Reality: Divorce in these marriages tends to take place very early in the marriage. During th affair, the infidel and perhaps the affairee are in a state of intensely stimulating unreality. The second marriage itself seems to be a switch that throws the lights on and illuminates the mess that has accumulated. It is as if the romance had seemed real, while the divorce didnt. Only after the remarriage did the divorce become real enough for the lovers to see that it was all a horrible mistake. The affairs that become marriages typically were so intense they were never questioned at all. During the divorce, reality never set in sufficiently to let the romance be evaluated and questioned. The romance was so romantic on one ever got around to asking if it was sane.

2) Guilt.. People who have wrecked a family have inflicted much pain, and they have a lot they could feel guilty about. As reality sets in, they see many things they were overlooking. They may have felt no guilt during the affair and divorce, and the guilt they feel after the romantic marriage may come as a suprise to both of them. It is generally assumed that people who dont permit themselves to be happy must be feeling guilty about somethingm and are unhappy as a way of punishing themselves for their misdeeds. One aspect of guilt is the rluctance to enjoy ones ill-gotten gains. Another aspect of guilt is the urge to return to the scene of the crime and in some way make amends. As a romantic newlywed resists the joys of the ex-mate who was deserted so blitheyly, the new mate can feel disoriented and betrayed.

3) Disparity of sacrifice... Divorces are expensive luxuries. Whatever the financial cost, the emotional cost is far greater. Anyone after losing that much, will be drained, exhausted and depressed. It is particularly difficult when the exhausted survivor of a debilitating divorce marries the triumphant winner of the struggle. If the romantic partner is marrying for the first time, and especially if the courtship has been treacherous and insecure, the new mate will be ecstatic. A new couple may feel a disparity in what had to be sacrificed to bring them together. The partner who has never been divorced may have difficulty understanding the complexity of emotions toward the previous family.

4) Expectations.. Then there is the feeling that anything that cost this much emotionally had damn well better be worth it. The greater the sacrifices, the greater the expectations from the new marriage. Now that the promised land has been reached, it should flow with milk and honey. But instead, the new couple are just 2 tired warriors with no fight left in them. Whatever these people were expecting, the best they are likey to find now is the ordinariness of real life, the dubious peace between glorious battles. The more people enjoy the battles involved in wrecking and escaping marriages, the less they are likely to enjoy the business as usual of the new marriage that was the destination of it all.

5) General Distrust of Marriage.. Of course, anyone who has been unhappily married is likely to develop a strong distrust of the institution of marriage. People whose marriages fell apart during affairs are likey to end up distrusting marriages rather than distrusting affaris. People who distrust marriage have a vey hard time being in one.

6) Distrust of affairee..It might seem appropriate for someone to go out with them, or even to marry them, but not quite appropriate for someone to have an affair with them. Affairs are considered dishonerable acts, and peope who feel guilty for having affairs believe that they are dishonorable and their partner must be dishonorable too.

7) Divided Loyalties..During the affair tnd the divorce, the romantic couple isolate themselves. It is not only the betrayed spouses who are erased from awareness, but also the children, the families, friends, anyone who attempts to pull the romantic couple from the quicksand of their affair. But after the remarriage, there may be a longing to reestablish connections with families and friends and this may be more difficult than expected. Each close relationship and some that were amazingly casual may have to be renegotiated in view of the hurt caused to others.

8) The nature of infidels.... People who get themselves into affairs have some specific characteristics that must influence the course of their subsequent marriages. Each kind of infidel is different. Most of those who end up marrying an affair partner are romatics who drift hypnotically through this romantic high without taking much responsibility. Romantic remarriage seldom works, not only because of th unrealistic nature of romance, but also because of the reality-avoiding nature of romantics.

9)The nature of affairees.... Affairees want whatever they want from a relationship, jsut as everyone else does, but what makes them unusual is that they seek their goals among the married rather than the single. They choose partners who are not in position to marry them, and who are engaging in the relationship at great risk. People like this are clearly angry with marriage, and perhaps with the opposite sex. They believe marriage doesnt work, and they demonstrate that by breaking up another marriage as they find a partner for themselves.

10) Romance.. People who believe in the chemistry of romance dont bother to learn much about the physics of relationships. When the romance begins to fade, romantics know little about how to solve those problems that they have relied on romance to transcend. It is painful to watch a romantic relationship dissolve. It happens so suddenly, and so totally. These people have alredy demonstrated that they would rather get divorced than learn physics, so it is far easier for them to follow the same pattern.

11) Scapegoating of cuckolds... During the affair and divorce, the romantic couple conspired to convince each other that the defective marriage was the fault of the cuckold. To acknowledge otherwise, now that remarriage has taken place, seems a betrayal of the rescue fantasies that fed the romance.

12) Unshared history... Even if the new marriage survives all of these obstacles, there is one further characteristic of all second marriages: The absence of a shared history that brings familiarity torelationships that began earlier in life. If a romantic marriage has wrecked a previous marriage or two, the history of the relationship is painful to both partners, and possibly somewhat embarrasing to others. The new partners keep thinking about it and justifying it, but it is hard to talk about lightly, in the familiar, safe manner of people who can tell their old war stories without guilt. However intense their commitment, people who share a guilty past arent totally rpoud of their new marriage.

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What is COM?
I don't know what I would do? How can I answer that fully? I know if I had children I would not be using them to get back at the WS. That to me would hurt children more than the WS leaving. I would probably be devastated. I am not a person to go looking for a fight, so I would most likley end up blaming myself for everything. I have blamed myself for quite almost everything that has happened already. You do not see my remorse in here because I choose not to post it.


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I see a lot of truth in your post Pepper. I gotta go for now, but I think I knew all of this deep down. I just didn't want to believe it. There are other circumstances in my M that I do not wish to post here. Not that any of it is an excuse for what we did, it just makes it a lot clearer as to why I chose my path.


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