Even so, the Bible doesn't exactly delve into God's sexual habits.

"Filthy", "immoral", "adulterous" and other such words are labels that humans have applied to activities that may very well be natural behaviors. Marriage and monogamy are almost certainly more unnatural that sex with numerous partners and "spreading your seed", so to speak.

Do not think for one second that I'm giving cheaters some slack. They deserve none. On d-day, I had an urge to kill that I couldn't believe. I am still surprised that such an urge surfaced in me.

Still, I resisted it.

This is a little OFF this topic but still related....This situation happened in a town not very far from where I live two weeks ago. A wayward husband met his wayward girlfriend (both married to other people)at a local park in broad daylight. It is my understanding that the two were sitting in the car (not sure what/if anything was going on physically at the moment) and a man approached the car and shot the man in the head. The woman was not hurt I don't think. The wayward womans husband is a local doctor in the town. The couple was white and the assailiant was an african american man. Many have speculated that the ww husband had something to do with it but there hasn't been much on the news about it lately......and this is a small town with not alot of random crime!

Karma.

I agree. But I think we are the schmucks who are loyal, who honor commitments, and not necessarily missing out on any fun. I don't think it would be fun to have an affair but that is b/c of my morals. I sense when you say 'all the fun' you are referring to the $ex. And, yeah i was missing out on it. Sadly, I don't want to have SF with anyone other than my W...that is why I married her.

I don’t think so.

My neighbor is originally from Fiji. He married an Indian Hindu woman. It is an arraigned marriage. He met her for the first time at their wedding. Got to see a picture of her prior to that, but that was all. They are very happily married with three good kids.

Several of his friends and all of his bothers, sisters and cousins are also in arraigned marriages even though they all live in the US. So I asked him about this arraigned marriage thing few years ago. He brought over an article published by a major US university (I wish I had kept a copy, but I might recall the study if I let it percolate a bit) social study that concluded the divorce rate among arraigned marriages in the US is one-tenth that of so-called love-based marriages. And the happiness rate, or quotient I think it was called, is also much higher than in US love-based marriages. And the adultery rate was almost nil, too.

Seems arraigned marriages are much more reliable, stable and happy than western style love-based marriages, on the whole.

Also seems Hindu believers are much better at love, honor and cherish (and meeting ENs) than Christians, on the whole.


Oh, and normal people commit murder all the time. Just like normal people commit adultery all the time.

Yeah, but we're talking Muslim here, not Hindu.

The arranged marriages I think is what the point was, and they being good marriages.

I happen to disagree with affairs and murder being natural, our basic nature.

If propogating the species is what makes sleeping around more normal, then that would be in opposition to the murdering off of the species, wouldn't it?

I believe it is our nature to mate for life and to preserve life. I believe we are so screwed up because we go against those two.

There are animals who do mate for life, and I don't believe there are any animals who kill their own kind. Correct me if I am wrong, though.

Nope. Happens all the time in the animal kingdom. Males fighting males and the winner takes all.

Do they fight to the death?

A lot of the time, yes. Either to the death or the loser is ousted by the rest of the "herd" and left to fend for himself and likely die.

Self-preservation usually takes priority over the species as a whole, unless your talking about an ant colony or something similar.


Preserve life? Really? Human history is one long, bloody mess right back to the very beginning, no matter what you believe. According to the Bible, one of the first four people to exist murdered one of the other three...his own brother, no less. After that, one in three humans was a murderer.

Just check out a history book...humans are probably the LEAST life-preserving creatures on the face of the Earth. The two World Wars alone ought to confirm that.


There are a select few animals who keep the same mate for life, but there are plenty of animals who kill their own kind. Chimpanzees come to mind. They commit murder out of sheer anger. Female black widows consume the male after sex, because she's done with him, I suppose. Many, many male animals of the same species kill each other for.....you guessed it....the attention of a female.

The world is a violent place. We didn't get to the top of the food chain by being loving peacekeepers.

Some animals eat their young, so yea, it happens.

What about the black widow? Does it not kill its mate?

Natural Selection backs both. Kill the weak, and spread the strongest seed as much as possible.

Oh.

I can really understand murder when I envision someone hurting my child, though. Maybe protecting the family is innate behaviour.

We need an anthropoligist here.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Murderers and adulterers are completely, 100% responsible for their actions unless they are insane.

Other than our self-awareness, the other thing that separates us from apes is the ability to decide to defy our instincts.

It is that defiance that has allowed humans to become what we are today.

Otherwise, OM would be worm food, and I would've traded my wife in on a model that was less "defective"...if I didn't plant her with OM from the beginning.

I said that is why we are so messed up. We are going against our own nature. I don't care if the Biblical history started out with us murdering each other. The OT was the nastiest thing I ever tried to read. There is nothing Godly about it. The Bible WANTS us to believe we are basically a bunch heathens, the whole thing is about fear. I don't believe that, I believe we are basically good.

IF you people really believe that murder and sleeping around is our basic nature, then what is the point?

Why are we fighting so hard to be married? To stop wars.

Who care what spiders and rabbits do. They're animals, we are humans.

Why did I even use that comparison.

And if it is our basic nature, sleeping around and killing, then WHY DOES IT CAUSE SO MUCH PAIN?

Q: IF you people really believe that murder and sleeping around is our basic nature, then what is the point?

A: There is no "point". We are animals. Birds can fly. Fish can breathe water. We can think at a relatively high level.

Q: Why are we fighting so hard to be married? To stop wars.

A: Less and less people are making marriage a priority as time goes on...at least in the USA. Stopping wars? America doesn't know what to do with itself if it ISN'T involved in a conflict of some kind. We're involved in two wars right now. Do we care about civil war in Africa, where there are few natural resources that interest us? Nope.

Q: Who care what spiders and rabbits do. They're animals, we are humans.

A: My first answer covers this. In my opinion, we are animals. Our brain just so happens to be the best tool in the animal kingdom, so we're # 1.

Q: And if it is our basic nature, sleeping around and killing, then WHY DOES IT CAUSE SO MUCH PAIN?

Pain is completely natural, as are many things that are unpleasant to experience.

Like I said before, the world is a harsh, violent place.

That's for sure.