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Originally Posted by nxs450
[I have read one book and several articals on affairs. First of all what led up to the affsir and sex was not "buisness Related" The next time they saw each other after the sex they were both discussed with themselves fo what they did. They had aready agreed that they were still in love with there spouses and what they had been doing up to thst point was feeling a void that they missed with there partner. It was never supossed to go anyfuther theb that. But as we no when someone becomes intamatly envoled, it's only a matter of time before the sex happens. Some of the articles I have read said in certian situations it is possible for the two envlved partys to continue working at them same place. I do seem to trust my wife right now and I have talked to a girl that works with my wife , that has reassured me that nothing, is happening. I will have to let it go for right now.

You are making a huge mistake, nxs and I don't know how to help you. frown If you believe your marriage will recover while they still see each other, then you are sadly delusional. This is how short affairs turn into long term affairs.

It is possible for them to continue to work together, but it is not possible to recover your marriage. Every day that she goes to work you will have to wonder if today is the day.

Every day she goes to work and sees him, she will be triggered. Every day she sees him, you will be triggered. If you think a person can recover under those conditions, you are going to be very disappointed.

I can't imagine how you think you can get it out of your head when you are triggered every day when she heads off to work to see him. That is simply not rational. The only way I know to accomplish that feat is to take massive doses of narcotics to blot out reality. If you won't take the steps to change reality, you may as well run from it.

Trusting an untrustworthy person is insane. Your trust is very inappropriate. It is not lack of trust that destroys marriages, but a lack of BOUNDARIES. There are no boundaries in this marriage and this will lead to more problems.



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Requirements for Recovery from an Affair

The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the betrayed spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts http://marriagebuilders.com/ca/to.cgi?l=qa080103bc
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.

Best wishes,

Willard F. Harley, Jr.


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I understand what you are saying. Right now I am just hoping the guy leaves on his own. Several people that work with my wife think that he will. I have called him once and told him that is what he needs to do. He did not respond to my statement and I think the guy is afraid of me. If for some reason he doesn't leave I will deal with it then.

As far as me and my wife talking about what happened in the affair we have covered everything that I could think of. I even asked her more question later on that I did not think of at the time we first talked about it. I still come up with questions that I feel like I need to know the answer to, and she doesn't have a problem with it. I know everything that happened that night and the things in between.

We covered almost everything that I pictured of how it must of been. What they said to each other, if it was like what we have, and even things like physical attributes. Was he __________? how __________he? did he________? and so on.
She didn't have to answer these kind of questions but she did.

Like I said earlier in a post I purchased a book from Dr. Frank Gunzburg that has been very helpful. We are still working on it now. I would be more then happy to receive your book to. Anything that can help me and my wife work through this affairwould be appreciated. Thanks for your input. That is what I came here for. How should I send you my address?


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nxs, I am just another poster here like you. You can order the book Surviving an Affair from this website. I will tell you that Marriage Builders is the most successful program i know of. Dr Harley understands infidelity and gives a plan for recovery. It worked for us and has for many others.


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Hi, nxs. Sorry you're here. I read this and hope you'll reconsider:

Originally Posted by nxs450
I talked to her about STD's. She said he has only been with his wife.
People lie about having sex with partners outside of their marriage. You know this firsthand. It's possible that the OM's wife is/was having an affair and the OM (her husband) didn't know it -- just like OM had an affair with your wife and OM's wife didn't know it. This is why your wife should get the test. While I believed my FOM was clean as he told me, my husband made a two great points about this. 1.) The FOM is a liar (he had an affair after all) so why wouldn't he be lying to me? 2.) Who was I to know if FOM's wife was being faithful to FOM? Maybe FOM's wife had something and either didn't know it or hadn't revealed it to FOM?

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I don't know if I should make her anyway. We have allready made love several times since they were together.
So if you're infected with something you don't want to know it? She doesn't want to know if she has an STD? Not knowing doesn't mean it doesn't exist. HIV can take up to 6 months to be diagnosed. One can be a carrier of herpes yet not ever show any signs of the infection. I was pretty confident that I didn't get anything from my FOM, but out of consideration for my H, I took the tests. It showed him that I did care. (Wish I would have cared more earlier and never had the PA, but I can't un-do what I did and I'm doing now whatever I can to help us heal.) Among the many things I hate about my cheating is that I thoughtlessly and carelessly endangered my H's health.

Please ask your wife to get the tests.


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How can you believe anything an OM claims?

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My wife agreed to get tested for STD's. She said it didn't bother her at all. She will call monday to set up a appointment. I don't know how they do it though?

Also found out that the OM is going to be quiting. I will find out for sure on monday. My wife heard it last night from the girl freind she works with.This would be great if he does.

Things are starting to look up. Now if I can get rid of these thoughts I keep playing over in my head. Also the thinking about what if I done this or that. I can't change what has happened.

Oh and I am going to trade the car in as soon as I can.

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Be sure to double check that the OM really has quit. Do NOT just take your wife's word for this.



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