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I really believe you should do some snooping. Strike that, do LOTS of snooping!

That gut feeling you have means something isn't right in your world. I had the same feeling and supressed it, saying to myslef, "there is no way she would have an affair"

Well, the gut was right. I stumbled on to her e-mail and found the evidence. My WW is not very tech savy, but she engaged in an EA via her phone (talking and texting) and hid that well. Never really e-mailed the OM save for once.

Get a keylogger installed on all the computers he has access to. Get his phone and text records and look over them closely. And if you do find evidence of infidelity come back here looking for ways to confront him first.

Don't give up your secret snooping devices. They may be useful in the future, even if he's telling the truth right now. If he's not transparent you will need ways to keep yourself sane -- snooping helps.

Might even consider a voice activated recorder placed in his vehicle. I know my WW talked to OM a lot on her drives to and from work.

Snoop, snoop, snoop, snoop. And seek counseling.


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Originally Posted by porcupine1
Thanks IRN,


My H is an extremely poor communicator. Communication is one of my top ENs. he evades and never gives me an answer for anything. that is what has been frustrating the hell out of me. I have been looking for other explanations for why he was vulnerable to this and what happened etc because he cannot give me the answers. I Read up on Bipolar disorder and on Sexual Addiction. Both of those could be him, but I just don't know for sure... All I need is to see that he takes what happens seriously and is searching within himself to figure out why and what and how... He still keeps asking me why I am upset and what he did (when I say I am trying to deal with what you told me you did). I feel like I would be better off living with a rock.

I have realised that I am allowing this man to rob me of my ability to love - I am turning into an angry, resentful, closed up, cynical person. I have to get right with me again, regardless of him. I give him way too much power... I need to switch off and focus on me regardless of what he does. Hopefully when I do that the resentment will lift and forgiveness will come?

I think we will probably go see another MC, I will ask them if there is a way he could be bipolar or a sex addict (or even an alcoholic as he drinks ALL the time). I am not sure. My husband hides a lot of things from me. Hence me feeling like I don't know this man.

For me, the forgiveness came after a year and a half of my husband busting his rear end in recovery. The resentment is gone. The hurt isn't. But someday, I imagine it won't hurt as much.

Could you see a counselor yourself? Perhaps one that specializes in addictions? Not all MC are specialized in healing from any sort of addiction. And if you go to an untrained MC, it could be bad news for you.

Neither my husband nor I knew anything about non-sexual intimacy in a marriage. I had to learn about it from a book. My husband's intimacy/communicate got better as he progressed in recovery.

Have you gone to the EN forum and Read Ear's Open thread? Not the short one, there's a huge long one there. It might be helpful for you to read.

ETA: Boundaries only work when YOU are ready to follow up your words with actions. When you are ready to be treated in a different manner and ask for that.

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Hi DNU1,

Thanks for the response... I installed a keylogger yesterday. It is eating me up! I really suck at hiding things and my husband is a systems engineer and developer, so very tech savvy. I keep imagining him stumbling on it and FREAKING out... or finding a way to cheat it... Maybe I am just paranoid:)

Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna try to lay low with it and see what comes up...

Good luck to you!
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Thanks again IRN. I will go read ears_open's thread now.

Today is not a good day at all, I am feeling that knawing feeling in my gut again. That is why I am in such a hurry to just move on from this regardless of him. He is not doing anything to help me in this. Just wants to pretend nothing ever happened.

I realise that rushing healing is not good either.
I do think of myself as codependent lately... I read Dr Harley's article on the codependent movement and thought maybe I am not and I am just being a good wife, but I do think it is not healthy in my situation. I'm feeling super unsure of anything today...

Sorry for the waffling...

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I haven't read enough to be an expert on MB, but my biggest codependent trait is/was the desire to control EVERYTHING, including things that I should not be controlling, like the thoughts/actions/feelings of my husband and kids. I can't believe any mentally/emotionally healthy person would suggest this level of control is acceptable and normal.

Part of codependency is enabling the other person's behaviors that are harmful.

Part of codependency is trying to meet your parter's needs, even if this costs you your soul. I haven't seen that in HNHN, but I haven't read the whole book (just skimmed it.)



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I hear you...

the article I am referring to is this one http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8110_cod.html
Since I am not sure if my hubby is an addict, I dismissed this option.

I don't think it is healthy though to do those things anyway in a marriage where reciprocity is not the order of the day (even if the other person is not an alcoholic). Where one of the spouses is happy to just take all the time and only interested in doing something for the other spouse if they get something out of it. I might be wrong, but it seems inevitable that one will burnout in such a situation to me.

Like I said I am feeling rather nutty today, so I might read this tomorrow and think I am crazy.

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