These are notes taken by a client of Steve Harley about the role of intermediaries. Please add anything you think relevant.

1. Intermediaries act as "SPAM filters" (Steve Harley's words), allowing only communication that fits the boundaries set forth in Plan B to be passed on to protect the BS.

They do not share any other info he sends, regardless of how benign the content. He said they can tell me he sent something.

2. They remain neutral...just a messenger sending info on, no reactions.

3. If he sends something inappropriate, they thank him for his communication, but let him know it will not be shared and refer him back to the PBL.

4. He said if he tries to contact me any other way, they will indicate I have not opened/listened to whatever it is, and refer him back to them for all communication.

Obviously, the key here is to be very consistent and not allow WS to push the boundary.



Regarding attempts at contact for discussing reconciliation and poor recoveries I have seen on MB--Steve said the biggest mistake people make is taking the WS back with no clear-cut plan for R. Steve also mentioned the following:

1. WS does not have to end the A before we can talk about R (Steve said he will help guide us and negotiate the end of the A and make a plan for R). So a NC letter FIRST is not a requirement.

2. I spell out what WS needs to do...get help for the addiction

3. He said I should wait for WS to show me what he is offering without me giving any indication of where I stand.

-WS does all the talking

-See what his plan is for R

-How does he know he is ready?

-He has to be showing actions that are consistent with R

-Show me he has/plans to remove OW from his life

-He said tell WS we need help/guidance, and let Steve then talk with him (no recovery demands as he will feel he is being controlled or I am being demanding). Steve said I could say something like,"We are really close to the edge here, and I do not want to make any mistakes. I would like to get someone to help us through this. All I know is I want us to be in love again. I am not asking you for a commitment, I am just asking you to speak with him so you find out his professional opinion of what R would involve for us."

4. During this time, I remain guarded and can say that it is not that I do not care, but that I just want to ease into R.

[My note on the above issue. Some WS' will make overtures about "reconciliation" early on only because the Plan B is working and they are missing the BS. They don't want to end the affair, but want to return to the status quo where they were getting needs met in both places. A good IM will be able to screen out the false alarms. A false alarm is usually indictated by bullcrap attempts like "how can I know if my feelings will come back if she won't let me contact her??" An IM should protect the BS from this kind of stuff.]

"Bouncing" e-mails from WS: [written by a client of Steve's]

I created a rule that stated:

If e-mail comes in from WH's e-mail address, then:


1. Forward to intermediary's e-mail address,

and WS' (optional--see below)


2. Delete it



Then, you will never see them, but you need to have a reliable intermediary.

The optional part was suggested by me to Steve H. He liked it because my WS was so consistent about sending e-mails to me directly, that he wanted WH to be clear that I was not reading/getting them. He also had my intermediaries send something informing WS that all correspondence, etc. was deleted and/or forwarded unread.

What is nice about my WS seeing the "bounce" is that it sends the message to him, everytime, that I am not reading the e-mails because he "sees" it get bounced out automatically (a second or two after it was sent). Steve felt this was very important reinforcement. And, it needed to be consistent.

I have this rule set up for all of his different e-mail addresses. When he sends me e-mail from a new address (which he has done twice), I just add that one to the rules.


***Have your intermediary keep copy of all correspondence, in case you need it for court.***

What to do about children's events:

Question: if I decide to do a full Plan B, what do I do when we attend the same children's activities? Soccer games, band concerts, plays, etc. are all part of our lives. Do I ignore him completely? Is it okay to smile and wave? Do we sit together or what?
FYI, I have a mediator in mind, but I'm just not emotionally read to Plan B him yet. But I'm getting there.


Dr. Harley's ANSWER: Read my answer to "What Now!" by NZJ in the Questions about Infidelity section of the MBW Forum. It probably applies to your situation.

About 95% of affairs die a natural death within 2 years of discovery. And 70% of those 5% that survive to marriage end in divorce. Even the 30% of the 5% (1.5%) are not all happy marriages. So the odds of your husband finding happiness with his present lover is so unlikely that it's safe to say that his affair is the worst mistake of his life. But because you're married to him, it's the worst mistake of your life, too. And you didn't do anything to deserve it.

Your best plan of action right now is plan B. And you will have to make it air-tight to keep you sane. Otherwise, every casual contact, even at your children's events, is likely to take a terrible toll on your mental and physical health.

Some day, your husband may come out of the fog. And he may be ready to win you back to him again. But I would encourage you to avoid hoping for that outcome. In fact, try to avoid thinking of him at all. Start going down a new path that does not include him in any way. There's nothing more that you can do to encourage him to do the right thing. All you're left with now is to try to protect yourself from future suffering. And that means having absolutely nothing to do with your husband, possibly for the rest of your life.

Best wishes
Willard F. Harley, Jr.

The occasional WS will go crazy when they lose control over the BS in Plan B and attempt to force them to legally communicate with them. It is usually quickly dropped, though, when the WS realizes he has opened the door for the BS attorney to explain to a judge how abusive and cruel the WS has been, hence the need for Plan B. Here is the support that some of our members have used in their defense:


Plaintiffs' adulterous affair has been traumatic to the entire family, most especially the defendant. Reknowned psychologist and leading US expert on adultery and families, Dr. Willard Harley, author and founder of Marriage Builders, likens the trauma of an affair to rape. It is Dr. Harley, among other experts, who recommend ceasing direct communication with the adulterous spouse to lessen the emotional pain of witnessing the affair first hand.

Dr. Willard F. Harley, Jr:

Quote: "The problem with a coninuation of contact is that it usually leads to severe emotional symptoms, including years of post-traumatic stress disorder, even when the [wayward spouse] eventually returns. Many women that I've counseled actually have nervous breakdowns in their effort to draw their wayward spouse back to them."


Dr. Deena Stacer, Ph.D, Founder and Director of the San Diego County High Conflict Intervention Program, recommends ceasing contact for a minimum of two years in order to protect the children:

Quote:In a breakup or divorce, with children, there may be high emotion and tension between the parents. This tension creates anxiety for the children as well as the parents. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, body language and in their parents behavior. To significantly reduce the amount of tension for all the family, the parents should follow two simple rules for the first two years, in order to control the communication and contact between the parents.

Number One: Eliminate all face-to-face communication between the parents, {including telephone contact} for a minimum of two years.

Number Two: all communication should be done in writing, using a memo format.

Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children.

Coparenting often fails, because it assumes that the parents can eventually get along. Our program assumes that with every interaction between the parents more anixety results creating less ability to agree of child sharing issues. If parents couldn't coparent while together, the gap now is wider between them since separatation and their anxiety level is increasing due to the ongoing court conflit.

Our program focuses the parents away from their feelings of failure to communicate and redirects their anger at each other to bonding more closely with their children instead.


http://www.highconflictintervention.com/useruploads/files/EX%20Communicate%202009.pdf

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One of my friends offered to put me in touch with two "intermediaries" from a neighboring state who would make the OM "disappear".

Hey Zelmo! thanks for the chuckle - I needed it! Can you hook me up with those "indermediaries"

Clay, this buddy was serious, too. he lives in Vegas and had some guys in Chicago. Guess i better be nice to him.
My dad represented Frankie Carbo(guy who probably killed Bugsy siegel). He was always worried Frankie would take somone out for him.

Hey! OW lives near Chicago! Just kidding... sort of.

Being an intermediary is an EASY JOB if you do it right. Many WS' will try very hard to engage the IM in a debate. This is a TAR PIT you should avoid at all costs.

Do not express any opinion about anything. Tell them you are not here to judge, your only job is to pass on pertinent information in accordance to the BS' letter.

For example, if you get a long winded tirade about how immature the BS is for not speaking to him, just pull out a KERNAL of pertinent information that should be passed on [if you can find one] and say "thank you for your email, I will let Sally know that you will be picking up DS at 1:00 on Friday." Don't even acknowledge the tirade. And most certainly, do not pass on any hint of the tirade to the BS. Just tell the BS, "Bob will pick up DS on Friday at 1:00."

If there is nothing to pass on, politely say that "in accordance to BS's letter, this isn't something that can be passed on. If you have any pertinent issues about child visitation or finances, I would be happy to pass that on."

Don't step into the TAR PIT, no matter what!

Thank you for reposting this. It's thumbtackable, imo.

Thanks Kimmy, the reason I made this thread up is because if you don't do this right, this very easy job can become an absolute nightmare. I know so many IM's who quickly wore down because they allowed themselves to get dragged into the tar pit. And it is SO TEMPTING, too!! When a WS tells you something stupid like "it is all her fault I am having an affair!" it is hard to ignore such a retarded statement. But, an IM's job is to only pass on information, not to engage a falling down drunk.

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Thanks for bumping this , Faith! Chicago is only a plane ride away from me.... haha!

Good to get clarity on the role of the IM too. How does this work when you have children the WS will be coming to see? Can you just disappear into the next room?

P&H, it is not recommended that the WS visit the children at home. It gives the WS a "home fix" to be allowed into the marital home. HE will need to figure out the how and where of visitation. I would see if you file for LS if you can prevent him from bringing the OW around your children.

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The link didn't work for me. I think this is another link to the same article: **edit**

I do not have any person in my life who is "neutral", how do I then aquire an moderator? We have been together so long, been at this hacking so long, everyone has an opinion.

I don't think it is fair to put my friends and family through the wringer again. They either resent of have empathy for the sit.

Good one that needs to be bumped

Nesre

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Can the BW just put a filter on her email and any message WH sends her is forwarded automatically to someone who she has read the message and decide what she really needs to see/know.

My SIL wants me to be her IM but I have come out pretty strong against the affair already and as a result her WH is very angry with me and isn't talking to me.

This is technically possible (and fairly easy) depending on the email client (program). Look for for "rules" or "filters" to find out how.

Some emails will do this.

HOWEVER!

If the point is to conceal from the WS that she has an IM at all, it is not a good idea. Part of the point of having an IM at all, besides to protect the BS, is to be a buffer so the WS *knows* they can't just reach out and mess with their BS.

Forwarding the email can be a good second-line defense, as long as the WS doesn't start sending from new email addys to get around the block. Should that happen, the BS needs to change their email ASAP. Changing it is a good idea anyway, but at minimum a block, preferably with a redirect/forward option.

So by all means have her forward the emails if possible, just don't try to sneak around and pretend like there's no IM.

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Melody, can you email me **edit**

Thanks

Please email the administrator at JustUss2@aol.com to exchange email info.

Thank you.

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If a WS is doing the requirements while the the BS is in Plan B, what does the IM need to do? I mean, how do we know he is actually doing them? Does he tell me? Do I pass on the info? How do we know he is serious?

Thanks,
RQ

The IM will do the screening. The WS has to agree to end the affair and commit to marriage recovery.

If you're IMing and the WS claims to want to come home just ask them what their plan for recovery is.

If they are showing consistent actions, planning to end the A, and sign up to a recovery plan you can let the BS know.

If they simply demand contact, don't bother.

MOST waywards will make false overtures initially in order to regain contact with the BS. They will say they are thinking about things and can't really be sure unless they are in contact. It is important at this point to get YES or NO answers to the conditions, because they usually will equivocate when asked "have you ended contact with the OW? will you commit to the marriage?" They will give vague answers like "we will see how this works out."

The BS needs to be protected from such overtures because it means the WS is not serious. He just wants to have 2 people meeting his needs again.

I wanted to throw this question out here...

Are there any members of MB that would be willing to serve as our IM during Plan B? I do not know if there is already a "resource" for hooking up members with one another to serve as other member's IMs, but I thought it might be a possibility. I need to begin Plan B and have been planning it with the hope of starting on approximately July 14, but feel a little stumped on the IM aspect.

My family and friends have been so helpful and supportive throughout my 14 month ordeal thus far. I hate to burden anyone of them with the IM responsibility when I fear I will need so much additional support from them in other ways throughout the Plan B. Anyway, I also figured who better to be an IM than either a FWS or BS who understands the importance and significance of Plan B as well as the responsibilities of the IM.

I would certainly be willing to be the IM for a member in the future in order to pay it forward. (I don't imagine two members being each other's IM at the same time would be a good idea, but maybe there would be benefits to which I am currently unaware.)

Thank you for any thoughts, IM offers or IM suggestions.