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If we really want society to uphold families and the sanctity of marriage, then we should each do our part to dispell some of the common myths of adultery when the opportunity arises.


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I truly beleive that no one understands the damage to a family adultery does unless it has touched their lives..it does seem to be a joke to most people these days. And blaming Elin in any way is horrible, every cheater can blame their spouse, its just excuses....he got married for PR and that is it, he should have never gotten married...JMHO.

Sneaking and lying and cheating are not the way to get your marital needs met....I am positive all her needs were not being met, like faithfulness for one.


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married 12 Yrs together(?) 18 yrs when A discovered
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Tiger is a philanderer. He is not a run-of-the-mill adulterer.


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Philandering

Philandering is a predominantly male activity. Philanderers take up infidelity as a hobby. Philanderers are likely to have a rigid and concrete concept of gender; they worship masculinity, and while they may be greatly attracted to women, they are mostly interested in having the woman affirm their masculinity. They don't really like women, and they certainly don't want an equal, intimate relationship with a member of the gender they insist is inferior, but far too powerful. They see women as dangerous, since women have the ability to assess a man's worth, to measure him and find him wanting, to determine whether he is man enough.

These men may or may not like sex, but they use it compulsively to affirm their masculinity and overcome both their homophobia and their fear of women. They can be cruel, abusive, and even violent to women who try to get control of them and stop the philandering they consider crucial to their masculinity. Their life is centered around displays of masculinity, however they define it, trying to impress women with their physical strength, competitive victories, seductive skills, mastery of all situations, power, wealth, and, if necessary, violence. Some of them are quite charming and have no trouble finding women eager to be abused by them.

Gay men can philander too, and the dynamics are the same for gay philanderers as for straight ones: the obvious avoidance of female sexual control, but also preoccupation with masculinity and the use of rampant sexuality for both reassurance and the measurement of manhood. When men have paid such an enormous social and interpersonal price for their preferred sexuality, they are likely to wrap an enormous amount of their identity around their sexuality and express that sexuality extensively.

Philanderers may be the sons of philanderers, or they may have learned their ideas about marriage and gender from their ethnic group or inadvertently from their religion. Somewhere they have gotten the idea that their masculinity is their most valuable attribute and it requires them to protect themselves from coming under female control. These guys may consider themselves quite principled and honorable, and they may follow the rules to the letter in their dealings with other men. But in their world women have no rights.

To men they may seem normal, but women experience them as narcissistic or even sociopathic. They think they are normal, that they are doing what every other real man would do if he weren't such a wimp. The notions of marital fidelity, of gender equality, of honesty and intimacy between husbands and wives seem quite foreign from what they learned growing up. The gender equality of monogamy may not feel compatible to men steeped in patriarchal beliefs in men being gods and women being ribs. Monogamous sexuality is difficult for men who worship Madonnas for their sexlessness and berate Eves for their seductiveness.

Philanderers' sexuality is fueled by anger and fear, and while they may be considered "sex addicts" they are really "gender compulsives" desperately doing whatever they think will make them look and feel most masculine. They put notches on their belts in hopes it will make their penises grow bigger. If they can get a woman to die for them, like opera composer Giacomo Puccini did in real life and in most of his operas, they feel like a real man.


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This also describes my XWH, Pep. He did not just go out and fall in luuuve with someone else. He collects women like a hobby and fired me when I refused to be one of the wh*re collection.

As I have said here before, I am still trying to figure out why this philandering behavior did not kick in until after he got to be a Corporate Big Shot. All I can figure is that it was exactly like somebody who was not a crack addict and seemed decent and normal until he started working in the crack house and got his first hit of crack. That's exactly what he was like, and there was no stopping him after that first hit of crack.

I still struggle terribly with the fact that the first half of our nearly 25-year marriage was very good and very happy. Then it all went down the cheating hole. Maybe it would be different if he'd been rotten from the start, like Tiger reportedly was. But he wasn't.

Oh, well. It's Christmas. Just put me on "ignore" until after the happy season is over.
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There is such a thing as a female philanderer, but not nearly as often as a male.

I'm afraid the usual Marriage Builders approach of $LB and meeting ENs is a bottomless pit when talking about a philanderer and not a run of the mill adulterer.

I also think, fame and success are a burden not many humans are qualified to endure.

With great gifts and great rewards comes great temptations and a longer fall from GRACE.



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As I have said here before, I am still trying to figure out why this philandering behavior did not kick in until after he got to be a Corporate Big Shot. All I can figure is that it was exactly like somebody who was not a crack addict and seemed decent and normal until he started working in the crack house and got his first hit of crack. That's exactly what he was like, and there was no stopping him after that first hit of crack.


I still struggle terribly with the fact that the first half of our nearly 25-year marriage was very good and very happy. Then it all went down the cheating hole. Maybe it would be different if he'd been rotten from the start, like Tiger reportedly was. But he wasn't.


Ditto. Mine too totally changed when he hit the business world and began to climb that corporate ladder.

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