Yeah, but what if you do not beleive in Satan or subscribe to a different faith, like Druids? How can they align themselves with someone in whom they do not beleive?

LOL No one said you have to believe in Satan for him to work his magic.

God's Blessings,

Say

He has magic? Somebody better tell the pagans.
Fortunately, with the old Plenary indulgence banked, I am protected. Doesn't hurt to wave an occassional chiicken carcass over my head, either.
Okay, off to Bible study for me.

Definatly. I have met a few waywards F2F, and seen several different waywards photo's and they all have the dead eyes, and flat angry face in common.

Believing it doesn't make it so, 26. Are you sure they deal in witchcraft?

I think that most people who noodle around with 'Black Magic' are witch-wannabes, because it makes them feel like they're 'somebody.'

I also think what you're seeing is the latent, 'evil' side of an addict who always existed inside of your H. Nothing "Exorcist-y" about it. Waywards really CAN seem to be possessed when they're in the throes of their addiction. Look at Susan Smith. She drove her two beautiful children into a lake and drowned them. Her OP had told her they didn't have a future because she had kids, and he didn't want kids.

Bizarre, abnormal behavior. It's one of the hallmarks of a WS.

Phew! I'm glad it's not just me. I was looking at WS FB photos the other day. He had an album of photos of himself that I had taken on holidays and another album of various photos, mostly in the past year. The first he looks exactly how I remember him, with fondness as being the kindest most caring person. The second has just one old photo and the difference between him then and now, well you wouldn't say it is the same man. I actually thought at the time of looking that he looks evil. Not someone I would in any way be attracted to if I were to meet him for the first time, and that is very sad.

I think they do become someone else, they change for the bad. During the course of the affair I think they may think they are changing for the good. I was asking my husband today, if the OW is such a great person, wonderful to talk to and so understanding. Why when you/he met her he turned into a serial liar. How could a good person bring all this bad stuff out of you? If she's all of that, why can't she keep her own husband happy.

If you believe in the scripture it states "the wages of sin is death" This is a spiritual death. Sin is distance from God. So choosing God you choose the abundant life. If you choose sin you walk away from the abundant life. So is it any wonder there is a physical manifestation such as the flat eyes and the face reveals a change in looks.

There is also the belief that two become one flesh, through the joining of the flesh and a joining of the spirit. Thus some groups teach that intercourse links not only physically but spiritually.

So if a person claims to be Christian and participates in sin they are willingly leaping onto a very slippery slope.

I think that believeing that an evil spirit or Satan himself has taken over the BS is an excuse to protect oneself. My WH has become someone else too and I still go over and over and over in my head, how this could have happened. How could he re-write our 15 years of marriage and say that I haven't loved him for years? How could he (a thoughtful, intellectual type)fall in love with a woman who hasn't read a single book since graduating from high school? How could he tell me he can still be a good husband while continuing his love affair? How could he say our children are the most important beings in his life and then decide to move four states away from them?

The only explanation is he is possessed by the Devil, right? Wrong. He is possessed by his own thoughts and fantasies and conflicted by the line between fantasy and reality. I firmly believe that the reason WSs look different in photos while they're having an A is because of the deep-rooted guilt that is tearing apart their insides.

My WH looks much worse since the A began. He doesn't sleep nearly as much as he used to ... 4-5 hours a night compared to 8-9 before the A. He drinks more too. It's guilt and lots and lots of adrenalin that comes from the rush of the A. He feels more alive, more alert, more in-tune when actually it's a case of hyper stimulation. I believe the stress becomes as addictive as the A itself. He's not comfortable, in a rut, complacent. That's how he felt before, with me. Now everything is so exciting so it must be HER that's more exciting.

Think of the A as addiction, not demon possession. A drug addict, when it comes down to it, thinks of nothing but the next fix. So it is with the WS. He/she has to maintain the "high." Of course that's going to change who they are. How could it not?

For me, and probably most BSs here, it's inconceivable to think that my lifelong partner could turn into someone else completely, seemingly overnight. Because that would somehow put me at fault that I couldn't see it or predict it or stop it from happening. Blaming Satan is a defense mechanism to protect oneself from the searing pain that results from infedelity. We look for reasonable, rational explanations where none exist.

I completely agree with you. It seems that all waywards get that same blank, stupid, angry stare - blank to try to keep you out, stupid because their actions are destructively stupid, and angry because real life keeps smashing into their fantasy world and people just don't understand!

Ever see the interview Jon Gosselin did when he and Kate announced their split? Or maybe it was just before. Anyway, he was sitting a few feet away from Kate and had exactly that same blank, stupid, angry look.

It's addiction that possesses them - either addiction to one person (like Governor Sanford) or addiction to sex and attention (like Tiger Woods). Possession is a terrible thing no matter where it comes from.

Yep. I saw the same look on my FWH while he was in his A. I took a picture of him at Christmas, when I thought we were having a good day. I looked at the picture that day and thought "I have never seen him look so...miserable." Of course, at the time I thought he was miserable with me.

We talked about the picture after D-Day. He remembered what he was feeling at that time - sick because the woman who loved him and was taking his pic was someone he was treating like dirt. Caught, because the A was becoming more trouble than it was worth and he didn't know how to get out of it.

His eyes. That's what gets me the most. They were empty.

I beleive most waywards are fundamentally more guillable and less introspective. It would not surprise me if, rather than looking at themselves, they opted for the "Devil made me do it" type of analysis.
By nature, they seem to be the types of folks who look for external factors to both justify their actions and to provide for their happiness and contentment. They are leaves blown about by the wind. Truly pathetic.

Interesting topic.

My XH was similar to your H, ethical, good hearted, loved his kids, proud of his achievements at work and the list goes on.

When this started I felt that an alien stole my XH and replaced him with a pod (anyone remember Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

Interesting story I went with a friend to a spirit shop that sold religious candles, crosses and other type of religious items. The owner did readings but not with tarot cards but some other type of cards that were "non-witch". This was when XH was about 4 months into the A and had moved out.

He did a reading for us. Actually had to have a translator because he did not speak English. He tells me that XH is being pulled by the devil and he is struggling with the battle and falling deeper every day. He then said that I see that the OW put a "spell" on your XH. He said that he was against spells and that they did not sell anything like that in his store but there were many other shops around that did them. He said these spells are the work of the devil and unGodly.

Was there any reality in this or was it just mumbo jumbo? I just know that XH walks different (puts his head down walking the halls), acts and looks different (angry man who drinks). I do not even recognize him inside and out.

I do believe that the devil is breaking down our M everyday. It is such a breakdown of society and family. A tragedy.

No, they do this because they WANT to.

They don't need no help from the devil.

Actual mystical spell, no.

OM does not have the IQ to make a batch of Rice-Crispy treats.

An actual spell/potion would be so far out of his league that if he actually did try such a thing, it would backfire horrendously.

Gack, your OM sounds like that bit in the Simpsons where Homer tries to eat cold cereal...after he pours the milk the bowl bursts into flames.