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Here's some crazy stuff my ex did in about a 4 day period leading up to the ILUBNILWU speech:
1. Got extremely angry with DS5 when he didn't do well at a horse show
2. Forgot to pick me up from my vasectomy - she had to help POSOM with an emergency with his horses
3. Refused to have a picture of all 4 of us taken at a family reunion picnic
4. Took me shopping with her to buy sexy lingerie.
5. The I've changed, I'm a horse trainer now lead up to ILUBNILWU.
Me BH 49 WXW 50 Married 1998 DS 2002 DD 2005 D Day 1 7/28/08 D Day 2 8/19/08
Divorce Final 3/19/2009
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Changes all passwords on email account and delets all text messages "because you are snooping" not because he is hiding something. Opens FB account without your knowledge because "you don't have to be part of everything do you" and puts the security settings so high you can't even search for his name. Opens up second email account without your knowledge. Tells you one version of a story and his family a different one so that they are starting to doubt you. "We have changed" - Really? I hadn't at that point - so it must have been him. Bringing up his new best female friend in our separation conversation and then telling me "our break up has nothing to do with another woman" - I actually believe that's correct at this stage - it was "other WOMEN"
God, the list is endless...
BS:35(me) WH:32 DS 12/8 OW1: 2004 EA/PA? ILYBNILWY 4/09 OW2 2008/2009 EA/PA? Separated: 06/14/09 D-Day: OW3 PA 06/20/09 Am I married to a Serial Cheater?
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7. Starts taking a renewed interest in their appearance. examples of what my H did under #7: * starts using contacts * starts whitening teeth * spends long time in bathroom before going to work (OW was a coworker) My H's red-flag behavior before dday: * erratic driving, blew through a stop sign * constantly grumpy, engaged in minimal conversation w/me&kids (blamed it on stress when asked what was wrong) * didn't want involvement with events for the kids, like parent day at the school * constantly running out for errands, coffee, gas etc (so that he could make phone calls to OW) Re ILYBINILWY: My H's version of this speech was "our relationship has turned into friendship over time"...
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I thought I would compile the list into a complete one for all of the new Bs's to follow Indicators of Infidelity.
1. A sudden upturn in their demeanor or outlook on life. 2. Constantly late. 3. More possessive toward wallet, pocket calendar or briefcase. 4. Comes home more often with alcohol on breath. 5. Starts talking about getting together with old friends they haven't seen in years. 6. Starts shopping for new clothes. 7. Starts taking a renewed interest in their appearance. 8. Starts keeping an overnight bag in their car or office, ostensibly for a workout or a game of tennis. 9. Orders dishes or new household items never ordered before. 10. Does not look at other women/men as much as they used to. 11. Starts working late and on holidays and weekends. 12. Express opinions on subjects that they never had an interest in. 13. Takes a new interest in anticipated schedule. 14. Encourages you to visit parents or friends alone. 15. They give you gifts that show a new level of taste or insight about the opposite sex. 16. Car is kept free of paraphernalia belonging to you or the kids. 17. Starts attending extended seminars or conventions. 18. Start using new words and phrases. 19. At odd hours they start remembering things they forgot to do at the office. 20. They suggest that you open up separate checking accounts. 21. Often forget to wear wedding ring. 22. Takes the dog for much longer walks. 23. Makes more phone calls late at night. 24. A marked change of attitude towards secretary, colleagues or friends. 25. Suddenly takes up new hobbies or friends that take them out of the house in the evenings and weekends. 26. They talk about a movie they've seen but you have not. 27. They insist on answering the phone. 28. They call out a different name in sleep. 29. Smell of a different soap from the brand at home and/or you smell freshly showered at 1.00am. 30. They care about how breath smells. New mints, gum, etc. found around house. 31. Uses pre-paid calling card/pager/cell phone for the first time ever. 32. Loses a lot of weight and seems proud of new body. 33. Saddest list item is: change in die-hard pro-life feelings on abortion. 34. Gut feeling. The biggest indicator of an affair is just feeling that it is so. 35. Juvenile behavior and music interests!!! 36. Uses more kid slang than the kids!!!!! 37. Knows all the new pop singers and has CD's. 38. When they lose stuff they accuses you of gettting into their "stuff".... 39. Uses the ATM way too much! 40. All of a sudden, their attitude about people who cheat changes, e.g., "we shouldn't judge because we don't know their whole story." 41."It wasn't a dinner date - it was just a way of saying thank you for carpooling" 42."I never lied about being married - she never asked me, so I just didn't bring it up" 43. Grocery shopping and other excuses to get out "alone." 44.The one difference is that my Wife wants our kids to like the other person because in the back of her head she thinks she will be with him. Very sickening. !!!!!!!!!!! 45. Carries toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash at all times. 46. When other person is co-worker, can't wait to get to work each day . 47. Becomes great friends with people going through divorce. 48. Defends other who are/have/will cheat(ed/ing). 49. Distances themselves from those with strong (any) moral values. 50. Gets "coded" pager messages at all times of the day and night 51. Tries to have someone kill you 52. Starts to spend a great deal of time on the computer in a separate room 53. Phone bill goes up 54. Loses patience with spouse easily. 55. Becomes very defensive. 56. CONSTANTLY criticizes his or her BS 57. Confuses the term "happy" with the term "self gratfication" 58. Becomes extremely religious (remember "god" wants them to be "happy") 59. Does not remind you of your drs. sppt. coming up; Forgets you even have a drs. appt. 60. Asks passively how your day was, then quickly changes the subject. 61. Encourages spouse to "get out more" and to " get a life". 62. Changes ring tone on phone to silent (to silence the MANY texts and calls coming in daily) and never puts their phone down...even when going to the bathroom or sleeping. 63. Clears texts daily on a regular basis. 64. Changes passwords on device and on-line accounts 65. Accuses you of "spying/checking up/following me around" just for showing up unexpected. Even to your own house 66. Starts getting short with the kids 67. Starts accusing BS of cheating. 68. Says things like, "We're growing apart", "You've become more conservative, and I've become more liberal", "We/you have changed" 69. stop having sex with you. 70. Opens FB account without your knowledge because "you don't have to be part of everything do you" and puts the security settings so high you can't even search for his name. 71. Opens up second email account without your knowledge. 72. Tells you one version of a story and his family a different one so that they are starting to doubt you. 73. Stops telling you about their day. 74. Stops talking about that "friend" of the opposite sex 75. Uses the words, "we're just friends. Can't I have any friends? You just want me to be ALONE." 76. Tells you that you are boring/no longer fun. 77. Introduces new "positions" 78. Doesn't introduce you to new friends 79. Stops laughing and joking around with you. 80. Acts like a rebellious teenager. That is a LONG list. I understand that all WS's won't exhibit ALL of these but they sure do exhibit MOST of them.
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BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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I had 11 of the first 50. Then added a few of my own. Of the next 20 that came in I had several more - especially the "friends" ones.
In retrospect, I only really needed one.
34. Gut Feeling.
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Me: 43 y.o. BFWH, D-day 11/11/09 (NC since 9/01) Divorce from WW final 9/16/10. Current Status: MB-based Marriage to Nature Girl 12/8/12 (first date on 12/11/10) Mine: S(16), D(11) NatureGirls: S(23), D(21) Another EA Story
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That's true Opt. But I didn't listen to the gut feeling because I was gaslighted. HORRIBLE. I don't believe my WH is a good liar, I am just a good believer.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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#57 Confuses the term "happy" with the term "self gratfication" #57 is the suck. Going out drinking with (single) girl friends until all hours of the morning "makes me happy." The affair "made me happy." "I deserve to be happy." Makes me want to punch myself in the nuts, repeatedly.
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But I didn't listen to the gut feeling because I was gaslighted That's why is said "in retrospect" I read here something to the effect that BS's tend to minimize the situation with "it could have been worse" syndrome. Goes right along with not listening to your gut, IMV. I guess it's a protection mechanism. Me, I listened but not right away. opt
Me: 43 y.o. BFWH, D-day 11/11/09 (NC since 9/01) Divorce from WW final 9/16/10. Current Status: MB-based Marriage to Nature Girl 12/8/12 (first date on 12/11/10) Mine: S(16), D(11) NatureGirls: S(23), D(21) Another EA Story
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I don't believe my WH is a good liar, I am just a good believer. ......yep, me too!!!!!!
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For fun I just decided to see how many of these list items my WH exhibited over the past 2 years. HMMMMMM out of 78 so far he exhibited 50. That makes me SICK. Well, I now KNOW better so I will DO better.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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