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A Summary of Dr. Harley's Basic Concepts
You have just been introduced to all the Basic Concepts that I use whenever I try to save a marriage. If you apply them all to your marriage, you will do what most couples want to do, but have failed to do -- fall in love and stay in love. And that's what ultimately saves marriage -- restoring the feeling of love.
Of course, it takes much more than just the feeling of love to build a successful marriage. It takes your willingness and ability to care for and protect each other. But that feeling of incredible attraction is the best litmus test of your success in giving each other the care and protection that you need. If you are both in love, your Takers are convinced that the relationship is a good deal for both of you, and will not interfere with what's going on. Your Givers have free reign to provide each other the best of what you both have to offer.
When you are in love, your emotions help you meet each other's emotional needs. They provide instincts that you may not have even known you have -- instincts to be affectionate, sexual, conversational, recreational, honest and admiring. These all seem to come naturally when you are in love.
But when you fall out of love, everything that will help your marriage seems unnatural. Your instincts turn against marital recovery, and toward divorce. That's why I've created these Basic Concepts -- to help you do what it takes to restore your love for each other when you are not in love, when you don't feel like doing any of them. And then once your love is restored, these concepts will help you stay in love for the rest of your lives.
I present my summary of basic concepts in a slightly different order than they were first presented to you. When they are presented briefly, they're a little more logical when presented this way.
Basic Concept #1: The Love Bank
In my struggle to learn how to save marriages, I eventually discovered that the best way to do it was to teach couples how to fall in love with each other -- and stay in love. So I created a concept that I called the Love Bank to help couples understand how people fall in and out of love. This concept, perhaps more than any other that I created, helped couples realize that almost everything they did affected their love for each other either positively or negatively. And that awareness set most of them on a course of action that preserved their love and saved their marriages.
Within each of us is a Love Bank that keeps track of the way each person treats us. Everyone we know has an account and the things they do either deposit or withdraw love units from their accounts. It's your emotions' way of encouraging you to be with those who make you happy. When you associate someone with good feelings, deposits are made into that person's account in your Love Bank. And when the Love Bank reaches a certain level of deposits (the romantic love threshold), the feeling of love is triggered. As long as your Love Bank balance remains above that threshold, you will experience the feeling of love. But when it falls below that threshold, you will lose that feeling. You will like anyone with a balance above zero, but you will only be in love with someone whose balance is above the love threshold.
However, your emotions do not simply encourage you to be with those who make you happy -- they also discourage you from being with those who make you unhappy. Whenever you associate someone with bad feelings, withdrawals are made in your Love Bank. And if you withdraw more than you deposit, your Love Bank balance can fall below zero. When that happens the Love Bank turns into the Hate Bank. You will dislike those with moderate negative balances, but if the balance falls below the hate threshold, you will hate the person.
Try living with a spouse you hate! Your emotions are doing everything they can to get you out of there -- and divorce is one of the most logical ways to escape.
Couples usually ask for my advice when they are just about ready to throw in the towel. Their Love Banks have been losing love units so long that they are now deeply in the red. And their negative Love Bank accounts make them feel uncomfortable just being in the same room with each other. They cannot imagine surviving marriage for another year, let alone ever being in love again.
But that's my job -- to help them fall in love with each other again. I encourage them to stop making Love Bank withdrawals, and start making Love Bank deposits. I created all of the remaining Basic Concepts to help couples achieve those objectives.
Basic Concept #2: Instincts and Habits
Instincts are behavioral patterns that we are born with, and habits are patterns that we learn. Both of them tend to be repeated again and again almost effortlessly. They are important in our discussion of what it takes to be in love because it's our behavior that makes deposits and withdrawals from Love Banks, and our instincts and habits make up most of our behavior.
Instincts and habits can make Love Bank deposits, so it is imperative to know how to create those habits because once they are learned, deposits are made repeatedly and almost effortlessly.
Unfortunately, many of our instincts and habits, such as angry outbursts, contribute to Love Bank withdrawals. Since they are repeated so often, they play a very important role in the annihilation of Love Bank accounts. If we are to stop Love Bank withdrawals, we must somehow stop destructive instincts and habits in their tracks. Instincts are harder to stop than habits, but they can both be avoided.
As we discuss the remaining concepts, keep in mind the value of a good habit, and the harm of a bad habit, because their effect on Love Bank balances are multiplied by repetition.
Basic Concept #3: The Most Important Emotional Needs
How can you deposit love units into each other's Love Banks the fastest? That's a question I asked literally hundreds of couples when I was first learning how to save marriages. Eventually their answer became clear to me -- you must meet each other's most important emotional needs.
You and your spouse fell in love with each other because you made each other very happy, and you made each other happy because you met some of each other's important emotional needs. The only way you and your spouse will stay in love is to keep meeting those needs. Even when the feeling of love begins to fade, or when it's gone entirely, it's not necessarily gone for good. It can be recovered whenever you both go back to making large Love Bank deposits.
First, be sure you know what each other's most important emotional needs are (complete the Emotional Needs Questionnaire). Then, learn to meet the needs that are rated the highest in a way that is fulfilling to your spouse, and enjoyable for you, too.
It's likely that you and your spouse do not prioritize your needs in the same order of importance. A highly important need for you may not be as important to your spouse. So you may find yourself trying to meet needs that seem unimportant to you. But your spouse depends on you to meet those needs, and it's the most effective and efficient way for you make large Love Bank deposits.
Basic Concept #4: The Policy of Undivided Attention
Unless you and your spouse schedule time each week for undivided attention, it will be impossible to meet each other's most important emotional needs. So to help you and your spouse clear space in your schedule for each other, I have written the Policy of Undivided Attention: Give your spouse your undivided attention a minimum of fifteen hours each week, using the time to meet the emotional needs of affection, conversation, recreational companionship and sexual fulfillment. This policy will help you avoid one of the most common mistakes in marriage -- neglecting each other.
This Basic Concept not only helps guarantee that you will meet each other's emotional needs, but it also unlocks the door to the use of all the other basic concepts. Without time for undivided attention you will not be able to avoid Love Busters and you will not be able to negotiate effectively. Time for undivided attention is the necessary ingredient for everything that's important in marriage.
And yet, as soon as most couples marry, and especially when children arrive, couples usually replace their time together with activities of lesser importance. You probably did the same thing. You tried to meet each other's needs with time "left over," but sadly, there wasn't much time left over. Your lack of private time together may have become a great cause of unhappiness, and yet you felt incapable of preventing it. You may have also found yourself bottling up your honest expression of feelings because there was just no appropriate time to talk.
Make your time to be alone with each other your highest priority -- that way it will never be replaced by activities of lesser value. Your career, your time with your children, maintenance of your home, and a host of other demands will all compete for your time together. But if you follow the Policy of Undivided Attention, you will not let anything steal from those precious and crucial hours together.
I suggest that you (a) spend time away from children and friends whenever you give each other your undivided attention; (b) use the time to meet the emotional needs of affection, conversation, recreational companionship, and sexual fulfillment; and (c) schedule at least fifteen hours together each week. When you were dating, you gave each other this kind of attention and you fell in love. When people have affairs, they also give each other this kind of attention to keep their love for each other alive. Why should courtship and affairs be the only times love is created? Why can't it happen in marriage as well? It can, if you set aside time every week to give each other undivided attention.
Basic Concept #5: Love Busters
When you meet each other's most important emotional needs, you become each other's source of greatest happiness. But if you are not careful, you can also become each other's source of greatest unhappiness.
It's pointless to deposit love units if you withdraw them right away. So in addition to meeting important emotional needs, you must be sure to protect your spouse, and the Love Bank, from withdrawals. And paying attention to how your everyday behavior can make each other unhappy does that.
You and your spouse were born to be demanding, disrespectful, angry, annoying, independent (insensitive) and dishonest. These are normal human traits that I call Love Busters because they destroy the feeling of love spouses have for each other. But if you promise to avoid being the cause of your spouse's unhappiness, you will do whatever it takes to overcome these destructive tendencies for your spouse's protection. By eliminating Love Busters, you will not only be protecting your spouse, but you will also be preserving your spouse's love for you.
Basic Concept #6: The Policy of Radical Honesty
It isn't easy to be honest. Honesty is an unpopular value these days, and most couples have not made this commitment to each other. Many marriage counselors and clergymen argue that honesty is not always the best policy. They believe that it's cruel to disclose past indiscretions and it's selfish to make such disclosures. While it makes you feel better to get a mistake off your chest, it causes your partner to suffer. So, they argue, the truly caring thing to do is to lie about your mistakes or at least keep them tucked away.
And if it's compassionate to lie about sins of the past, why isn't it also compassionate to lie about sins of the present -- or future? To my way of thinking, it's like letting the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. Eventually you will be dining with the camel. Either honesty is always right, or you'll always have an excuse for being dishonest.
To help remind couples how important honesty is in marriage, I have written the Policy of Radical Honesty: Reveal to your spouse as much information about yourself as you know; your thoughts, feelings, habits, likes, dislikes, personal history, daily activities, and plans for the future.
Self-imposed honesty with your spouse is essential to your marriage's safety and success. Honesty will not only bring you closer to each other emotionally, it will also prevent the creation of destructive habits that are kept secret from your partner.
The Policy of Radical Honesty combined with the Policy of Joint Agreement are two guidelines that will help you create an open and integrated lifestyle, one that will guarantee your love for each other. They also prevent the creation of a secret second life where infidelity, the greatest threat to your marriage, can grow like mold in a damp, dark cellar.
Basic Concept #7: The Giver and Taker
Have you ever thought that your spouse is possessed? One moment he or she is loving and thoughtful, and the next you are faced with selfishness and thoughtlessness. Trust me, it's not a demon you're up against, it's the two sides of our personalities. I call them the Giver and the Taker.
All of us want to make a difference in the lives of other. We want others to be happy, and we want to contribute to their happiness. When we feel that way, our Giver is influencing us. The Giver's rule is do whatever you can to make others happy and avoid anything that makes others unhappy, even if it makes you unhappy. It encourages us to use that rule in our relationships with other people.
But we also want the best for ourselves. We want to be happy, too. When we feel that way, our Taker is influencing us. The Taker's rule is do whatever you can to make yourself happy, and avoid anything that makes yourself unhappy, even if it makes others unhappy. If that rule ever makes sense to you, it's because your Taker is in control.
These two primitive aspects of our personality are usually balanced in our dealings with others. But in marriage they tend to take turns being in charge. And that leads to most of the problems that couples encounter. If we take the advice of our Giver, we are willing to suffer to make our spouse happy, and if we take the advice of our Taker, we are willing to let our spouse suffer to make us happy. In either case the advice we are given is short sighted because someone always gets hurt.
Basic Concept #8: The Three States of Mind in Marriage
The Giver and Taker create moods that I call states of mind. These states of mind have a tremendous influence on the way a husband and wife try to resolve conflicts. But in each of the three states of mind, negotiation is almost impossible. That's what makes negotiation, in general, so tough in marriage.
When we are in love and happy, we are usually in the State of Intimacy. That state of mind is controlled by the Giver, which encourages us to follow the Giver's rule: do whatever you can to make your spouse happy and avoid anything that makes your spouse unhappy, even if it makes you unhappy. That rule can lead to habits that may be good for our spouse, but can be disastrous for us because we are not negotiating with our own interests in mind.
Sadly, flawed agreements made in the state of Intimacy can lead to our own unhappiness, and that in turn wakes the slumbering Taker. As long as we are happy, our Taker has nothing to do, but when we start feeling unhappy, our Taker rises to our rescue and triggers the State of Conflict. With the Taker now in charge, we are encouraged to follow the rule: do whatever you can to make yourself happy, and avoid anything that makes yourself unhappy, even if it makes others unhappy. The Taker also encourages us to be demanding, disrespectful and angry in an effort to force our spouse to make us happy. Fighting is the Taker's favorite "negotiating" strategy.
When fighting doesn't work, and we are still unhappy, the Taker encourages us to take a new course of action that triggers the State of Withdrawal. Instead of trying to force our spouse to make us happy, our Taker wants us to give up on our spouse entirely. We don't want our spouse to do anything for us, and we certainly don't want to do anything for our spouse. In this state of mind we are emotionally divorced.
How can couples work their way back to the state of Intimacy once they find themselves trapped in the state of Withdrawal? And once they are back, how can they stay there? The answers to those questions are found in the next Basic Concept.
Basic Concept #9: The Policy of Joint Agreement
Marital instincts do not lead to fair negotiation. They either lead to giving away the store (state of Intimacy) or robbing the bank (state of Conflict). And in the state of Withdrawal, no one even feels like negotiating. Yet, in order to meet each other's most important needs and avoid Love Busters consistently and effectively, fair negotiation is crucial in marriage.
You need a rule to help you override the shortsighted advice of your Giver and Taker. Their advice is shortsighted because regardless of the rule, someone gets hurt. We get hurt when we follow the Giver's advice and our spouse gets hurt when we follow the Taker's advice. So I've created a rule to guarantee that no one gets hurt, and that's the ultimate goal in fair negotiation. I call this rule the Policy of Joint Agreement: Never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse.
Almost everything you do affects each other. So it's very important to know what that effect will be before you actually do it. The Policy of Joint Agreement will help you remember to consult with each other to be sure you avoid being the cause of each other's unhappiness. It also makes negotiation necessary, regardless of your state of mind. If you agree to this policy, you will not be able to do anything without the enthusiastic agreement of the other, so it forces you to discuss your plans, and negotiate with each other's feelings in mind. Without safe and pleasant negotiation, you will simply not be able to reach an enthusiastic agreement.
Basic Concept #10: Four Guidelines for Successful Negotiation
If you and your spouse are in conflict about anything, I recommend that you do nothing until you can both agree enthusiastically about a resolution. But how should you go about coming to that agreement? I suggest you follow four essential guidelines.
Guideline 1: Set ground rules to make negotiation pleasant and safe.
Ground rule 1: Try to be pleasant and cheerful throughout negotiations Ground rule 2: Put safety first. Do not make demands, show disrespect, or become angry when you negotiate, even if your spouse makes demands, shows disrespect or becomes angry with you.
Ground rule 3: If you reach an impasse and you do not seem to be getting anywhere, or if one of you is starting to make demands, show disrespect or become angry, stop negotiating and come back to the issue later.
Guideline 2: Identify the problem from both perspectives with mutual respect for those perspectives.
Guideline 3: Brainstorm with abandon - give your creativity a chance to discover solutions that would make you both happy. Carry a pad and pencil with you to jot down ideas as you think of them throughout the day.
Guideline 4: Choose the solution that meets the conditions of the Policy of Joint Agreement best - mutual and enthusiastic agreement.
Whenever a conflict arises keep in mind the importance of finding a solution that will deposit as many love units as possible, while avoiding withdrawals. And be sure that the way you find that solution also deposits love units and avoids withdrawals.
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Flowers might be a bit much. I would just thank her and let her know you really appreciate her trust.
As long as she is emotionally tied to the OW, she won't be too interested. The object is to show her you are the man she fell in love with.
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that was the type of guy I was...always doing stuff for her, making her cards, buy flowers...etc
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Do you have any idea what emotional needs the OW is meeting that you aren't?
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I believe it's spending quality time, listening, talking sharing feelings probably. The OW was trying to have a relationship with someone else when my wife met her but from what I gather from facebook and some details from my wife before this all came down. The woman she, the OW was after, sounded like she was stringing her along sig others one day and not the next. The OW would always comment one her facebook and send messages but it was not returned in foavor to the OW. So I think she got tired of chasing her and preyed on my wife who can be vulnerable at times. She got caught up in someone at work one time who ended up being a thief and didn't see some signs that she should have to stay away...luckily she never got involved or dragged in other than to answer some questions. I know I didn't make time for just her and me to do stuff, well we both didn't as we became so involved with hanging out with neighbours we never had a free weekend and if we did the kids filled it up for us. I never talked about my feelings or what went on at work etc. occupational hazard i guess to block stuff out. I didn't listen to her feelings or needs especially when she was telling me our relationship was in trouble. Half the time she would try talking at 2330hrs after working a 12hrs day and I still had to work the next day. How does it work though about what she didn't meet in my needs? Do I just forget about it? Some of my needs I denied myself i think by not letting myself get emotionally close to her and i think because I was afraid to get close and lose her like my parents. I don't know why but that's all I can think of for that type of behaviour. My wife and the OW just seem to spend a lot of time together at the OW's apartment listening to music, i guess dancing, playing Wii, they took my kids skiing for march break...it sounds like quality time to me. I truely believe they had at least 1 physical interaction but I don't think it was for my wife, nobody who knows her thinks she would be into that at all or long term.
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I can imagine how hard 12 hour days are. I've always admired RN's and the long dedicated hours they work.
So what did she say specifically about the marriage being in trouble?
I promise you that the OW really has NOTHING to do with your problems. If she hadn't been available when your wife was vulnerable, it could have been a billy-goat.
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she hasn't really because she keeps saying she has issues herself she needs to deal with before shes ready to talk about marriage counseling. its like shes not sure she wants to or not.
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I'm so lost here ....... What things did she complain about?
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she hasnt really complained to me at all...she won't really talk about it or get into it with me as she feels she has other issues with herself that she needs to deal with first before the marriage. but I don't know what those are either....I'm sure one of them has to do with finding me stepping off a ladder to hang myself. She and the kids moved in with her parents for the protection of the kids and I guess her...which left me at home alone to deal with my depression on my own and go to groups and such. so i have been under a microscope by her and her parents to get better which I have resolved 95% of my issues from before. But while ill I found out that she was going to have asked for a trail separation anyways (thought of before illness) as well as she was having this affair (surprise surprise she wanted a separation easier to have an affair that way). So while the 5% left from my illness is self esteem issues of never feeling good enough for her or that I did anything right for her and now shes having an affair...I'm suppose to remain as calm as a cucumber but had trouble because of the huge emotions I've been having as her parents are allowing this affair to happen right under their noses...yet they think they are protecting my kids from me....it's her they need to fear! I'm good now and will be for a very long time!
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i wonder if she had feelings for the OW BEFORE your episode? I'm not sure of the timing, but is that possible?
Her parents think they are doing the right thing. Most parents are very blind about their adulterous grown kids, or accept excuses. That is just the way it is. And right now the focus is on you. Once you are on an even keel, they may start looking at the OW, but don't count on it.
You are doing well, all things considered.
Oh, and the wanting to work on her issues is affair speak for wanting to continue the affair unhindered.
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yes I beleive she did have feelings prior to my episode because she was planning on asking for a trial separation before my depression hit, and had been spending time with the OW prior as well, I was slightly concerned before depressive episode but not really as I figured it was just a new friend but with all the new interest in visiting her and constant texting and hiding cell phone i was curious, and then when I became depressed and very paranoid i began to spy and dig only to find out what I had suspected. And all of the relationship issues for the OW was taking place at the same time....opportunity knocks eh? Yes I understand the "asking for a seratation" is generally understood as "I want to be able to carry out an affair easier than if I live with you" thought. I am on an even keel when it comes to my depression but she and her family are using my emotions from the affair as ammunition against me for my depressive episode when it's just [censored] luck that it happened at the same time. So I'm curious why you have taken an interest in me and my story and you seem to be the only one apart from the one other person rubberband person? how did you stuble across my sad chapter in my life? and what interests you? Can you tell me abit about yourself believer?
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I suspect you have a lot of people following this thread. It's just that I don't have anything to add to what believer has said.
I don't think your WW is all that much into the OW.
I think if you follow the MB principles you'll do fine. Do a strong Plan A: meet WW's ENs, avoid LBs. Continue to snoop and when you have concrete proof blow the doors off the A with exposure. Then things will start to happen.
Right now, you just Plan A, Snoop, and Wait.
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I agree with Turtlehead. The choice of who the OW is, is just like any other A. In my case, the POSOW is SINGLE and has been the whole time. My WH at one point, was even trying to set her up with someone(I guess he found someone for her  ). It may be that your WW has had tendencies towards being bisexual before this and she just decided to "check it out". It may be that she didn't really look at it like "cheating" before because it is with a woman not a man. As far as how this affects what you do, it's no different than anything you would do if there was OM instead of OW. I think you need to focus on doing a SOLID Plan A and taking care of yourself.
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I'm interested in your situation because I see a lot of hope for recovering your marriage. And you seem to be very willing to work on things.
I'm divorced, but did try to save the marriage for a long time.
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Thank-you to all who popped out of the woodwork....holy crap I didn't realize you were there....it's kind've a nice feeling  I AM VERY WILLING to work on things for my children, myself and my wife as I know this is not her normal thinking. After 18yrs I do know somethings about my wife.  I'm not sure how I can blow the doors off of her with the whole affair thing as she has been told by me prior that I consider this an affair, she doesn't seem to be bothered by what she is doing. Although I did notice on her google search history that she looked un the provincial laws as it pertains to infidelity! Perhaps a little bit of guilt here? And she is a little possed that some of her friends know what is going on, more guilt? At what point does she finally say [censored] I was wrong? I asked her why she thought this behaviour would be ok? She stated cause she figured I was sleeping around. But never confronted me or eluded to me that she was suspicious. That hurt. I welcome all suggestions, I'm trying to read over the basic principles and get them engrained into my head as to practise them to my best ability. Picked up another book today on marriages to start reading. Well I have to take the boy to therapy...of which my wife hasn't told the therapist about the relationship issues....just my mental health, sweet eh?
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WS often tell you that they believe you too are having an A. My WH told me this NUMEROUS times after Dday(some before too) So much so, that the day I was going into Plan B, my Dad came to pick me up(it was my Bday). My WH said, "You ride is here." I said, "yea, it's my Dad." WH said, "Or your BOYFRIEND". Just the other night, DS9 was talking to WH and was complaining that I was sending them to bed early(they were CRANKY). DS9 said, "We have to go to bed early because of HIM." Then I heard him say, "No Daddy, DS7 who else?" WH is living with POSOW and he is worried that I have a boyfriend. If your WW says that she thinks you have an AP you can use this pocket response given to me(it works WONDERS). "I believe in a marriage with only 2 people, would you like a cookie(or some other ridiculous thing you can say to change the subject)?" Take care of yourself and focus on your kids. 
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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Thank-you for your input Scotland i will try that phrase. My wife does not like to get into conversations these days...only wants to talk about kids. Which is fine with me to talk about kids as they need to be looked after foresure. But I think she is still justifying what she is doing so there is not point in talking about it. You ppl and your short forms...it's hard to gt what you are saying sometimes! :P
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You should not be talking about the relationship AT ALL(unless she brings it up). Which abbreviations are you having trouble with?
Here is a list of abrv that we use the MOST
BS(W/H)- Betrayed spouse(wife/husband this would be YOU) WS(W/H)- Wayward spouse(wife/husband-this would be HER) DS/DD-Dear son/ Dear daughter(the number behind it is their age since I have DSx2(dear son times 2). AP- Affair partner(OW/OM) POSOW-Piece of(you know what)other woman Dday-discovery day.
These are the ones used the most so it should help. If you think this is hard, you should have seen how I used to write to people.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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Well I guess I failed there in not talking about the relationship unless she brings it up. My wife and I just took our DS9 (there) to therapy and had to sit in the car together filling out paperwork on him. After we were done I, yes I, started to talk abit with my emotions undercontrol because I still don't know what her issues are. She said that the suicide it's even the strongest thing on her mind. She says that she has feelings and issues that "she" needs to talk to a therapist about before we can get help. It almost sounds like she needs to check with someone whether she should try and work on it or just say screw it and not waste anyones time. I asked her if there was anything I could clarify or try and answer for her as I am thinking and listening more clear than I ever have. I get an "uh huh" type answer....is it because for years I haven't been listening to her and she doesn't believe me? I still get the impression that she doesn't feel what is going on is wrong.
Me 35 W 33 Married 7yrs Together 18yrs Children 2
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