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Ask away.

The events described happened after the divorce and after our marriage.

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Originally Posted by _Larry_
Ask away.

The events described happened after the divorce and after our marriage.

Larry

But the case preamble indicates you married her just 16 days after the divorce was final and you've indicated on the other thread that you shared your historical honesty with her over the course of at least six (6) months prior to your marriage.

How is that not an affair?

Was she or was she not married when you first starting speaking or communicating with her over the internet?

How does or did her X characterize your relationship? Did he even know prior to the final divorce?

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Originally Posted by MrWondering
But the case preamble indicates you married her just 16 days after the divorce was final

REALLY?

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Absolutely it was an emotional affair.

And upon learning what I have learned from MB, caused me some personal grief with myself. I did not find it improper at the time based on what I knew at the time. Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce. Does this make me accountable for MrsW attempting to discredit me? I don't control her, she does, to state the obvious.

How does this make me a bad guy now?

Her X was not happy with the divorce. He called CPS at least three times, each time to no avail. He did not want a divorce and she did. During the times we spoke, I asked her numerous times why she was getting a divorce. She answered with statements that led me to believe her course was justified.

And I am old enough and even at that time, wise enough that I could vet her statements against reality. In the light of 20/20 hindsight, it turned out that she was addressing reality.

Is your investigation after the fact and my answers enough to justify MrsW's very personal attack on me and my integrity, or do you need more. In your investigation of me, I will most be pleased to help you in anyway I can.

I have nothing to hide. I came here to learn and I did. I continue to learn. Right now I am reading Dr. Harley's latest book which was sent to me by someone on the board. I have dozens of emails and on line expressions of thanks to the point where I am very secure in what I do and the level of support I give to MB concepts and the folks who need it on the forum.

And of course, the question is as LG states, "Who did you piss off?" And indeed, that is a question I might ask of you. But I won't because my understanding of group dynamics is enough for me to understand. It is impossible for anyone to to generate a lot of posts and not piss off someone. Just today, I saw someone get mad at Schoolbus. And she is one of the best of the best on here with quality advice.

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What? I must comment on this:


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Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce.

I've given many a divorcing friend "emotional support". I never married any of them 2 weeks after their divorce.
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Originally Posted by Pepperband
What? I must comment on this:


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Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce.

I've given many a divorcing friend "emotional support". I never married any of them 2 weeks after their divorce.
doh2

This is so reminding me of my husband's claim:

"We're JUST friends."

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
What? I must comment on this:


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Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce.

I've given many a divorcing friend "emotional support". I never married any of them 2 weeks after their divorce.
doh2

Yea, I know Pep. I acted out of ignorance and misplaced sympathy. I learned and paid the price of learning. I also gave advice and comfort to divorcing men and women before. I never married one. That I eventually did is a cross I carry around. Six months to a year AFTER a divorce you can start that conversation, and not sooner.

Thanks.

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Larry, this ....

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Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce.

... is a lie.
You'd have been telling the truth if you said:

I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone I was in love with and having an affair with, who was in the process of divorce.





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Another thing I learned is that many women want to have a safe place to land after the divorce is final. I had no clue, but I do now. My explanation to myself was that I was trapped by my on unjustified hubris. That humbled me.

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Originally Posted by _Larry_
I had no clue.

Sorry Larry, this also has a false ring to it.

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Originally Posted by Larry
How does this make me a bad guy now?

Maybe...that depends on you.

Have you repented?

Have you made amends to your biggest victims (her 1st xh and your step-children)?

I want you to get this. You've got young impressionable son's [and step children] around that need proper raising.

YOU WERE WRONG and if you haven't acknowledged and apologized for it then I don't know who you are. It's not that God, honor, country or "innately decent" guy you have claimed to be the last few days.

Why did you withhold this information?

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Larry, this ....

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Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce.

... is a lie.
You'd have been telling the truth if you said:

I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone I was in love with and having an affair with, who was in the process of divorce.



Yes, true. It was an emotional affair and I wrote that based on what I have learned from MB. And I knew at the time I was falling in love with this person I was trying to help.

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Originally Posted by _Larry_
And I knew at the time I was falling in love with this person I was trying to help.

No !

You married after 2 weeks.
There was a lot more emotional investment than "falling in love" going on.
Either you were IN LOVE, or you married a person you were not already in love with.

Make up your mind.

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trying to help

.... This is untrue.
Trying to help is something I am familiar with.

TRYING TO MARRY is what you were doing.


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Originally Posted by _Larry_
Absolutely it was an emotional affair.

And upon learning what I have learned from MB, caused me some personal grief with myself. I did not find it improper at the time based on what I knew at the time. Instead, I viewed it as giving emotional support to someone who was in process of divorce. Does this make me accountable for MrsW attempting to discredit me? I don't control her, she does, to state the obvious.

How does this make me a bad guy now?

Her X was not happy with the divorce. He called CPS at least three times, each time to no avail. He did not want a divorce and she did. During the times we spoke, I asked her numerous times why she was getting a divorce. She answered with statements that led me to believe her course was justified.

And I am old enough and even at that time, wise enough that I could vet her statements against reality. In the light of 20/20 hindsight, it turned out that she was addressing reality.

Is your investigation after the fact and my answers enough to justify MrsW's very personal attack on me and my integrity, or do you need more. In your investigation of me, I will most be pleased to help you in anyway I can.

I have nothing to hide. I came here to learn and I did. I continue to learn. Right now I am reading Dr. Harley's latest book which was sent to me by someone on the board. I have dozens of emails and on line expressions of thanks to the point where I am very secure in what I do and the level of support I give to MB concepts and the folks who need it on the forum.

And of course, the question is as LG states, "Who did you piss off?" And indeed, that is a question I might ask of you. But I won't because my understanding of group dynamics is enough for me to understand. It is impossible for anyone to to generate a lot of posts and not piss off someone. Just today, I saw someone get mad at Schoolbus. And she is one of the best of the best on here with quality advice.

Larry


Thank you for coming clean.

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If you cared about your step children you wouldn't have been the driving force to alienate them from their father.***edit**** Me thinks your exWW's husband has every reason to be suspicious after what you did to her first husband.

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Originally Posted by _Larry_
And I knew at the time I was falling in love with this person I was trying to help.

No !

You married after 2 weeks.
There was a lot more emotional investment than "falling in love" going on.
Either you were IN LOVE, or you married a person you were not already in love with.

Make up your mind.

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trying to help

.... This is untrue.
Trying to help is something I am familiar with.

TRYING TO MARRY is what you were doing.



Did you also marry quickly believing the courts would be obligated to "honor" a remarriage and allow the "primary custodial parent" to move from Kentucky to Texas with her kids.

After all the school year was about to begin in Texas just 2 weeks after you married (4 weeks after the divorce)?????

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Originally Posted by MrWondering
Originally Posted by Larry
How does this make me a bad guy now?

Maybe...that depends on you.

Have you repented?

To myself, sure. I have lived and learned

Have you made amends to your biggest victims (her 1st xh and your step-children)?

And how am I supposed to do this? My X was in process of divorce. I had nothing to do with that. Her X is and always be a flaming jerk. I was not the cause the divorce. How could you get this impression? Mr.W, you are reaching.

I want you to get this. You've got young impressionable son's [and step children] around that need proper raising.

Oh, I get this. In spades.

YOU WERE WRONG and if you haven't acknowledged and apologized for it then I don't know who you are. It's not that God, honor, country or "innately decent" guy you have claimed to be the last few days.

No, you don't know who I am. You are engaged in a continuation of a personal attack using all means at your disposal to justify it including a post fact investigation to flame me using MB concepts and holding me accountable for knowing them BEFORE I came here to be educated and directed to learn.

Why did you withhold this information?

Excuse me? That sounds like a straw man to me. Care to add context?


Mr. Wondering

Keep working on it MrW. I am sure you will eventually find something you can hang me with. If in your mind you haven't already. Up to you.

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Originally Posted by _Larry_
Yea, I know Pep. I acted out of ignorance and misplaced sympathy.

Larry, allow me to be honest and blunt.
What's pissing me off right now is NOT your past.
NO!
What is pissing me off it is what you are writing today.


You SAY you acted out of "ignorance" ... well, maybe I can buy that, a little.
If you wish to proclaim yourself so ignorant at an advanced age, who am I to disagree.
Be careful of making excuses Larry, they tend to identify your character.

BUT, you also say "misplaced sympathy" ... and I can honestly say to you that this comment of yours ... is complete horse manure.
I 100% don't believe you.
You acted out of lust/love and coveting another man's wife.

Why claim the motives of "ignorance" and "sympathetic"?
Because they seem noble. Right?

Larry ... you know, and I know, NO ONE marries after 2 weeks when they are motivated by sympathetic ignorance.

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Originally Posted by PSUBIKER
If you cared about your step children you wouldn't have been the driving force to alienate them from their father. ***edit**** Me thinks your exWW's husband has every reason to be suspicious after what you did to her first husband.

Yep, points made PSU. On the other hand, husband had already alienated his kids and continues to do that to this day. I was NOT the driving force to alienate him, he was. Can you say Stalker? It was a serious mess. He would run off with the kids for a week at a time in an effort to force X to engage in the marriage again. She wanted as far away from him as she could get, which in retrospect was one of the main reasons for befriending me.

Larry

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