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Your wife will have lots of ups and downs, and this will go on and on and on. Just a consequence of the affair.

So how would that have worked? You thought about bringing the OW here? What about your family?


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DH,

I recommend that you ask for a leave from your job for a week and head home.

Marriage comes before a job!!!!

You need to sit down and let your wife ask every possible question she may have and answer them honestly. It will feel like hell on earth, but she needs to know what she needs to know.

One big down load of information is better that the trickle of info week after week.





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I'll answer the questions a little later today and give you an update.

Right now I am getting ready to go to my first appointment with a councilor. Excited, nervous and scared to death that I am worse off then I think.


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I'm optimistic about the councilor but not sure how much help she will be. I understand today was just the introduction meeting so I'm not judging.

Now back to tst's comment...In a little over 2 weeks I will be going home for 3 weeks for training. If I was to leave for a week now I would not have a job to come back to.

We talked a little this morning and aren't doing anything dramtic right now.


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Just curious. What did your counselor say?

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After a lot of questions a little "no duh" advise she said that we are going to work on my selfishness. One thing she did say too was that as long as broken and I are apart we are going to have to work even harder.

One reason I have reservations was she hasn't heard of Dr. Harley and his program and this website. I know there are a lot out there and didn't expect for complete knowledge but it would have been more comforting to know she had at least heard of him.

I have an appointment next week, it's free through the military right now so I will stick with it.

As I was driving home thinging about some of the questions one that will keep me coming back is "Do you have a support network?" I have my parents to talk about things with but they are parents, I have friends here but they don't really have any good advise but will listen. I don't tell them all.

The best person to talk to is broken which we are.

If nothing else I may keep going for the free sessions for nothing more then an opportunity to say things out loud so I can hear them out loud.

Long story short keeping an opn mind for now.

I will stay here and keep reading. Thanks all.

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AHEM......did you forget about this place. It is my BIGGEST and BEST support. It is here 24/7, even on Christmas day. It is a sounding board and you can get the support from people who have been where you are and where you want to be. It is a great support system and I wouldn't want you to overlook it. laugh


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Well, you have a great support network here. I do wish that your counselor was familiar with the MB plan because it has a proven track record.

If I were you, I would invest in one call to the Harleys. It is expensive and probably not covered by your insurance.

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I have not and will not forget about this support from all of you. I know it will do more for me and us then any councelor.

The experience and knowledge here is outstanding. I am trying to learn from you all so that I can make this job of repairing my marraige successful.

I have other things to ask but right now I am going to knock them around in my head. When you are in training they say the only stupid question is the one not asked but I am not goign to ask them right now.

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I know that the answer to this question is going to be---months, years, have patients, need to give her time, etc---but I am going to ask again...

At what point will the focus shift from the A to the recovery and repair of the marraige? I know the BS needs to come to some sort of terms with the act but wouldn't that be better achieved by concentrating on the now rather than the then.

No need to answer, just my pea brain talking to it's self.

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Well, I will tell you that it's different for everyone I am sure. It has been said that the average time to recover is 2 years. Some will be sooner and some will be later.

DH, I know that to you this is your past. That's because you knew all along. You had all of that time to reconcile it all in your head. The problem is that for Broken, she doesn't have all of the answers. Heck, she doesn't even know what all of the questions are yet. Be patient. Be loving. Work with the MB concepts.

Look back at your posts from the beginning. Do you remember him? He was so full of despair. Look how far you have come in such a short time. Learn everything you can. Read it all again if you have to. You will get there. It will be worth it.


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Before my last post I did read back through my thread,

I understand that it is still new for her. I am continuing to show patients, love and work on the concepts.

I mostly just needed to ask and I would rather ask here then let my canary @$$ overload my alligator mouth when I am talking to Broken.

Thanks


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Originally Posted by deerhunter71
Before my last post I did read back through my thread,

I understand that it is still new for her. I am continuing to show patients, love and work on the concepts.

I mostly just needed to ask and I would rather ask here then let my canary @$$ overload my alligator mouth when I am talking to Broken.

Thanks

rotflmao

I'm sorry, that was too funny. I can see why you got the new job.

Have you read Joseph's Letter? If not, I will getcha a link.

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Not a link, I have it pasted in a folder on my desktop. It's that good. laugh

Originally Posted by Joseph's letter
JOSEPH'S LETTER

"To Whomever,

"I know you are feeling the pain of guilt and confusion. I understand that you wish all this never happened and that you wish it would just go away. I can even believe that you truly love me and that your indiscretion hurts you emotionally much the same way it hurts me. I understand your apprehension to me discovering little by little, everything that led up to your indiscretion, everything that happened that night, and everything that happened afterwards. I understand. No one wants to have a mistake or misjudgment thrown in his or her face repeatedly. No one wants to be forced to "look" at the thing that caused all their pain over and over again. I can actually see, that through your eyes, you are viewing this whole thing as something that just needs to go away, something that is over, that he/she doesn't mean anything to you, so why is it such a big issue? I can understand you wondering why I torture myself with this continuously, and thinking, doesn't he/she know by now that I love him/her? I can see how you can feel this way and how frustrating it must be. But for the remainder of this letter I'm going to ask you to view my reality through my eyes.

"You were there. There is no detail left out from your point of view. Like a puzzle, you have all the pieces and you are able to reconstruct them and be able to understand the whole picture, the whole message, or the whole meaning. You know exactly what that picture is and what it means to you and if it can effect your life and whether or not it continues to stir your feelings. You have the pieces, the tools, and the knowledge. You can move through your life with 100% of the picture you compiled. If you have any doubts, then at least you're carrying all the information in your mind and you can use it to derive conclusions or answers to your doubts or question. You carry all the "STUFF" to figure out OUR reality. There isn't really any information, or pieces to the puzzle that you don't have.

"Now let's enter my reality. Let's both agree that this affects our lives equally. The outcome no matter what it is well affect us both. Our future and our present circumstances are every bit as important to me as it is to you. So, why then is it okay for me to be left in the dark? Do I not deserve to know as much about the night that nearly destroyed our relationship as you do? Just like you, I am also able to discern the meaning of certain particulars and innuendoes of that night and just like you, I deserve to be given the opportunity to understand what nearly brought our relationship down. To assume that I can move forward and accept everything at face value is unrealistic and unless we stop thinking unrealistically I doubt our lives well ever "feel" complete. You have given me a puzzle. It is a 1000 piece puzzle and 400 random pieces are missing. You expect me to assemble the puzzle without the benefit of looking at the picture on the box. You expect me to be able to discern what I am looking at and to appreciate it in the same context as you. You want me to be as comfortable with what I see in the picture as you are. When I ask if there was a tree in such and such area of the picture you tell me don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask whether there were any animals in my puzzle you say don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask if there was a lake in that big empty spot in my puzzle you say, what's the difference, it's not important. Then later when I'm expected to "understand" the picture in my puzzle you fail to understand my disorientation and confusion. You expect me to feel the same way about the picture as you do but deny me the same view as you. When I express this problem you feel compelled to admonish me for not understanding it, for not seeing it the way you see it. You wonder why I can't just accept whatever you chose to describe to me about the picture and then be able to feel the same way you feel about it.

"So, you want me to be okay with everything. You think you deserve to know and I deserve to wonder. You may honestly feel that the whole picture, everything that happened is insignificant because in your heart you know it was a mistake and wish it never happened. But how can I know that? Faith? Because you told me so? Would you have faith if the tables were turned? Don't you understand that I want to believe you completely? But how can I? I can never know what is truly in your mind and heart. I can only observe you actions, and what information I have acquired and slowly, over time rebuild my faith in your feelings. I truly wish it were easier.

"So, there it is, as best as I can put it. That is why I ask questions. That is where my need to know is derived from. And that is why it is unfair for you to think that we can effectively move forward and unfair for you to accuse me of dwelling on the past. My need to know stems from my desire to hold our world together. It doesn't come from jealousy, it doesn't come from spitefulness, and it doesn't come from a desire to make you suffer. It comes from the fact that I love you. Why else would I put myself through this? Wouldn't it be easier for me to walk away? Wouldn't it be easier to consider our relationship a bad mistake in my life and to move on to better horizons? Of course it would, but I can't and the reason I can't is because I love you and that reason in itself makes all the difference in the world."

(end of Joseph's Letter)


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Originally Posted by deerhunter71
I am continuing to show patients

Try patience instead.
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I'm glad I can still make someone laught, I only wish I could do that for Broken too.

I don't believe I have read it.


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Originally Posted by deerhunter71
...At what point will the focus shift from the A to the recovery and repair of the marraige? I know the BS needs to come to some sort of terms with the act but wouldn't that be better achieved by concentrating on the now rather than the then. ...
It's not just your past act that she'll struggle to come to terms with. It's the mindest that you had then, when you were being selfish, in the run-up to your affair, during it, and afterwards during the time when you were lying about things in order to protect yourself. You'll need to convince her that you're done with that mindset.

Don't look for a single inflection point. Remember the emotional "roller coaster" -- sometimes she'll be cheerful & wanting to think about the future. But there'll very likely be other days after that when something triggers her ... something you once said, something she drove past on a certain day, God knows what it could be, but she'll be brooding about the affair. Some people on these boards say the 6-month point is tough for BSs. But there's no pat answer to your question.

Think of a house hit by a tornado. [That's what this has been for your wife -- a big emotional tornado.] At first, she was staggering around trying to figure out what the hell just happened. That's where she's been. There are no guarantees from here, but what I think will probably happen in your case (having seen her posts) is, she's going to want to spend time picking through the debris, trying to find what of her old life she can salvage, what she should throw out. Some days, she'll want to focus on the future. Some days, she'll come back to that pile of debris and pick out things to be thankful about or grateful for... other days, she'll run across something -- a fact, a realization -- that makes her mad as hell, or that sends her bursting into tears. Some days, she'll want to ignore the pile and do something fun. Eventually, the pile of debris will probably get smaller. Eventually she won't feel like coming around much anymore to the emotional place where the pile is. If you give her an emotionally-safe "place" to stay. (Live by the Harley "4 rules.") If she feels that you've got her back covered. If she feels that she's your #1 and only. If you do things over time to help her feel that way.


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Nice analogy, Glove Oil.

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