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kt,

I get that, which is why I'd suggest some sort of line like they have in hockey, where the ball would have to precede all attacking players each time it enters that zone, in lieu of the current defensive-set offside line.

An idle thought, as it were.


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Originally Posted by SugarCane
It's a way of making the tournament last longer, Pep.

Like prolonged foreplay that does not reach climax?
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No! It reaches a climax in three weeks' time, but until then...all that pleasure!

Come on. You know you like the sound of that!


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I am not signing up for dat .... Torture.

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Funny!!! you all are

I don't see the importance of the clock - and I quite like the approximate time keeping - you're never sure which stoppage time they've included and it is quite fun in a tigh match to guess how much time added they might play and whine about the timekeeping.

The offside rule in footy is the only one I've really understood and it makes totally perfect genius sense to me as KT highlighted.

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What would all the blokes over here complain about if all their wives understood the offside rule? ( I actually am perfect flirt)

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Do the women get into the sport as much as the men on the other side of the pond?


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I'd certainly say no as spectators, they don't so much. MY sis, mum, aunty and cousin didn't watch the game.

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Did you get a vuvuzela to blow at the telly?

I hear it's all the rage in SA!


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apparently, one was being bought every 2 secs over here. Yet the BBC have now done something so that you can hit an interactive button and waych with out the irritating honk

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Sounds like my beehive when I go to rob them.


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That stupid thing is the reason why I would not want to be there watching a live match. I would have an hour and a half sitting there with the urge to start breaking those things. Freakin' irritating. There's a huge move to have them banned


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Originally Posted by AheadOfTheCurve
Taking a break from cutting the lawn today in 90+ degree heat. Dante Aligheri wrote about doing this somewhere in his magnum opus. So, while swigging the gallon of Gatorade I made for today's landscaping marathon, time to poke a stick in the hornet's nest.

Very few Americans give a rip about the World Cup, except on the most casual basis. Most don't understand the sport of soccer (football to the rest of ya) and don't care to. And the reason why is quite simple.

Soccer is pure defense, with virtually no offense, and the pattern of play moves at a glacial pace. There are two vital parts of the game that will forever confound Yanks. One is a rules issue, the other is a tradition that makes no sense whatsoever.

The tradition issue is the simplest. Use the stadium clock, please!!! Not having official time where the whole world can see it makes absolutely no sense. Keeping the most important part of the game a secret is utterly mind-boggling. Have an official timekeeper who starts and stops the clock on the referee's signals. That's easy, and really wouldn't change anything. I've never understood the arguments against it.

The second is ingrained in the game and can't be changed without changing the very nature of the game -- the offsides rule.

Why is it that the DEFENSE determines what is onside and what is offside? You could have the ball inside the penalty box, and have the whole team in the offensive end of the field, but if the defense arranges its alignment a certain way they can cause an offside, and that's nuts.

I understand not wanting to have players cherry-pick on the other end, but there's a sport that's found the perfect balance to keep that from happening, and that's hockey. The hockey blue line keeps the game under control. If soccer adapted the concept with a "blue line" of sorts, where the ball would have to precede every player on the team on offense, that would open the game up to being a more offensive-minded game. Of course, defenses would adapt because they always do.

There's nothing more depressing than a 0-0 tie game. I understand the intracacies of the game, but the fact is there are so few shots on goal and little movement on the field to keep the fans truly involved in the action.

(Would someone please get rid of those stupid vuvuzelas? They ran out of earplugs to sell to fans at the stadium. They blow the damned things 'cause it's something to do, like the wave. End of rant.)

It would speed the game up a little -- not a lot, because you CAN'T, and really don't want to -- and all the sport really needs is a little tweak.

Okay, have at it.

Bleah....back to the lawn.....
Ahead:

Thanks for detailing the "offsides" rule.

We were watching Germany/Australia at the ESPNZone and I could never understand why when the offense seemed to have an advantage, that suddenly the ref would blow the whistle and they would have to kick from the sideline.

KT mentioned the game without offsides being a "stand around the net and kick" type of game. Maybe, but you could limit the number of offensive players allowed across the center line and the new "blue" line. Defensively, a cleared kick to the other end of the field then, could possibly allow a "man advantage" type of sitch if you keep your offensive players on the other side of the field when the ball enters your defensive zone. That would change the offensive game considerably. And scoring.

And yes, they can change the game. The world has changed, and the rules should adapt accordingly.

Heres my Rant:
Is it just me, or does the "soccer" world have the worst Video production and video angles? I mean, I watch the attack on a goal from the Midfield "up-high" camera, and then all the repalys are out of position, blurred, and just weak on all counts. I mean, if this was the Super Bowl, we would have angles from 7-8 directions for any action on the field. Even a regular play-off game would have 4-5. This is the WORLD CUP! 2 Billion People are going to watch.....

Rant over.

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Heres my Rant:
Is it just me, or does the "soccer" world have the worst Video production and video angles? I mean, I watch the attack on a goal from the Midfield "up-high" camera, and then all the repalys are out of position, blurred, and just weak on all counts. I mean, if this was the Super Bowl, we would have angles from 7-8 directions for any action on the field. Even a regular play-off game would have 4-5. This is the WORLD CUP! 2 Billion People are going to watch.....

Rant over.

LG

OMG, drives.met.bonkers! It is the WORLD CUP, for crying out loud, and they treat it like it is the red headed step child of the world!!! Seems to ME, the only thing the USA (and the coverage by our stations) seems to be interested in is LOOKS. Like Beckham and his (hot) hair-do on the sidelines, not contributing to the sport AT ALL. Those "African Fog Horns" and the awful (video) field placement makes me want to SCREAM! Why can't we call it Futbol???


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I'll have to see if I can find some american coverage on line to follow - or is it all the same??!!!

FOOTBALL (the purest type) is much more exciting on the radio than the telly.

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Ahead:

Thanks for detailing the "offsides" rule.

We were watching Germany/Australia at the ESPNZone and I could never understand why when the offense seemed to have an advantage, that suddenly the ref would blow the whistle and they would have to kick from the sideline.

Not a super great game. Australia is no where near being in Germany's league of even keeping up in football. But that's the luck of the draw. The responsibility of being onside lies pretty much with the strikers (and sometimes the wingers and attacking midfield) being patient until the ball is played. The offside rule is really easy to follow once you understand the rule. If the player receiving the ball is between the last defender and the keeper when the ball is played to them, they are offside. It�s pretty much that simple. Once the ball leaves the foot of the player passing, then all is fair.


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KT mentioned the game without offsides being a "stand around the net and kick" type of game. Maybe, but you could limit the number of offensive players allowed across the center line and the new "blue" line. Defensively, a cleared kick to the other end of the field then, could possibly allow a "man advantage" type of sitch if you keep your offensive players on the other side of the field when the ball enters your defensive zone. That would change the offensive game considerably. And scoring.

That sounds like a headache. Now you�re changing tactics and formation completely. The offside rule works just fine. The only time it doesn�t work okay is when the ref screws it up.

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And yes, they can change the game. The world has changed, and the rules should adapt accordingly.

Eh. The game aint broken mate.

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Heres my Rant:
Is it just me, or does the "soccer" world have the worst Video production and video angles? I mean, I watch the attack on a goal from the Midfield "up-high" camera, and then all the repalys are out of position, blurred, and just weak on all counts. I mean, if this was the Super Bowl, we would have angles from 7-8 directions for any action on the field. Even a regular play-off game would have 4-5. This is the WORLD CUP! 2 Billion People are going to watch.....

Rant over.

LG

Amen!


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KT:

Can you explain this to me?

Offsides?

I mean, I understand that it was a bad call. The US guy called for "offsides" was getting bear hugged, and I do not believe he got on the goal side of the other player anyway.

But where was the potential offsides? What is the rule?

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There was no offside. In fact, there should have been penalties for the blatant holding against Bradley. The goal should have stood. I'll bet he'll never ref again in a world cup game. He made horrible calls all through the game. I was so livid watching the game.

I paused the video over and over again and at the time the ball was sent, he was not offsides by a long shot.

Ridiculous.

This is one part of the game I wish would evolve. Coaches need challegen flags. Like a coach would be allowed to challenge 1-2 ref decisions per game. Have it on instant replay. Boom done.

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Well, that was possibly the worst England game I have ever seen. It was an embarrassment.

Capello has said that he will consider "something different" after this turgid, 0-0 draw against Algeria.

I'll say he should. He'd do better to send out the England women's side next time.

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It is so offensive when people refer to soccer as Football, especially doing it in all caps.

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History lesson form blurtit:


"However, the place that is credited to be the birthplace of modern day Football are the British Isles with records of matches being played between different villages in the middle ages. In fact a recent discovery of a book written by a Scottish teacher, David Wedderburn way back in 1633 describes in detail a match of football played in Aberdeen, Scotland.

According to another story a game closely similar to Rugby was already being played at the Rugby School in 1823 when a player William W Ellis ran the ball into the net thereby giving birth to another form of football better known today as American Football. The date for the start of modern American Football though is said to be 1876, invented by a man named Walter Camp who had supposedly heard the Ellis story. "

It's FOOTBALL!

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