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Am I remembering correctly that Julia Roberts got involved with her current H while he was married to another woman? That Julia was an OW first before wife?







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Great post Vibrissa.
Gilbert is now a famous writer, she is pretty, still fairly young and has a new lover...her next book called "Committed" (which tell it all...she was never committed to anything before...) is, I think, about deciding to marry this older guy she found in Bali.
I bet you anything that her M to this guy will not last.
However she is successful and a role model to many people...a WS success story
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Yes, I think to a Lovett singer...if I am not mistaken. She is actually a men eater just like Penelope Cruz..these kind of women just love to break up a family...or better, only think of themselves...very wayward
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From Wikipedia post on Julia Roberts:

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"Roberts met her current husband, cameraman Daniel Moder, on the set of her movie The Mexican in 2001. At the time, Moder was married to Vera Steimberg Moder. He filed for divorce a little over a year later, and after it was finalized, he and Roberts wed on July 4, 2002, at her ranch in Taos, New Mexico.[21] Together, they have three children, twins Hazel Patricia Moder and Phinnaeus "Finn" Walter Moder (born November 28, 2004) and Henry Daniel Moder (born June 18, 2007)"

yup.... an OW


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Married 8 years...and 3 kids...maybe they were soul-mates?!


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Here's a little more info on the Roberts/Mordor mess. Apparently, there's trouble in paradise (we're not surprised now are we?)

Any inkling of respect I had for Julia Roberts is gone now after learning not only did she break up this marriage, but she taunted his BW publicly. Read about it in the link below.

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I read the article, yes, Julia is on my black list..!
Unfortunately they are only speculating about her M ending....there is no proof.
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Originally Posted by atena
I read the article, yes, Julia is on my black list..!
Unfortunately they are only speculating about her M ending....there is no proof.blessing

But we can only hope...here's to Karma Vera!


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Wish I knew how to work those little yellow guys....surely there is a standing-O. Wish I had it for Vibrissa's post!


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If you want to watch a movie that shows the true devastation of a marriage breakdown Shoot the Moon is a truthful portrayal of an entire family falling apart, I was 16 or 17 at the time and had a knot in my stomach watching this

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There was always some reason I didn't pick the book up. Something that bothered me about it, but I didn't know what.

And now I know.


One year becomes two, two years becomes five, five becomes ten and before you know it, you've wasted your whole life on a problem you can't solve. That's one way to spend your life. -rwinger

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Originally Posted by Vibrissa
This discussion has made me think of a scripture:

Originally Posted by Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

So much of our culture is focused on 'finding' ourselves. We believe we must find some external locus of happiness to create an internal self worth. We have to embark on some external, mystical journey of self discovery and devote ourself to the altar of self-worship to find our meaning. Along the way, if those we love and love us are sacrificed it is ok - if they truly loved us they would understand how much we need this.

It is selfish, egotistical, self-centered, entitle tripe that only leads to the destruction of families, and pain to those they claim to love. In the search for self these people sacrifice their integrity, their morality and their decency. Love is no longer measured by what they give and how they are moved to serve, but rather in what they take and what they demand from the world around them.

Any happiness that results only emerges when they - like Narcissus - gaze into their reflection mirrored in the world around them and see themselves. The cries of Echo - their spouses and children, those who actually DO love them remain unheard.

In attempting to 'save' their life and 'find' themselves they have lost any semblance of a decent human being who may have existed within their body.

A Mommy board I frequent often repeats this same idea. Telling mother's they need to 'take care of themselves' and 'create their own happiness' often at the expense of their own children.

These mothers will lose the precious lives and relationships they have been given with their children to 'find' their happiness.

The self - the true self - is MADE is PURIFIED is FOUND in the living of the life we have been given. It is found in each day we wake and serve our children and our spouse. It is found as we work and struggle through life's trials. It is found as we pass through the refiner's fire and emerge, our integrity intact - the rough edges smoothed away to leave the shining whole that was always there.

Strength and happiness are not found in running away - but in enduring and finding joy in the small treasures we are given daily: the sun on my face, my daughter's laugh, my husband's warm embrace.

In MB parlance - we find joy as we Give to those around us as long as we ensure that our Taker is provided a voice, tempered by an honest desire to love and care for those we are blessed to have in our lives.

Thank you for this Vibrissa. I'm a newbie pastor and have been reflecting on the scripture I'll be preaching on this Sunday... about the lost sheep and lost coin (Luke 15.1-10). I had already been thinking about the definition of "sinner" and "lost" as "those who repent," or in other words, "those who let their minds be changed." In that sense, the willingnes to be lost is so important to us all. It's not our job to find ourselves but to be willing to be lost and to turn receptively towards and wait on the great finder (who has already found us)...

And join in the great celebration!

But your post also put something like this in the MB context... so helpful for me to be able to see that connection...

Now to try to express this...


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I just bought the book yesterday sigh the book has been in my 'want-to-read' list for a while.

It's fairly new on our market, but there's already a second reprint.

I feel stupid of buying it, to be honest doh2

Speaking of films - have you seen Woody Allen's "Husbands and Wives"? It is a very good sample material of how things should NOT be. If someone wanted to illustrate what is miscommunication, lying, interpreting, assuming, dishonesty, etc, s/he could easily take the material from this film.


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Am I remembering correctly that Julia Roberts got involved with her current H while he was married to another woman? That Julia was an OW first before wife?

absolutely correct. very disappointing. so of course she would love to star in a movie glamorizing divorce and finally doing what you wanna do. how sick.

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I was a FWW, and I read this book whilst I was still in the fog. For me the book helped justify what I was doing and put thoughts into my head that I needed to go away to find myself. Like an earlier post said in this thread that it is the small things in life that count, like a meal out with your old girlfriends or pottering in your garden with your mother! Unfortunately I had to learn this lesson the hard way, but at least I appreciate them now.

However, I do think that everyone has a right to pursue their dreams in life, and I don't think this is self indulgent. It would be more self indulgent for others not to let those that they love free. Elizabeth Gilbert did not have an affair, she chose to end the marriage first. I believe Elizabeth Gilbert had tried to work at the marriage, and this is shown through her second book commited when she analyses marriage to great depth as the failure of her first marriage was very traumatic for her. I am pro marriage but I don't believe in a lifetime of misery either.

I also don't think it is very marriage builders to wish that those remarry a unhappy marriage and one that ends in divorce.


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No its not MB wish for people to remain in an unhappy marriage...its marriage builders wish to show that, with some work, everyone can be in a happy marriage. Except for those in abusive or substance abusive relationships, of course.


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I blame this book in a large way for the troubles I have been encountering in the attempted recovery of my marriage. My ww began reading this just after admitting her affair. She has become so into this book describing it as enlightening she thinks it is life changing stuff. She cannot see the selfishness in it. Ever since reading this book she has set about a plan to be a "strong modern woman" emotionally cold to all around her and by her own description selfish to all but her needs. I know this is no way to live and it will hit home eventually. This book is everything that is wrong with marriages today and glorifies leaving a husband to pursue happiness, rather than honoring the commitment and building a great life and marriage. It is sad that it is now easier to turn and walk away rather than work and build a marriage. Society is much the poorer for this attitude.

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From wikipedia:

At 32 years old, Elizabeth Gilbert was educated and had a home, a husband, and a successful career as a writer. However, she was unhappy in her marriage and often spent the night crying on her bathroom floor. In the midst of an affair, she separated from her husband and initiated a divorce, which he contested. The affair continued for some time but did not work out, leaving her devastated and alone.

Yes. She had an affair. She ended her marriage. When the affair didn't work out (big surprise) rather than look in towards herself she embarks in an external journey to find happiness- since OM didn't provide it.

I'd rather get thoughts on marriage from someone with a happy marriage than a foggy wayward.


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Elizabeth Gilbert did not have an affair, she chose to end the marriage first.

Wrong!!!

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This author is giving a talk in London one evening this week about her book.

I might go to that. Is there anything you'd like me to say or ask?

I don't think I will enjoy being there. I suspect there will be a lot of supporters celebrating her "follow your heart" message and I will be boiling with rage.


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