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I'm noticing that most of the posts here concern affairs that are 2 years or less.Does anyone have experience with a WS having an affair for 6 years or more? I'd like to hear from someone who was able to recover and improve marriage after such a long affair.
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2 years 4 years 6 years it doesn't matter it's still the same amount of pain and anguish.
I'm sorry you are here can you give us more detail?
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2 years 4 years 6 years it doesn't matter it's still the same amount of pain and anguish. Not entirely. Pain, suffering, and recovery are subjective and unique to each person. An EA can be equally or more devastating as a PA to one person, or less to another. "Pain is whatever the experiencing person says it is, existing whenever the experiencing person says it does" (McCaffery and Beebe 1989, p. 7). That being said; yes it is possible to recover. Yes there are people here now, or who have been here who have recovered from long term affairs, or multiple affairs over the long term. http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5062_qa.html
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6years,
There have been a variety of posters that have had to deal with long term affairs. The results are at best mixed. Long term affairs are in fact different from the shorter ones because of the blending of lives and the number of lies that have been told.
One poster cag is dealing with it on the recovery section of this site. You could read his posts. If you search you will find Apohelion whose W had a long term affair. Another poster 2Long has had to deal with a 14 year affair by his W. He doesn't post much anymore but his posts are here. there have been others as well.
It would help us respond to you if you would post your story so that we have more details. I would strongly urge you to talk with the Harley's as recoverying and rebuilding marriage is their specialty.
God Bless,
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WS had affair with coworker. They worked closely, often just the two of them in his office. I knew they were becoming close friends and didn't like it,but didn't know or denied there was more. I found evidence July 9th,2010 and when confronted, he admitted to a sexual affair 2002-2008. Although meeting for sex ended in 2008, they continued working together and having an EA until he quit his job on July 22nd and we moved away. He has done everything I have asked and seems determined to stay married and do what is necessary to avoid straying again. It's hard for me to believe, though, because I never thought he could do this. I believe he wants to change, but am not sure he can. I also have a hard time believing that he could love me and still hurt me like this.
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I am so sorry it must be very difficult, the question is what do you want? Do you want to stay married to him and have a happier marriage or a divorce?
If you decide you do want to stay married the MB principles will definitely show you how to do that.
I would start by getting the book "Surviving and affair" and reading everything you can on this site.
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Yes, your wayward is more ingrained in a double life BUT they did not ever leave you during the long time affair. Imagine how the OW feels about that? The grief given the wayward over time for not just 'doing it' and being hers?
I think that the book Surviving An Affair mentions that it is what you do soon after discovering the affair that is critical in the recovery of a marriage. 5months, 5 years, 5 decades.....oh! the pin hole in the fanstasy once it is revealed and the MB plan followed.
It may take longer but plan A and plan B are still best for the betrayed. It is your power, strength and the resentment will be managed best whatever happens in the future.
You do need to snoop to try to gauge how over the affair is. Do they talk, IM?, text? email? If they do, it will need to be stopped (plan A negotiations). If it IS over for real and you try to recover your marriage, you need to follow MB rules for recovery (which have comment about dealing with resentment) to avoid future affairs happening.
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What do I want? I guess that IS the question. What I want is a faithful spouse who is so devoted to me and our children that he would be able to say no to other women even if they put "the moves" on him. I'm not sure if he can be that spouse, and certainly don't want to go through this hell again, but for the sake of our 4 kids, I'm willing to try.
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Hi 6Year, sorry you are here.
It sounds like your WH wants to change. Since you've moved away I'm assuming he's changed jobs as well?
Continue to snoop and monitor everything - complete transparency. That means you have access to all accounts, passwords, etc. Make sure all email accounts and phone numbers have been changed.
There must be NC for life!
Read all that you can here, together if possible.
Good luck to you.
Me:44 BS H:45 FWS Married 22 yrs Together 27 yrs 3 children: 14, 12, 9 EA then PA: Oct '09 - Aug '10 DDay: 8/20/10
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Thanks. H is trying to be transparent, I believe. He did get a new job and since we moved away, it would be hard for him to meet up with OW without me knowing. I believe he doesn't want to contact her, but I understand it's like an addiction and hard to resist.
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I think I should be posting here instead of " In recovery" because I feel like we are just surviving at this point.
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Thanks. H is trying to be transparent, I believe. He did get a new job and since we moved away, it would be hard for him to meet up with OW without me knowing. I believe he doesn't want to contact her, but I understand it's like an addiction and hard to resist. 6yearsoflies, welcome to Marriage Builders. I will find a couple of quotes and articles that I think fit your situation: Whether your marriage ends up with success or failure will depend almost entirely on your husband's willingness and ability to make radical changes. His lifestyle must become absolutely transparent, holding nothing back. He is in no position to negotiate when it comes to extraordinary precautions, because those precautions are designed to prevent another affair and help you feel safe. While most affairs die a natural death in less than two years, there are some that take much longer to die. That's one of the primary reasons that my first rule in surviving an affair is to never see or talk to the lover again -- even if the affair seems to have died a natural death. An affair can rekindle after it seems to be over. And to guarantee complete separation between the unfaithful spouse and the lover, extraordinary precautions must be taken, such as providing radical accountability and transparency. In many cases, I've encouraged couples I've counseled to change jobs or even move to another state to help create permanent separation.
Another suggestion I make to a couple struggling to restore their marriage after one of them had an affair is to make the affair public. Everyone should know what happened -- children, relatives, friends, and especially the children and spouse of the lover -- so that the affair is exposed to the light of day. What often makes affairs appealing is that it is done in secret. Most affairs become very unappealing once everyone knows about it.
So whether an affair is a one night stand, or has been going on for years, the basic rule for ending them are the same -- extraordinary precautions to guarantee permanent separation. But I will admit that the precautions used for long-term affairs are usually more extraordinary than those used for short-term affairs. I've helped many spouses overcome affairs that have lasted over ten years, but none of them have been easy.
Best wishes Willard F. Harley, Jr. The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide. I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail. The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy. This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted. An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them. After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance. here
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Another excellent resource is the Marriage Builders radio show. Have you listened to it? You can email Mrs Harley and she will read your question to Dr Harley on the show. You can then listen to the answer on the radio show.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Hello.
Could you please clarify? Did you have another d-day or additional info about betrayals?
Recovery after infidelity takes YEARS but you are just 6 months from d-day. It is very common and normal for BS to be especially angry in 6 months cycle after d-day.
Hang in here.
Are you both following MB principles?
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We have not had another D- day. He has had no contact with her except a card she sent him at work and he brought home to show me. We are going to counseling and it stirs up a lot of things. Mostly I am feeling that my anger and sadness and "need" for constant reassurance is getting in the way of making any new memories or really enjoying each other at all. Isn't there anyone else out there who is unsure about wanting to repair the marriage. I'm wondering whether it's worth the pain. Why would I want to stay with someone who would lie to me for years and basically have a second wife (for years). I can't imagine that he'll be there for me when I'm old or frail or ill. I was relatively young and healthy when the affair started.
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6yearsoflies, you are very new on your path of recovery. Even the best recoveries take 2 years. You are barely 6 months into it. There is a chance you can get beyond this and replace those feelings of rage with feelings of love and romance and peace. That truly is possible IF YOU HAVE A PLAN TO DO THIS. If there is no plan to do that, it will not happen. I am very concerned about your comment here: We are going to counseling and it stirs up a lot of things. Why and what is going on in counseling that "stirs up a lot of things?" WHAT is being stirred up exactly? Does your counselor have a defined plan to create romance in your marriage?
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Often the counselor gets me to voice feelings that I have but haven't said to my spouse . Mostly negative, some positive. Then he feels overwhelming guilt,which is not really what I want. I don't want to hurt him even though I am angry. I have read all of Dr. Harley's stuff LB, SAA, and his needs her needs. My H hasn't finished one. So it is hard to follow a plan when it seems like I am the only one on board. Why should I do all the work when he is the one that strayed ( and is sure he wants to stay together)?
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In my H's defense, he does have trouble reading books. Although he is bright and well educated, reading books is difficult and slow. He listened to HNHN on CD but we haven't been able to find any others in any form but book.
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Often the counselor gets me to voice feelings that I have but haven't said to my spouse . Mostly negative, some positive. Then he feels overwhelming guilt,which is not really what I want.I don't want to hurt him even though I am angry. This is terrible for your marriage. This practice of rehashing the pain keeps the affair pain top of mind. It keeps you sick and keeps him emotionally pushed away at a time that you need him MOST. No wonder he doesn't want to do any work? Who would want to feel guilty? I bet you both leave counseling more angry and devastated than when you arrived. I would IMPLORE you to stop this counseling. It is going to make your recovery very hard. Keep in mind that traditional counselors don't have the slightest idea how to save a marriage and have an 84% failure rate. They have a higher personal divorce rate than the general population. What you should be focusing on now is falling in love and being as pleasant and enjoyable as possible. You aren't going to fall in love if you going to a counselor and being triggered over and over again. Rehashing old hurts simply brings the pain of the past INTO THE PRESENT. That is harmful to your marriage and keeping you sick. Is there any way you can afford phone coaching with the Harleys? It cost about $200 a session, but they won't waste your time with this crap. They will assess the situation, give you a plan and send you on your way. There will be NO rehashing. There will only be training on how to make your marriage a happy, loving, fulfilling SAFE place AT A QUICKER PACE. They don't mess around. Check out this article by Dr Harley. His approach is VERY VERY different from traditional counselors and he gets FAST results and avoids the crap you describe: Coping with Infidelity: Part 4 Overcoming Resentment
One of the reasons I'm not so keen on dredging up the past as a part of therapy is that it brings up memories that carry resentment along with them. If I'm not careful, a single counseling session can open up such a can of worms that the presenting problem gets lost in a flood of new and painful memories. If the goal of therapy is to "resolve" every past issue, that seems to me to be a good way to keep people coming for therapy for the rest of their lives. That's because it's an insurmountable goal. We simply cannot resolve everything that's ever bothered us.
Instead, I tend to focus my attention on the present and the future, because they are what we can all do something about. The past is over and done with. Why waste our effort on the past when the future is upon us. Granted, it's useful to learn lessons from the past, but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster.
I personally believe that therapy should focus most attention, not on the past, but on ways to make the future sensational. And when a spouse comes to me with unresolved feelings of resentment about something their spouse did in the past, I tend to put it on hold and focus on issues that prevent mistakes of the past from recurring. I ask them to trust my judgment, and see what happens to the resentment when the marriage has a chance to become fulfilling. In almost every case, resentment fades, as I predicted. While the painful memories are not entirely forgotten, the most recent marital experiences which are fulfilling and enjoyable, dominate a person's thinking, and resentment becomes weak and infrequent. here
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