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I've been sending her those little emails every morning. Late last night we chatted for a little bit, and I shared some sad family news (not a death, but shocking and sad news from my side of the family).
She seemed to listen, and she was asking questions. Sounds wierd to say this, but this is the most communication we've had in 3 weeks.
The conversation ended pleasantly. She ended it with a "<3" and "night."
I wish I had a time machine to either speed up time, or go back and change things.
Me: 24 WW: 25 Married: April 13th 2007 Kids: None OM1: Discovered 7 Jan 2011 / OM2: Discovered Aug 2010 Wife is currently deployed to Afghanistan. Summary of my story
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I know what you mean. I used to say that it would be so much easier if someone would say, "Your husband will come back in x years and you will become recovered" then I could handle it. Well, guess what? Thanx to these plans, and THIS forum, I AM handling it now.
Keep those emails going. Not because she seems to be reacting to it(because you really don't know for sure) but because it is in your plan. Because it is something that goes with the MB plans which you have chosen to follow.
You are doing very well. Keep it up.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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I'm thinking really far ahead I know, but what happens if she comes back and moves away before I even get a chance to show her I can meet her needs? Ie. No chance to "Plan A" in person.
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You don't worry about what she does and when she does it. What you need to focus on is YOUR plans. So, you plan on doing Plan A for, let's say, 6 months. You pick the day that you would go into Plan B. There is really only a few things that would have an effect on that date. She files for a D before that date and you decide that you need to go into Plan B earlier. You are emotionally drained from your Plan B, so you enter into it earlier. And lastly, your WW pulls her head out of her azz and recovery begins.
This means that you do the best you can with the time that you have allotted to your Plan A.
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Ugh, I was reading over the book again today and of course it talked about total separation.
I've got no way of knowing if shes actually broken contact with him, and to make matters worse he will deploy to her location in January.
I think that when that happens we will be right back to square one, even if she has actually broken contact with him like she says she has, he will show up and be like "Hey"
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We talked again today, and I truly tried my best to avoid love busters, be honest with her, and then try to negotiate with her towards something we both agree on. I think I failed.
Her Me
Hey, good morning :)
morning
sup?
Not much, doing some
homework, wanting to chat.
How are you?
good
I got your package last night
thank you for the headphones
Ohh yeah? Which one.
the one w/ the tree
...there's more than one?
Holy crap, that got there fast.
Lol.
yeah
Well you're welcome for the
headphones. :)
We never had a Christmas tree
together, and I remembered you
always asking for one.
So, that's the best I can do for
now.
Are you there or on sipr?
here
reading my email
Mmm
do you need any money for
bills?
Well it's up to you. I know I
would appreciate it.
I paid off my loan a few days
ago
so idk how much is actually in
my acct
how much would you need?
Do you still think 1000 is a fair
amount?
That loan was the one you took
right before you left?
yeah
idk about the 1000...
i mean, you get the 500 from *roomate*
idk
Well tell me what you feel about
it.
i wanted to save some money
while i'm here
and i feel like between the 1000 i
give you, the money i give my
mom and paying stuff off i'm not
going to save anything
i'm finally done paying everything
off
but i was planning on giving my
mom at least 450 a month
I can see that, with your mom
occasionally requiring help.
oh
i ordered some stuff yesterday
it should show up at the house
in the next week or so, idk
i meant to send it to my mom's
house b/c part of it is your
christmas present, part is my
sisters, and some of it is for me
but it's coming to the house
Hmm. Does taking that 450 a
month out of the thousand sound
better? So that's only 550 to me.
so neway, the book is for you
the jaws t-shirt if for *sister*
and the rest is mine
is that enough?
i don't remember the breakdown
how much are you getting a
month now?
The breakdown was a little over
a thousand a month each.
But remember, I've always kept it
so I could manage all our bills by
myself. It just really helps when
we both pay them.
So the money you have been
giving me, I've been splitting
between a few things.
I was going to keep this a
surprise, but the current book
I'm reading says that at this
point nothing should be kept a
secret.
But I recently opened up a
savings acct, that I was putting
money into for us to take a
vacation or something like that
when you got back.
If you were willing of course
?
Actually before I started talking
to you, I called *bank* to try and
give you access to both that,
and my account. So you could
see everything.
But they were closed.
But I've been putting some into
that, paying off debt, and stuff
that's popped up. Like our
garbage disposal broke.
it broke or you broke it? lol
Lol, I don't know.
But *roomate* was like dude, it
just humms.
So I took it apart (which was
icky btw) and got it to spin
again.
But then we hooked it all back
up, and the disposal unit itself
leaked really bad.
fail
So I probably caused the leak,
but it wasn't spinning. I guess
both it broke and I broke it. Lol
Hey! I tried. Lol.
well i'd rather you just tell me
how much you need for the bills
the savings acct is nice but I
want to save my own money
anyway - i have to get back to
work =\
bai
Well ugh. I don't want to get
into the your vs my money. It
was a flawed idea. I pictured it
as what I had left over
personally, I put in there.
For recreational stuff for us.
The 1000 is what the breakdown
was. But since I can see your
side too, is 550 low enough?
Ugh, that still makes me feel like
I am shouldering most of the
responsibility.
I can see how you might take it
as me just saving money for you,
disrespecting your own
judgement when it comes to
money. But at the same time I
feel the house is both of our
responsibilites and I feel taken
advantage of when you are
earning an income and only pay
a tiny portion of the bills. It
makes me feel like you get to
keep all the money you earn for
whatever you want, while all
mine has to go to the house, the
bills, the cats, etc.
I don't know, it's tough but I
would like to come to a mutual
agreement where neither of us is
unhappy about it.
I love you, forever and ever.
Goodnight.
Basically the "breakout" is our mutual bills like the house and homeowners divided by two. Each of us paying half. I have paid all our bills for most of our marriage, but the past two months she has given me $1000 each month for "her share." I still pay well over that for ALL our bills, but I tried to be fair when asking that. Now she wants to keep more to herself. Thoughts? Feedback? Please.
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Woot, All you are wanting to do in the beginning is resume contact with her. Keep it light and newsy with things you have been doing and news from your neighborhood. Fun things to tell her about. News about your family and your friends. Jot down a few talking points first to keep it flowing. DO NOT DRAG IT OUT. Keep it upbeat and then sign off before it gets awkward. You're doing fine. Woot, Did you not read what I wrote above about HOW to resume contact with her? Scotty translates English into English for her friends... May need her to do that for you. KEEP IT FUN AND INTERESTING FOR HER!!! Let me ask you something VERY bluntly... If you were HER, who would you rather talk to... The OM who is meeting her needs for admiration and affection... or YOU with a focus on the money... Even though she brought it up it would have been better to say something to the effect of "I really don't want to talk about money right now, I want to snuggle with my babe while I can. I'll check on it later cause right now you're more important than the bills. Did I tell you I dream about you everynight? Can't wait for you to get home so we can snuggle in person..." I really think you need to PLAN what you're going to say with a few notes to keep it going in the right direction or it's easy to lose your focus. Plan a few talking points and some sweet things to make her feel like you are the fun guy she married who adores her. Get busy and call her back so the last conversation doesn't stay on her mind. One question and it may already have been answered but why do you have seperate banking accounts? Jim
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I can't call her. She is in Afghanistan.
So you're saying to only talk about flowers and rainbows while we are actually chatting. Hmm.
How do I actually talk about other issues with her? I cant completely ignore them, bills need to get paid.
We have two separate accounts because I always paid for everything, so in order to make sure I had the bills paid I kept my income for just that. I have about 250 a month left over for food gas and entertainment after all our bills are paid if she doesn't help. So I kept my own account out of fear that bills won't get paid. Yes, I now realize how hurtful or demeaning that must be to her.
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Woot,
Use whatever communication is availabe to you.
After your last conversation do YOU think she can hardly wait to talk to you again to get her emotional needs (EN's) met?
Or is it going to be more along the lines of great, all he wants to know about me is when the money is coming?
Woot, I don't know if you don't get it or not but you are in a war right now and you are fighting the enemy (OM) propaganda with exactly what he hopes you will which is what about me?
Right now, it's not about you and there is such a thing as balance of real life bills AFTER you have met her EN's.
Plan A is ALL giving with little expectation you will get ANYTHING out of it right now. YOU, my friend, may very well have to learn how to increase your income through overtime or a second job or you will be living PERMANENTLY on what you alone make after the divorce.
BECAUSE right now money is a huge love buster to your wife and there is little you can do about that...
After you have Plan A'd for a while you may be able to talk her into a joint account with her being able to see what you both have in the account and what would be a reasonable amount to be deposited in the account by her.
Meeting her EN's right now and getting her to WANT to work on the marriage BECAUSE she sees that you CAN meet her EN's is your number one priority right now.
Jim
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Hmmm. Tonight when I try and chat with her, if she brings it up I'll just say "you pay whatever you feel is fair, id rather talk about you"
How does that sound?
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Exactly right. Then talk about her and how much you miss her and what she means to you...
Let her know you can hardly wait to be with her again because she means the world to you...
You get the idea.
Try to get in the habit of sharing your feelings about her WITH her. She needs to know you value her MORE than anything else in your world.
Make up a few talking points so that you can keep it upbeat and interesting to her. Make contact with YOU a bright spot in her day.
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Well, I think the conversation I posted above had an effect, a negative one at that.
Even though the one after that conversation, when she asked how much I needed I said "Just send what you are happy with, I'd rather talk about you." and I tried to talk about her. She didn't answer any questions I asked of her, but asked me a few. She asked if I had taken the cat to the vet, and if I had finally gotten the car registered. Then "had to go work."
A highlight of that latter conversation was it ended with her saying "email me." So I did.
Well the negative effect I mentioned earlier is: She transferred $100 from her checking acct, and all the money from her savings somewhere. I don't know where to. Could be to her mom, but I'm assuming its an account she is setting up that I can't see.
So yeah, I think I really hurt things worse with our talk about money, when I should have been just trying to deposit love units.
God, I'm horrible at this. I keep taking one step forward, two steps back.
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Woot, you are learning and that is alright. There are NO GUARANTEES. What you want to do is just focus on your plan. Every interaction you have with your WW, you need to think about YOUR PLAN. And DON'T let what she says or does make you deviate from that plan.
When there are times where you don't know what to do, you could always ask for some help from the folks on here with a response to send her. Just try to do your best and become a better person and spouse.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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So this morning "don't let what your wife says deviate you from the plan" had to be put into effect.
I saw her get online, and I said "Good morning my dear" to which she replied "why do you say that?" I only replied because you are dear to me. Then tried to sing her praise.
Sent her another email this morning, as I do every morning. And wrote about how I get constant reminders of her love, along with a picture of one if them. I ended with saying how I wish I could hug and kiss her, then pick her up and spin her around.
One thing that I am curious to ask, but hesitant. Around the 5th - 12th of each month, I get the "I don't want to be married" message. Or now she opens another bank. Well historically, she gets really depressed and pretty much thinks the world is going to end during this time, even when things were great.
How many grains of salt should I take along with her words/actions during this time.
Me: 24 WW: 25 Married: April 13th 2007 Kids: None OM1: Discovered 7 Jan 2011 / OM2: Discovered Aug 2010 Wife is currently deployed to Afghanistan. Summary of my story
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Woot, this is why there is an END to Plan A. You couldn't continue to do Plan A with your love bank being depleted.
Do you have an end date for your Plan A? Have you started to make preparations for Plan B? If you feel like your LB is too far down, you should be ready to enter PLan B.
BW(Me)aka Scotty:37 DSx2: 10,12 DDAY2(PA)Nov27/09 Plan B Dec18/09 Personal R in works Scotty's THING Newly Betrayed click herePraying for walls and doors. Thanx MM “Surviving is important. Thriving is elegant.” ? Maya Angelou PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION THANK YOU
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Well, my end for plan A is 6 months after she gets home. Which makes it like a total of 10 months. I think I can last that long, but not by myself. I've figured out that words of encouragement from my family and friends really pick me up. Even from people here. Lol. The reason I set it so long, is I think her primary need is quality time, and that one is impossible to do while she is away. So I feel like I'm in a holding pattern until she gets home, then the real plan a kicks off. Hopefully it's not too late.
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I think it might behoove you to change that to 2 months after she comes home, if my calculations are correct. You don't want to drag this out too long.
You can re-evaluate when the time comes. Focus on learning all you can about MB and how to apply it to your marriage. Become the BEST spouse you can be. You CAN do this. You ARE doing this.
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Contact with my wife is extremely limited right now. I send her a daily email, and get maybe a sentence or two at night.
That's why I really want to do a "real" plan a, when she is here and can see the changes I'm actually making, not just writing about.
If you've never had to deal with a deployment you might not understand, but it is almost like an entire other life. You really are only focused on your job while you're there. You are doing 14 hour work days, then you go home and fall asleep. 7 days a week.
So I consider what I'm currently doing pre-plan A, due to her being deployed. It might sound foolish, but I don't think I can have much of an impact while she is deployed.
I know it sounds like I'm throwing your advice away, trust me I consider long and hard everything y'all write.
Me: 24 WW: 25 Married: April 13th 2007 Kids: None OM1: Discovered 7 Jan 2011 / OM2: Discovered Aug 2010 Wife is currently deployed to Afghanistan. Summary of my story
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I'm still thinking about what you said.
Why do you suggest I only give it two months when she gets back?
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So today I went snowboarding, and I wrote "I miss U Julie" in big letters in the snow on the side of the mountain right as you get off the chair lift. I took a picture of it and threw it on facebook. I also found a little test tube looking bottle, and filled it with snow while a friend took a video of me doing that. I filled it right below where I wrote the message, so she can see it in the vid. I'll be sending the video along with the snow in my next care package which leaves this week. It will also contain the puma, a t-shirt of her fav band, a cd from a band she likes, some home baked ginger bread men cookies, some flyers from local "things to do" places, a snow globe of a moose snowboarding (she loves moose, and snowboarding), and a book called "The Wedding" by Nicholas Sparks that a friend of hers suggested that I get for her. What do yall think?
Two days ago when we I asked her how her day was going, she told me that multiple people were starting rumors about her sleeping with guys there. She explained both of the rumors, and said they aren't true. To quote her "Noone here is worth losing my career over."
What do I make of this? Why would she tell me this? I wasn't prying if she is with anyone, in fact I haven't talked about our relationship in a really long time. Why would she tell me people are starting rumors about her sleeping with guys? I asked one of my friends, and he said "to push you away." I don't know if I buy that, so I seek the advice y'all offer.
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