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HERE IS YOUR PLAN:


Ok. Take a deep breath. First off, you are getting bad advice from the counselor. I am sure you C means well, but she is not very familiar with Marriage Builders or how to save a marriage from an affair.

The affair should be exposed wide and far. The more people who know, the better. Expose to her parents, your parents, employer, the OM's friends and family [facebook] her grandparents, pastor and close friends. CAll the family members and tell them all about the affair. Tell them you love your wife and ask them to use their influence to persuade her to end her affair. We have a sample letter you can send to OM's facebook friends. Copy all his friends into a WORD doc and send them a private email. [we have sample letters] Prioritize the targets with parents, family and then married friends.

Time your exposures to hit all on the same day so it has a tsunami ["nuclear flirt] effect. This will give you the maximum effect and prevent them from pre-empting you.

When that is done you DEMAND she end her affair. NOW. Sit her down and have this little talk with her. Tell her, I will NOT remain in a marriage with 3 people. Your continuing affair is disrespectful and hurtful to me and I insist you end all contact with OM NOW. If not, we are headed for divorce, baby.

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"Granted, there are situations when demands may be necessary in marriage. During a spouse's affair, for example, I recommend that the betrayed spouse demand there be no contact with the lover. If there is continued contact, separation or even divorce would be the logical consequence. While normally demands don't work, in this case there are no reasonable alternatives because thoughtful requests are even less likely to separate lovers."

And this means she quits the job, gives you her cell phone, her passwords, so you have absolute proof that contact has ended. Tell her in order to keep you interested in this marriage she will have to engage in a program of recovery.

Here is what Dr Harley says about exposure:

Originally Posted by Dr Harley
The issue of exposure comes up when a betrayed spouse has first learned about the affair. Should it be exposed to others, or kept secret? I generally recommend exposure. When should it be exposed? I usually recommend that it be exposed immediately. To whom should it be exposed? I recommend that family, friends, children, clergy, and especially, the lover�s spouse be informed. Exposure in the workplace depends on several factors.

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Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery.
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i understand how it got to this point as far as us not meeting each others needs but i just can't understand why when i first confronted her she didn't end it? i guess she only has that answer or i guess he was meeting needs that i wasn't and it really sucks! i wish i would have found his needs her needs earlier but i guess it is what it is. so confused, so hurt, just want to get my wife back to work on us so we can have a great relationship like so many other survivors out there.

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Originally Posted by courtvision30
i understand how it got to this point as far as us not meeting each others needs but i just can't understand why when i first confronted her she didn't end it? i guess she only has that answer or i guess he was meeting needs that i wasn't and it really sucks! i wish i would have found his needs her needs earlier but i guess it is what it is. so confused, so hurt, just want to get my wife back to work on us so we can have a great relationship like so many other survivors out there.
Court, she's not a rational being right now. You will see (on this site) affairs compared to addiction, because in a way, that's exactly what they are -- the brain-chemistry impact is a lot like crack cocaine's. You can look it up. As long as she's in that infatuation-addled state, everything she does is going to be skewed toward how she can keep getting her "fix" of the other man. There's little possibility for rational thinking while she's operating under that constraint.

The only thing to do is make the pain/discomfort/embarrassment of sustaining the affair worse than the pain that she'll feel from missing her "fix." Get her into withdrawal, by ending contact between the two of them, and after a few weeks, you may have a fighting chance of breaking the affair & getting her to start making rational decisions again. It's no guarantee, but exposure is your best shot to get to that place where you have a chance.


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Originally Posted by courtvision30
i understand how it got to this point as far as us not meeting each others needs but i just can't understand why when i first confronted her she didn't end it?

She didn't end it because she didn't HAVE TO. Who wouldn't want TWO men meeting her needs?

So, if you want to save this, I would get to work on your exposure. Did you read my notes on how to do it? Does the loserOM have a facebook page? Are you ready to open up the gates of hell on his head?

And do you have a cowboy hat? laugh


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[t/j] I sure as he11 don't want two men meeting my needs, Mel.

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tombstone is one of my favorite movies. my family lives a ways away as we moved for my job. so that support system is far away. i know they would think awful of her and wouldn't blame them. if it did work between us i wouldn't want this to come between the relationships that they have. i feel if i told her mom and dad (mom cheated on her dad) that they would look down on her choice. do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk. i agree the sooner the better but in no way do i want to have an awkward christmas with my family. any suggestions. i would love to bust his [censored] and call him out on this and say quit it with my wife or hells coming with me haha.

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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by courtvision30
wow a lot of this has been a huge eye opener! i must say i guess i wasn't prepared for this response but after reading this i think i may have become inspired. after this all happens and i assume she will be pissed but at this point does that even matter. Will this at least work to end the affair and if it doesn't what comes next?

She will be RED HOT AS A FIRECRACKER!! She will say "I was working on the marriage but now I am filing for divorce!!!" "how could you betray my trust??" "I want you out tonight!!!!" "We are finished!!!"

dramaqueen She will be the uber drama queen!! Just try not to LAUGH at the nonsense she spouts. If you feel a laugh coming on, excuse yourself becuase it is a lovebuster to laugh at your silly spouse. Tell her "I am sure sorry you are upset, dear, but I thought I should share the good news!! Would you like a potato chip?" smile

That is when you sit her down and have a little come to Jesus with her. Tell her the affair is over or she needs to move on outta here. Tell her you have a new standard and it requires she ends her affair TODAY and send scumbagboy a no contact letter and end her affair. Go back up and read my post on what to say to her.

And if she tries to throw you out, tell her "No thankee, Bob!" smile

Her anger will die down and as her shock wears off she will try to manipulate you into allowing her to keep the OM around for awhile. Tell her you ain't interested in that deal! You will go for the all or nothing deal, baby!! He goes or you go! Eliminating all contact with loser boy is NON NEGOTITABLE.

This plan is the most likely to end her affair which will make it possible for you to save your marriage.
Read this again - dang it Mel, just when I'm feeing all 'wordy' you come out with some of your finest! grin

Here you go, Court. Thoughts? Questions?


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Originally Posted by courtvision30
tombstone is one of my favorite movies. my family lives a ways away as we moved for my job. so that support system is far away. i know they would think awful of her and wouldn't blame them. if it did work between us i wouldn't want this to come between the relationships that they have. i feel if i told her mom and dad (mom cheated on her dad) that they would look down on her choice. do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk. i agree the sooner the better but in no way do i want to have an awkward christmas with my family. any suggestions. i would love to bust his [censored] and call him out on this and say quit it with my wife or hells coming with me haha.
[Grabs Court by the ears]: Man, your wife is playing sit-n-spin on another man! Christmas is going to be awkward whether you cover that up or not!!! And you want to let it slide until after the holidays? (Talk about putting the "Christ!" back in Christmas!... jeez, pal...)

The whole friggin' POINT is to make this all as AWKWARD for her as can be!!! No, it ain't gonna be merry & it ain't gonna be fun, but it's the only way to save your marriage!!!!!

Personal true story: When my other woman's husband found her out, I was confronted with the probability that my wife, family & friends would all find out. That made my affair pretty darned awkward! SO awkward, in fact, that I made a quick calculation of what I valued in life (it took me about .00004 seconds) and called my wife to confess, and told the other woman it was over, all before lunch. Exposure works. Don't TELL her or forewarn her, just DO it. The whole idea is to make her head swim. AWKWARD is exactly what you want. AWKWARD kills affairs. AWKWARD may give you a chance to save the marriage.


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Originally Posted by GloveOil
[t/j] I sure as he11 don't want two men meeting my needs, Mel.

Me either. BTDT. It ain't all it's cracked up to be.


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Originally Posted by courtvision30
tombstone is one of my favorite movies. my family lives a ways away as we moved for my job. so that support system is far away.

Do they have phones where you are? If so, I would inform your family so they can support you. Your mother will be very hurt that you dont't.

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i know they would think awful of her and wouldn't blame them. if it did work between us i wouldn't want this to come between the relationships that they have.

It SHOULD come between your relationships. Your family will be very angry that your wife did this to you. But if your wife is old enough to screw around, she is a big enough gurl to face your parents and apologize. Don't treat her like she is some dumb child who can't be accountable.

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i feel if i told her mom and dad (mom cheated on her dad) that they would look down on her choice.

As they should.

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do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? ]/quote]

Do it NOW. And then when you get home the family members can speak to your wife.

[quote] fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk.

Oh no, you should not tolerate this. She should NOT be allowed to talk to that as*hat in your presence.

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i agree the sooner the better but in no way do i want to have an awkward christmas with my family. any suggestions. i would love to bust his [censored] and call him out on this and say quit it with my wife or hells coming with me haha.

This is the PERFECT time to do it. Right before you go home for the holidays. And she will have to either a) stay home alone and have a miserable Christmas, b) come face your families. But as long as you expose to the OM's family, she likely can't go with him because what kind of people would allow her darken their doorstep?

This is all GREAT TIMING for a big ole exposure.


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Originally Posted by GloveOil
[t/j] I sure as he11 don't want two men meeting my needs, Mel.

whatevah!! sigh


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Originally Posted by GloveOil
Originally Posted by courtvision30
tombstone is one of my favorite movies. my family lives a ways away as we moved for my job. so that support system is far away. i know they would think awful of her and wouldn't blame them. if it did work between us i wouldn't want this to come between the relationships that they have. i feel if i told her mom and dad (mom cheated on her dad) that they would look down on her choice. do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk. i agree the sooner the better but in no way do i want to have an awkward christmas with my family. any suggestions. i would love to bust his [censored] and call him out on this and say quit it with my wife or hells coming with me haha.
[Grabs Court by the ears]: Man, your wife is playing sit-n-spin on another man! Christmas is going to be awkward whether you cover that up or not!!! And you want to let it slide until after the holidays? (Talk about putting the "Christ!" back in Christmas!... jeez, pal...)

The whole friggin' POINT is to make this all as AWKWARD for her as can be!!! No, it ain't gonna be merry & it ain't gonna be fun, but it's the only way to save your marriage!!!!!

Personal true story: When my other woman's husband found her out, I was confronted with the probability that my wife, family & friends would all find out. That made my affair pretty darned awkward! SO awkward, in fact, that I made a quick calculation of what I valued in life (it took me about .00004 seconds) and called my wife to confess, and told the other woman it was over, all before lunch.

What he said. Seriously, your wife is having sleep-overs at her boyfriend's house whenever she feels like it. Could your life really get more awkward?

Expose, and do it now. You NEED to tell your family. You need to put as much pressure on her as is humanly possible. You don't need to worry right now about what they're going to think about her. If you don't do this, you won't have to worry about her relationship with your parents anyway, since you won't have a wife anymore to worry about.


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Originally Posted by courtvision30
do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk.

This will be perfect because if you do this NOW, she will run to the OM at first and he will hear all her bitching. Then he leaves for 3 weeks and she is WITH YOU as the affair crumbles and DIES.

I am giddy with excitement at the strategic opportunities here!! dance2


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Originally Posted by GloveOil
Originally Posted by courtvision30
tombstone is one of my favorite movies. my family lives a ways away as we moved for my job. so that support system is far away. i know they would think awful of her and wouldn't blame them. if it did work between us i wouldn't want this to come between the relationships that they have. i feel if i told her mom and dad (mom cheated on her dad) that they would look down on her choice. do you all think this should be done before the holidays as we are leaving to head back home this weekend or should this all be done now? fyi...he is leaving for like 3 weeks as well but i assume they would still talk. i agree the sooner the better but in no way do i want to have an awkward christmas with my family. any suggestions. i would love to bust his [censored] and call him out on this and say quit it with my wife or hells coming with me haha.
[Grabs Court by the ears]: Man, your wife is playing sit-n-spin on another man! Christmas is going to be awkward whether you cover that up or not!!! And you want to let it slide until after the holidays? (Talk about putting the "Christ!" back in Christmas!... jeez, pal...)

The whole friggin' POINT is to make this all as AWKWARD for her as can be!!! No, it ain't gonna be merry & it ain't gonna be fun, but it's the only way to save your marriage!!!!!

Personal true story: When my other woman's husband found her out, I was confronted with the probability that my wife, family & friends would all find out. That made my affair pretty darned awkward! SO awkward, in fact, that I made a quick calculation of what I valued in life (it took me about .00004 seconds) and called my wife to confess, and told the other woman it was over, all before lunch. Exposure works. Don't TELL her or forewarn her, just DO it. The whole idea is to make her head swim. AWKWARD is exactly what you want. AWKWARD kills affairs. AWKWARD may give you a chance to save the marriage.

Great post! Awkward=GOOD!!!


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Since this is a workplace affair, I would send this letter to the Director of Human Resources and cc a key VP and both their supervisors. It is important to cc these ppl so no one is tempted to deep six the letter.

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To Whom It May Concern:

This letter is to bring a matter to your attention that may be a violation of your Company's Code of Conduct and/or other policies, procedures and business ethics.

WS and WS are involved in an extramarital affair that is taking place, primarily, in the workplace. Aside from the potential sexual harassment claims this situation presents, it also involves the inappropriate use of company resources and assets. WS and WS are using company time and company resources to further their affair. If you check the call histories on their office and cell phones along with their workstation computers, you will find the two of them are spending an inordinate amount of what should be productive work time to further their sexual relationship.

If you have any questions, please call me at xxx-xxxx. Otherwise, I will anticipate a response from you once you have investigated these concerns and taken appropriate corrective action.

Regards,

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Facebook exposure letters

Dear friend of Joe Scumbag,

It grieves me to write this letter but I believe all of his friends should know the kind of person he really is. Joe had an affair with my wife, Sally, from Aug until September. I believe that his friends should know this, so you can protect your marriage from him. My wife and I have 2 small daughters and this affair has almost wrecked our marriage.

I would be happy to provide the evidence to anyone who asks.

I would appreciate it if someone would notify his parents and ask them to call me at xxx-www-xxxx.

Thank you, BH

Dear friend of Skankyhola,

It grieves me to write this letter but I believe all of her friends should be aware that Skanky is having an affair with my husband, Joe. We have been married for 5 years. They have been having this affair since October according to the evidence.
I would be happy to provide the evidence to anyone who asks.

I would ask that you use your influence with Skanky to persuade her to leave my husband alone. You should also watch your own husbands around her because she is no friend to marriage.

I would appreciate it if someone would notify her parents and ask them to call me at xxx-www-xxxx.
Thank you, BW


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I'd like to add some food for thought on this thread. This woman met this man when she was 16/17. She was a child. If anything, I find it creepy that a 24, 25 year old man was dating a teen.

I'll be the contrarian. YOu have no kids. You marred a child and someone who was obviously not equipped for marriage. You have no kids. She's sleeping with another man. You've been a dad, not a lover. Let her go. This marriage had disaster written all over it from the start.

Want to save your marriage? Expose. But the fact that you dated a child says a lot about you. Frankly, it's a little disturbing.

She's really just now becoming an adult and obviously still has a lot of growing up to do.

What's going to happen is that you'll likley get her pregnant and a few years from now will be back while you babysit your 2 year old and she's out trying to find herself and attempting to relive some lost youth.

Let this one go.

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Originally Posted by helpthelostdads
I'd like to add some food for thought on this thread. This woman met this man when she was 16/17. She was a child. If anything, I find it creepy that a 24, 25 year old man was dating a teen.
I wasn't sure whether this

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Married 1 year dated for 6.
meant dating for six months or six years.

I'm not sure which one is better. Six months would suggest that they married too soon. Six years, and...as you say.


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There is no way she is going to stay the night with him and have no sex!!! That is what he wants and wouldn't waste his time without it. She knows that you are not stupid enough to believe they are not having sex but since you are going along with it she will continue. The longer this goes on the more likely she will stay with him. Look expose now or your marriage is likely over!!! Waiting till after the holidays only helps continue the affair.

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Helpthelostdads,

I think you might have a point there.

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