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Originally Posted by Scotland
It must be Taker night. A LOT of us out here seem to be feeling this way. It's not called a roller coaster ride for nothing.

As soon as you said that, I snapped out of my downward spiral.
Thanks.

"What has she done for me?" Isn't that the exact definition of Taker?
Hopefully because you called me out like that in the future I can instantly recognize when I start down that path.

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Woot,
I turn to your thread on a daily basis because you give me hope when my taker is taking over because your wife is deployed like my husband is deployed.
You probably do not know this but you have been an inspiration to me while I am going through the same things.
I called Dr. Harley and Joyce on the radio show and they gave me some fantastic advice. If you have the chance I would send her an email.
Good luck to you Woot. I hope your day will be better today.

Umm, thanks I guess?
Kinda humbling to hear I'm a source of inspiration. I'm just here trying to figure out what I can do to save my marriage. I guess noone is immune to the ups and downs, or the wanting to give up.

In other news:
As soon as she mentioned the name "Lucas" in one of our conversations, I remembered her mentioning that he was deployed there. Well I looked on her facebook and sure enough she had recently added him as a friend, and therefor didn't get my mass message. This was a guy that knew both of us from when we lived in Alaska. I also know he is a good guy who was recently married. So I wrote to him. He responded this morning:

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Thank you for writing me. I can understand it must have been quite difficult. Not that I know exactly what you are going through, but can see it was difficult to bare your emotions on such a delicate issue.

First off, I would appreciate it if you didn't tell Julie I contacted you back and I will not tell her that you contacted me.

She is in a weird place and is seeking the attention of men.
She surrounds herself with those that support her. My wife was helpful in identifying what was going on, so when I was hanging out with Julie, I was very careful to not give her that kind of attention. And now she doesn't really talk to me anymore.

I think the best way I can help you is to know that I am not qualified to guide what's going on here because I don't have the proper training. But I would be happy to pass on your contact information to the nearest Chaplain to Julie.

One thing I would suggest, is not to be pushy with Julie. Pushing the issue of what's going on and trying to counter her game, will only alienate you further in her mind.
Even just trying to contact her a bunch will push you further away from your goal of re-unification. As much as it hurts, try and restrain yourself.
Because I refused to give Julie the flirty attention she wanted, she alienated me from her. I have a very perceptive and accepting wife, and she told me to let Julie know that she didn't mind Julie and I hanging out. It kind of ruins the game for Julie.

If I said anything to Julie about suggesting she get back together with you, I would just be on her alienated list. And that doesn't help anyone. She doesn't really talk to me much anyway.

Julie seems to have missed out on the whole sowing oats phase of life. Try not to worry too much about her over here. It is very difficult to get alone time.

So like I said, I feel the best way for me to help, is offer the best/most qualified assistance possible, by giving your contact information to the local Chaplain. Can you send me your email address? I will try and get the chaplains contact info too and maybe you two can talk sometime. Also, please don't tell Julie I responded, nor that you contacted me.
Respectfully,
Lucas


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So what do yall think? I'm about 80% sure she is out there "sowing oats" and its tearing me up. (I had to look up what sowing oats meant)

I'm trying to Plan A from a distance, and I think its failing horribly. I'm having trouble writing her a love letter for a package right now because I feel like everything I do doesn't matter, and it pisses me off that she doesn't care about me.

I'm trying, but failing.
Advice?


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My advice hinges on what you want. So, do you WANT to continue to attempt to save this marriage? If so, you continue on with YOUR plans regardless of what she does and says. No one would fault you right now if you said that you wanted to end it. The advice would just be different.

There is a GIANT roller coaster ride in Plan A and I will tell you that Plan B is harder in some ways. But I have been told that recovery is even harder.

Don't get down on yourself. Just keep with your plans and change those plans if need be.


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I just want her to come home, so we have a chance to work on it.
So I guess in a way that's me saying that I still want to work on it.


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Well then, have your boohoo moment(s) and GET ON WITH IT.

You need to do things to take care of yourself as well so that your Taker doesn't rear his ugly head.


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Lol yes ma'am.

But seriously, thanks.


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Alright so here is what I have been mulling over lately.

When she left, I think there was a large part of her mind that thought it could work. The longer she is deployed on her own, I think the more she poisens her mind against me.

Do y'all think me sending her emails saying "you're beautiful" or "I want to cuddle with you and listen to the rain" is annoying?

What her friends all say is "give her space, and don't push her away." I really want to talk to her, but fear that I just push her away by trying to. But at the same time someone said earlier: if I don't meet her needs, she'll find someone there to.

Ugh, I'm so torn. To try and talk to her, or give her space and just sen a daily email.


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I'm also doing a long distance Plan A. I think continued contact is good, and trying to meet her most important emotional needs is good. So what do you think that is?

Also, remember in Plan A there are no expectations. You are showing her that you are the better choice. So dont do something or say something and expect her to respond. That is really hard I know.

As for me, I've done things that surprised him. I've sent him a book about his favorite sport, from his favorite guy from that sport. I've sent him gift certificates for something he will use while he is there. I know he appreciates it, and makes him know I still love him.

I also have been buying Groupons for things we could do when he redeploys. I plan on surprising him when he gets back.


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Im pretty sure her most important need is quality time. I like the coupons idea, I could get her some green beans coupons, I'm sure she'll like that. (to any other spouses of a deployed person, green beans is like our Starbucks while in the desert, only better. You can look up on their website if they have a location at the base they are at.)

Ive only recently heard of this groupon thing. Is it really all it's cracked up to be? Only thing I've seen in the three or four times I've looked is coupons for sushi.


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Woot, I would continue to write emails to her, perhaps if you feel uncomfortable you could lessen the frequency, but I wouldn't stop altogether.

Why? because if you stop writing, she would look at it as if you are giving up, that you couldn't keep up the effort to even write despite your professed desire to show her that you do love her.

Her cheating is like a cancer in your marriage. Your current Plan A is like chemo designed to knock back the cancer until it can be excised (i.e. a real Plan A when she returns). Perhaps even with the chemo, your marriage will die, but without it, it won't even make it to the point where surgery is possible. So I would keep on writing and emailing; nobody said that they have to be the needy or clingy variety.

I can't tell you what to do or how long to do it for, only you can decide just how much you're willing to invest of yourself to see this through. Have youe read Sick of Limbo's thread? Now there's a guy who gave everything that he had.


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I haven't updated in a while because I am currently back home on vacation, and I don't have a computer with me, just my phone.

She just told me that tomorrow she has the day off so she is going to call me.
I'm actually giddy, nervous, etc.

What do I say? I want to make it an enjoyable conversation for her, but still convey that "I love you" message that I so desperately want to get across. Without sounding desperate. Lol.

So what should I try and talk about? Or should I just let her complain about work?


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Reflect her mood. Show concern if she shows concern. Be light if she is light. Encourage her and be sure to tell her that you miss her. But do not beg, plead, or talk about the marriage. You must maintain your self respect. There will be plenty of time for the hard work when she comes home, if you decide to stay together.

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So she did in fact call me, which was still only half expected even after she said she would.

We ended up talking for over an hour! We haven't done that since my first deployment when we were newly married. The conversation went really well I think. Our marriage or relationship never came up, and we just talked about random stuff. Like we used to when dating, just talked to talk. Twice during the conversation the call dropped and I thought for sure she would just not call back, but she did. I told her that I missed her a lot, and that I loved her. To which I got the response "mmm." Expected, but at least I let her know that with my own voice.

After the conversation I felt amazing, reinvigorated to keep trying. I hope her feelings at least somewhat reflect my own. It sounds so pathetic how excited I get over a simple conversation, but this was only the second time I have heard her voice since September.

I learned from the conversation that she is becoming quite miserable out there. Her work is driving her nuts, and to quote her "I just want to come home." She is at the midpoint of the deployment where everyone starts missing home horribly, and you really don't feel like you serve a purpose there.

So what can I do with this depression that she is going through to deposit the most love units?


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We sent my daughter parcels with good pure soap that lathered easily when used in a shower as well as decent shampoo, hand cream, face cleaners and a couple fresh smelling towels. We slipped a few bags of jelly beans therein as well. The base shops will offer a lot choice so choose good products. Place a card inside the parcel and handwrite a message from yourself, not a I love you message.

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Woot, what does your wife like to do to occupy her time? Does she read? Listen to music? There are many things that you can send that are inexpensive, can occupy her time, and that show that you care. I know that AAFES runs PX facilities downrange, but may not have what she wants.


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This month the guy she had the affair with gets to the base she is at. Should I say anything to her about that? Or should I just sit in silence as my fears run abound.


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I would tell his comander so he can't try to meet her or she meet up with him.

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Woot,
Go buy an external hard drive (small USB powered that will not need an electrical supply) and fill it with music, movies, tv shows, ebooks, etc (that you can download for free or convert the dvd's you already have that you know that she likes) and send this to her to occupy her time when she is depressed.

This helps and will occupy much of her down time.

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I'm dissapointed in myself, for multiple reasons.

Firstly, I sent an email about "us." I have been trying not to write about our relationship but I did last night.

Here is is:

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Hey Julie,

It's almost 9:00pm here and I'm still at work, making a product to
present to people who couldn't care less about it. A really good song
just came on my iPod (Thrice - Red Sky) and I stepped back from sipr
for a few minutes.

This isn't going do be my normal "Hey, I'm thinking of you, I love
you" email. Going against advice from quite a few people, I'm actually
going to write about us.

I send you these emails every day, saying I love you. Well.. I
actually mean it. I don't know what you think when you hear me say
that, and to be honest I expect that you just brush it off, or don't
care. But I say it from the bottom of my heart.

I absolutely flipped out the last two weeks we spent together. I'm
pretty sure you saw it, but I was all sorts of messed up. I was trying
so hard to impress you, to win you back, and fighting back horrible
emotions that I probably ended up hurting you/pushing you away more
than I did helping the situation. You're right, I'm not Mr.
experienced when it comes to relationships. Hell, at one time you even
referred to my inexperience as cute. But my love is genuine and
powerful.

I am commited to you, and with that commitment comes me wanting to
make our marriage the best that it possibly can be.
I haven't told you this yet, I made a facebook post, but I don't want
it to seem like "Look at what I did, now won't you come back?" because
its not like that. I've given up video games. Yeah, I'm sure you don't
believe me. Its something that I wanted to do many times, yet never
did or could. And my desire to give them up, existed long before I
even met you. I know I told you this when we were dating, one night on
the benches outside of the post office at Goodfellow as we were
watching the stars and just getting to know each other. But I told you
then that I actually joined the Air Force to quit gaming. On a side
note, I miss just talking to you like that. Back on topic, I have no
idea why it took me so long to finally see it through. I've got an
explanation, but thats not for this email.

Do you know why my Mom loves you?
You were the first person in my life, that could actually get me to
study. When I think of you, there is nothing that I would put before
you. Nothing. So that makes heading in to study schoolwork in order to
please you a no brainer. Well it also provides more than enough
motivation to kick video games. This sounds wierd, but as far as this
is concerned, it doesn't even matter if you decide to try and work
things out, or you walk down the escalator at the airport and say to
me "Lol, noob. I've got a better life now, a better guy, I'm gone. and
I'm taking the cats!" The knowledge in my mind that me playing video
games hurt you as badly as it did, has actually made me repulsed by
them (and very dissapointed in myself). So its not like I'm kicking it
in hopes that you come back, I actually have no desire to play them.
Its strange, and I doubt you believe me.

Well in order for me to become actually repulsed by them (due to how I
hurt you with my addiction to them) there has to be some extremely
stong feelings tied in there. To me personally, that is one of the
biggest indicators that I truly love you. That is a bright sign that
keeps flashing to me, saying "James, love is what makes you hate so
much that you hurt her."

So I spoke of commitment, here are some from me to you. These are
things that I am commited to improve, in order to be a better husband
(and person). They all sort if tie together.

Time. You spoke of "wanting to be the best part of my life." Well I've
known all along that you are, but words only go so far. I love
spending time with you, in fact I cherish the memories that I have
where we were out doing stuff. Or even in the house doing things, like
backgammon. I was so proud to tell my Mom that you had taught me how
to play backgammon, I was literally beaming to say it. So I am
commited to being with you, spending time with you. In saying that, I
don't count sex. You've said to me something along the lines of "it
seemed like you only wanted to be with me when we had sex." So when I
say spending time, I mean time when we are not intimate or me trying
to make it so. Time with you and I, just doing something or talking.
Thats it. Throughout our whole marriage, I would tell people "I
married my best friend, we just have fun doing stuff together." I
still love the idea of doing stuff with you, you are quite fun to be
around. <3

Money. Once you've been back for a bit and we both assess how we are,
if you are willing I would be willing to get one single joint account.
I never felt like I hid or kept things from you, I always felt like
all you had to do was ask it was there. But I made you feel like [censored]
for asking, and made you feel accountable for it. Thats not very
loving. We would have to decide on spending habits together, but that
is a discussion I am compltely willing to have (and I think is pretty
necessary to avoid hurting each other). Ie. How do we spend our money
on big things, like a drum set, or your laser surgery. If its one
account, we need to figure out how things like that happen, but I feel
its completely doable and it will actually bring us closer together.

Respect. This pretty much has to deal with me understanding we are two
different people, and its not my way or the highway. At the same time,
that doesn't mean if its your way I make you feel bad about it. I love
you, I am committed to showing you that through respecting and
encouraging your decisions. If you were me, I wouldn't love you, so
why did I try to make you think like me? I love who you are, and I
think recognizing that has made the light go on that I need to make
you feel as an equal in our relationship. Noone comes ahead of you in
my priorities, not even myself. I really and truly look forward to you
getting home, so that I can actually put these into practice rather
than just thinking about them abstractly. It sounds wierd, but I am
almost itching to try and make you happy. Not for personal gain, but
because I love you and I want you to be happy.


Part of me thinks that you are just too far gone, that there is
nothing I can do. But I am a firm believer that it is never too late,
love once existed and it can very easily come back.

So I am talking to you, to the heart that I know you have, no matter how broken.
I don't care whats happened in our past. Let's learn from it, and move
on. I still love you, and I would like to do whatever it takes to
improve our marriage.


I love you Juliette, and I want to see your smile again.

Your loving husband,

James

Secondly and the thing I am currently kicking myself about is believing that it was actually over. A while back I asked her to sever contact with him, and she unfriended him on facebook and said she would. I havn't pried since then. Well, starting about a week ago she no longer gets on AIM to chat. There is also a facebook friend named "Supa Dave" who has no image of himself that made a post on her page. Everything is hidden on his page, and the dudes name was Dave. I think that she doens't get on AIM, because Mr. Lover was the reason she got on AIM, to talk to him. Now that he has left for Afghanistan there is no reason to get on and try and chat with him.

My doc said to me "If there is a possible explanation that is a positive one, stick with it." Well the positive explanation I came up with is: They blocked the website on her base that allowed her to access AIM. I'm 99% sure that if I ask her, she'll say that. But now I don't even have a way of really communicating with her, since she has never really responded to emails.

I'm upset with myself for once again, thinking I was doing well (with the emails I send daily, and her calling, and the care packages I've been sending) when they really meant nothing. Its tearing me up inside.


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Ouch, another blow.

About an hour ago at lunch, the guy that she had an "emotional affair" with approached me. I haven't seen him since September. But he saw my car, and followed me.

He came up to me and said "Sorry dude, I can't keep this from you. I did sleep with Julie. 3 times. She came on to me, I'm a guy, and I'm weak. Sorry for hurting your marriage."

@!#%U!@P#YH!U(#!H^# I F@CKING HATE MY LIFE RIGHT NOW!!!!

2 guys that I know for sure about now.


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