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C.P. and Fred,

Thank you so much for the feedback and encouraging words. I wasn't able to read your posts until now, which is good. They came at a good time. I was able to not care that tears were ruining my makeup, since I don't have to go anywhere else today. smile

I woke up and was out of the house early this morning, still feeling the emotional hangover from the thoughts of yesterday. I only slept for two hours last night. I tried every meditation technique I could think of to fall to sleep, and I couldn't. I had this recurring dream that my husband is seeing someone, someone blonde. /shrug

I met two close friends at their church this morning, and had a really long lunch with them afterwards. It was good. Very good, considering the slump I was in. They are the kind of people that can breath life into me, and help me to see what's mine and what isn't, in the most loving way. Going to try Pilates with one of them this Thursday. That should be pretty funny.

C.P.....

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What strikes me is that during all that hardship, you still were willingly asking your husband to love you fairly, when he had not done it before that time. It seems he was blind, and you had blamed yourself for it.


I thought I was being fair at the time. I remember fluctuating between being impressed at my capacity for forgiveness, and feeling like he thought I had no respect for myself for giving him that chance with me. Of course I had those thoughts myself. Projection? Maybe, maybe not.

Honestly, I do not know how he felt about that. He never told me I had a forgiving heart. Maybe because I needed more than "I'm sorry I hurt you" and if I needed something from him, than I wasn't truly forgiving?

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I don't think he was strong enough from what I am hearing.


I agree, and neither was I really considering how ill equipped I was to handle all of that. But, I was willing to take the heat in the kiln while we created a masterpiece. I think now he doesn't think I fit the mold. Like somehow I was always innapropriate for him. Talk about blinders.

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I don't remember how old you are, but I think you are younger than I. One thing I can tell you is that as we age, we don't bounce back as fast as we do when young, but, here is the good part, we come back much wiser and deeper than we ever were before. We just can't see it when we are in the middle of the storm, that this too is for our own good.


I am 46 and am discovering this is so for me as well. At least I'm wise enough now to know there's a lesson in those storms.....

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If your husband could not be there and help you through the tough times, and build you up out of hopelessness, and have compassion for you, then his values were messed up to begin with.


And this is the million dollar question to me. Was it his values? Was it because of what he was mentally and emotionally capable of? Or, was I asking for too much? I do know that when I felt he wasn't protecting the marriage, I would be upset by it and withdraw from him. He saw that as demands and refused to give in to demands.......

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As someone who is slowly recovering,(I like to be busy and get things done),


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and are a very strong and tender woman


Ok, on two hours of sleep and emotionally tired, that brought tears to my eyes. I feel that I do have a tender heart, and my husband I believe feels that I am anything but. I was too caught up in survival mode that I had to be tough. I didn't feel safe to share that side of me with him, for the most part.

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You will get past it and the answers will come, relief will day by day, week by week, be revealed to you. One day you will observe, "I don't feel that bad anymore", and that will continue to be a revelation you will have time and again.


Thanks C.P. I do remind myself of this.


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The trick (if you want to call it a trick) is that when these thoughts come, I accept their intrusion into my mind -- but only for a moment -- and then send them on their way.


That's what I do most times, and I like that.
But like yesterday, sometimes I have to just let myself be aware of what I'm feeling and hold it for a bit while I process it. Only then can I let some things go.

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I might stagger a step or two, but I'm going to keep running...


Me too Fred. Me too.

Thank you for being here for me.


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After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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Originally Posted by MyJourney
. But, I was willing to take the heat in the kiln while we created a masterpiece. I think now he doesn't think I fit the mold. Like somehow I was always innapropriate for him. Talk about blinders...

Yes I agree, if we can just push thru, it will be awesome, but some don't see this, and need instant gratification.

I guess O&H communication along with sticking by your commitments with integrity is the answer there.


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..Thanks C.P. I do remind myself of this.

I don't know if your a fan, but thier are two songs by REO Speedwagon from, "You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish" album that came on tonight that reminded me of personal recovery and relationship. The first one was one I used to sing in the shower a long time ago, after my first marriage disaster... "Time for me to fly". (For you country western FREAKS! Dolly Parton sang it too.) lol

"I've been around for you
I've been up and down for you
But I just can't get any relief
I've swallowed my pride for you
I've lived and lied for you
But you still make me feel like a thief
You got me stealin' your love away
'Cause you never give it
Peeling the years away
And we can't relive it
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly

You said we'd work it out
You said that you had no doubt
That deep down we were really in love
Oh, but I'm tired of holding on
To a feeling I know is gone
[- From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/r/reo-speedwagon-lyrics/time-for-me-to-fly-lyrics.html -]
I do believe that I've had enough

I've had enough of the falseness
Of a worn out relation
Enough of the jealousy
And the intoleration
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly

[Refrain:]
Time for me to fly
Oh, I've got to set myself free
Time for me to fly
And that's just how it's got to be
I know it hurts to say goodbye
But it's time for me to fly

Oh, don't you know it's...
[Refrain]

It's time for me to fly
[Repeat to end]..."

Then the other one by REO, "Roll with the changes" This one make me think of you..

As soon as you are able
Woman, I am willin'
To make the break that we
Are on the brink of

My cup is on the table
Our love is spillin'
Waitin' here for you to
Take and drink of

So if you're tired of the
Same old story
Oh, turn some pages
I'll be here when you are ready
To roll with the changes
Yea eee yea, woo

I knew it had to happen
Felt the tables turnin'
Got me through my darkest hour

I heard the thunder clappin'
Felt the desert burnin'
Until you poured on me
Like a sweet sunshower

So if you're tired of the
Same old story
Oh turn some pages
I'll be here when you are ready
To roll with the changes
Ohh yeah

Huu

Ohh woo oh
So if you're tired of the
Same old story
Oh, turn some pages
I'll be here when you are ready
To roll with the changes
[From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/r/reo-speedwagon-lyrics/roll-with-the-changes-lyrics.html]
Yea eee
Roll over the changes
Oh, you know, you know, you know
You know, you know what?

(Keep on rollin')
Oh yeah
(Keep on rollin')
Ohh
(Woo ooo)
Roll with the changes
Keep on rollin'

(Keep on rollin')
Oh yeah
(Keep on rollin')
Ohh
(Woo ooo)
Gotta roll with the changes
Oh yeah

(Keep on rollin')
Oh yeah
(Keep on rollin')
Oh you got to, got to roll with the changes
(Woo ooo)
You got to, got to, got to, got to
To keep on rollin'
(Keep on rollin')
Got to keep on
(Keep on rollin')
Oh you got to, got to, got to, got to
Got to, got to keep on rollin'
(Woo ooo)

Keep on rollin'
Keep on rollin'
Woo ooo
Keep on rollin'
Keep on rollin'
Woo ooo
Keep on rollin'
Keep on rollin'
Woo ooo
Keep on rollin'
Keep on rollin'
Woo ooo

But as long as I am quoting tunes,,, The one that I used to dedicate to my WW many times since I first heard it...' Bryan Adams, "Everything I do, I do it for you"

Look into my eyes - you will see
What you mean to me
Search your heart - search your soul
And when you find me there you'll search no more
Don't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
You can't tell me it's not worth dyin' for
You know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

Look into your heart - you will find
There's nothin' there to hide
Take me as I am - take my life
I would give it all I would sacrifice
Don't tell me it's not worth fightin' for
I can't help it there's nothin' I want more
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/b/bryan-adams-lyrics/(Everything-i-do)-i-do-it-for-you-lyrics.html]
You know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

There's no love - like your love
And no other - could give more love
There's nowhere - unless you're there
All the time - all the way

Oh - you can't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
I can't help it - there's nothin' I want more
I would fight for you - I'd lie for you
Walk the wire for you - ya I'd die for you
You know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

Yeah, a sappy song I admit...

Your gonna be fine MJ, roll with it and we will all get thruogh it.





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Yes I agree, if we can just push thru, it will be awesome, but some don't see this, and need instant gratification.

I guess O&H communication along with sticking by your commitments with integrity is the answer there.


Agree. I'm sure my husband thought 4 years was way too long, but it took almost a year to get the truth out. And he wouldn't keep committments in recovery either, so he helped to stall the process.

C'est la vie.

Changing the subject to the songs. smile

I mentioned upthread that I heard that song, Time for Me to Fly not that long ago and I turned up the volume! Someone mentioned that they use to sing it in the shower after a breakup. Was that you? Lol....

I've always loved the Bryan Adams song. I wonder if it's healthy to have someone love you so much that "everything I do, I do it for you". Not that I don't think I would mind that....lol....

And C.P., yes, let keep on rolling! Great song. I need to put some of these on songs on my player!

One that I still like lately is I'll Pray for You by Jaron and The Long Road to Love......

I haven't been to church since I don't remember when
Things were going great '�til they fell apart again
So I listened to the preacher as he told me what to do
He said you cant go hating others who have done wrong to you.
Sometimes we get angry, but we must not condemn.
Let the good Lord do His job and you just pray for them.

I pray your brakes go out running down a hill
I pray a flowerpot falls from a window sill and knocks you in the
head like I'd like to

I pray your birthday comes and nobody calls
I pray you're flying high when your engine stalls
I pray all your dreams never come true
Just know wherever you are honey, I pray for you

I'm really glad I found my way to church
'Cause I'm already feeling better and I thank God for his words.
Yeah I'm going take the high road,
And do what the preacher told me to do,
You keep messing up and I'll keep praying for you.

I pray your tire blows out at 110.
I pray you pass out drunk with your best friend and wake up with
his and her tattoos.

I pray your brakes go out running down a hill.
I pray a flowerpot falls from a window sill and knocks you in the
head like I'd like to.

I pray your birthday comes and nobody calls
I pray you're flying high when your engine stalls
I pray all your dreams never come true
Just know wherever you are, near or far, in your house or in your
car,
wherever you are honey, I pray for you.
I pray for you

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And C.P., thanks for being a part of helping me roll with the changes. I mean that.


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After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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Hey C.P., I just reread the lyrics to Roll With the Changes again, and it sounds like an op asking someone to leave their partner. think

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After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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Originally Posted by MyJourney
Hey C.P., I just reread the lyrics to Roll With the Changes again, and it sounds like an op asking someone to leave their partner. think


Just remember, most lyrics are subjective... Some are contextually clear, but not many. laugh

Thought that since we're sharing "road tunes", I'd kick one in. This is what I think you need MJ...'a little bit of resolve'.

Foo Fighters - Resolve
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Something that I felt today, something that I heard
Swingin' from the chandeliers, hanging on your word
I remember watchin' you once upon a time
Dancing from across the room in another life

A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how
A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how

Lookin' back to find my way, never seemed so hard
Yesterday's been laid to rest, changing of the guard
I would never change a thing even if I could
All the songs we used to sing, everything was good

A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how
A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how

One more year that you're not here
It's gone and passed you by
What happened to you, what happened to you
One more tear that you won't hear
That's gone and passed you by
What happened to you, what happened to you

A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how
A little bit of resolve is what I need now
Pin me down, show me how

A little bit of resolve
One more year that you're not here
It's gone and passed you by (A little bit of resolve)
A little bit of resolve
One more year that you're not here
It's gone and passed you by (A little bit of resolve)


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Originally Posted by MyJourney
..I mentioned upthread that I heard that song, Time for Me to Fly not that long ago and I turned up the volume! Someone mentioned that they use to sing it in the shower after a breakup. Was that you? Lol......

Oops! Yeah that was me, lol. Guess I forgot I allraedy mentioned it.

Yeah I like that song I'll pray for you too.

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Originally Posted by MyJourney
Hey C.P., I just reread the lyrics to Roll With the Changes again, and it sounds like an op asking someone to leave their partner. think


Lol well I never saw it that way, but like IAT said, lyrics are mostly subjective.

I saw it as a BS waiting for thier WS to get it together and work with them, sorta grow up so to speak. Kinds "here I am, this is who I am, now lets get to work and deal"


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Itsa!!!! smile

How are you? I hope you're doing ok. No, better than ok. Please give us an update when you can. I've missed your humor around here.

Thank you for the song. Love it. And yes, resolve is exactly what I'd like to have.

I wanted answers to questions I'd probably never get the true answers to. So, I've decided to change my questions. wink

Great to hear from you Itsa.

C.P.....I agree with you and Itsa that lyrics can be subjective, and I like your perception of that song better. smile

So, do you sing out loud in the shower? grin

Like this guy? wink





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Originally Posted by MyJourney
.So, do you sing out loud in the shower? grin

Like this guy? wink

rotflmao Smoked to many years and don't sing anymore, but yeah I used to have decent set of pipes. faint

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MJ!!! dance2

I always think to myself "not Michael Jackson" whenever I write 'MJ'. Hehe. Just thought I'd share that.

Glad you like the song. I know REO to Foo Fighters is quite a jump, but I figured what the hay. And, since lyrics are subjective, I was pretty sure all of us here on the D would read the song pretty similarly.

I do need to do an update. Although, not a whole lot to update. STBX responded to the petitions..agreed to everything including placement with me. She also FINALLY went looking at apartments yesterday. Guess she didn't have much luck. I still don't speak/look at her; only email. She asks me stuff occasionally, and I usually give a very short answer.

Other than that, DS and I have had a blast together for months now. We start our horse riding lessons (his 2nd year, my 1st!) this weekend. We're both stoked about that.

Just keepin busy really. And enjoying what I can. Even if a certain someone doesn't want to enjoy it with me. stickout

I think you're doing great MJ. Just keep it one day at a time, one foot in front of the other.

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dance2 <------ Michael Jackson singing Beat it

My stbx likes Michael Jackson. I packed up his stuff out of my bedroom closet finally, and there were some old Jackson records in his stuff. Also, on one of his social forums, he added some songs to his page and Michael's Billy Jean song was one of them. Oh, and Desperado too. MrRollieEyes

Changing subject.

Thanks for the update! How do you tell someone you're glad to hear the "divorce is moving along well"? It just doesn't sound right to me....lol...Maybe I should say that I'm glad that she's not making things "more difficult for you". Yeah. That's better. smile

And how in the hayul do you guys stay sane living in the same house with a stbx? I would seriously want to shoot myself. Those of you who have to do that deserve some kind of medal. Have you offered to help her look for an apartment....lol...Heck for that matter, maybe you could sign her up on Adultfriendfinder so she'll "need her space"! Hahahahaha....Have any single enemies? laugh

Glad to hear you're having fun with your son. I love that you are doing the horse lessons together. That's awesome. What's her face is missing out.

My kids are a wonderful distraction for me these days. We've been having a ton of fun too.

Life is getting better and better, even in the midst of the dark knights. There is light at the end of the tunnel. See ya on the other side buddy.



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Lol, yeah REO is ancient now,(God am I old) Lol

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Lol, yeah REO is ancient now,(God am I old) Lol
Jeez, I was old when REO was young!!! grumble


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Originally Posted by MyJourney
Maybe I should say that I'm glad that she's not making things "more difficult for you". Yeah. That's better. smile

Yeah, hard to word that one. laugh But, she isn't making anything easy, per say. The fact that she is still assuming that I'm making plans based of what "I know" she is planning on doing, even though she doesn't tell me anything... Well, let's just say, soon enough I'll only be raising one child. But, when DS gets to be a teen, I already have some practice! LOL.

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And how in the hayul do you guys stay sane living in the same house with a stbx? I would seriously want to shoot myself. Those of you who have to do that deserve some kind of medal. Have you offered to help her look for an apartment....lol...Heck for that matter, maybe you could sign her up on Adultfriendfinder so she'll "need her space"! Hahahahaha....Have any single enemies? laugh

It is very trying at times. I can be in the best of moods, but as soon as we're in the same house....BOOM! Bye bye good mood. It effects me and how I am with DS at the moment. But, I usually try and keep the "family" time to a minimum and go do my own thing and let them have time. Honestly, she only sees him in the morning for about 40 minutes a day before the bus, and then maybe 5 hours a week other than that. But, she tried to tell me that I'm trying to turn him against her, because I do all this stuff with him. Guilt much? So sad really...

Good idea on the AFF. Maybe after the dust settles, I'll kick it back up a little. smile

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Glad to hear you're having fun with your son. I love that you are doing the horse lessons together. That's awesome. What's her face is missing out.

Exactly. And she knows it...

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Life is getting better and better, even in the midst of the dark knights. There is light at the end of the tunnel. See ya on the other side buddy.


I'll bring the beer and turntable. You bring the Speedwagon records...

And stop talking about how old you guys are, CP and Fred. Music is timeless. I bet I don't know anyone who was alive when Beethhoven wrote 'Moonlight' or the Egmont...but, I still listen to it. laugh


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Married: Jan 2005         DS: 6 years old
DDay #1: 12 Mar 2008    Failed Recovery #1: Jun 2008 - Jun 2010
DDay #2: 28 Jun 2010     Failed Recovery #2: Aug 2010 - Sep 2010
Plan A/Limbo: Sep 2010 - 24 Jan 2011
DDay #3: 29 Jan 2011
On OM#4, that I know of...
D Filed: 11 Feb 2011
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Originally Posted by MyJourney
Maybe I should say that I'm glad that she's not making things "more difficult for you". Yeah. That's better. smile

Yeah, hard to word that one. laugh But, she isn't making anything easy, per say. The fact that she is still assuming that I'm making plans based of what "I know" she is planning on doing, even though she doesn't tell me anything... Well, let's just say, soon enough I'll only be raising one child. But, when DS gets to be a teen, I already have some practice! LOL.

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And how in the hayul do you guys stay sane living in the same house with a stbx? I would seriously want to shoot myself. Those of you who have to do that deserve some kind of medal. Have you offered to help her look for an apartment....lol...Heck for that matter, maybe you could sign her up on Adultfriendfinder so she'll "need her space"! Hahahahaha....Have any single enemies? laugh

It is very trying at times. I can be in the best of moods, but as soon as we're in the same house....BOOM! Bye bye good mood. It effects me and how I am with DS at the moment. But, I usually try and keep the "family" time to a minimum and go do my own thing and let them have time. Honestly, she only sees him in the morning for about 40 minutes a day before the bus, and then maybe 5 hours a week other than that. But, she tried to tell me that I'm trying to turn him against her, because I do all this stuff with him. Guilt much? So sad really...

Good idea on the AFF. Maybe after the dust settles, I'll kick it back up a little. smile

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Glad to hear you're having fun with your son. I love that you are doing the horse lessons together. That's awesome. What's her face is missing out.

Exactly. And she knows it...

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Life is getting better and better, even in the midst of the dark knights. There is light at the end of the tunnel. See ya on the other side buddy.


I'll bring the beer and turntable. You bring the Speedwagon records...

And stop talking about how old you guys are, CP and Fred. Music is timeless. I bet I don't know anyone who was alive when Beethhoven wrote 'Moonlight' or the Egmont...but, I still listen to it. laugh


I like new bands too, its just that I don't listen to music and seek to be connected like I used to. As a matter of fact, what it serves to be a purpose is that many people can have the same questions and troubles, and that we are not alone in them.

What I told my now 24 year old manager at AT&T,(proud of him also), when the cheese fell way off Moms cracker back in 2006, and he was dreaming of promoting his band and was living somewhere else because our family had exploded, ...was that music can present a connectivness and express problems very well, but I want solutions instead.
Just like people can study trees and splice the genes, I want to know who created them, that was better than changing them, IMHO. Same with people, just because a sensitive and expressive person can relate to my problems, does not mean they have an answer to them. Years ago I thought they might, but now I see they are just asking the question in a different way.

Music makes me think, and connects us, I think thats its purpose also, along with the spiritual side of it.


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Lol, yeah REO is ancient now,(God am I old) Lol
Jeez, I was old when REO was young!!! grumble

Yeah Freddo, I know what you mean, I remember going in and out of music for years, mostly top 40 stuff and when those new kids like The Police came out. When my BIL who was 14 started smoking weed and rocking out to KISS after his 76 year old Dad died, I had to set him straight on the spirit behind it. After all I was 19 and so much more grown up. "Detroit Rock City" was a rockin tune though and appealed to that rebelious nature even in my serious nature.

The latest group I was hypnotised with was Creed, back in the 90s, although I listen to allmost all of them, and try to understand what they are saying. It seems music reachs us and means the most when we are in emotional turmoil of some kind. I try to be careful of what I listen to, because it has allways had such a profound effect on my emotions. Cerebral groups like The Who to party groups like The J. Giels Band all have thier place, but I take them all with a grain of salt.

Something interesting I heard in Christian circles, was that Satan was in charge of music before he fell from Heaven. Thier is a lot in mythology also about Pan who was the hairy little trouble maker who played the pipe and coaxed people into mischief. It was said that Pan was relegated into the role of the Devil in Christianity. The interesting part was that although everybody blamed Pan for their bad behavior, the people chained themselves to him willingly.

Kinda sounds like people doesn't it? Blame shifting because of their own choices. Reminds me of Flip Wilsons "Geraldine" character, "The Devil made me do it!"

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Sorry I haven't responded to the playful banter on here the last few days. I'm feeling down. I hate this rollercoaster.

My stbx informed me this week he is getting his own apartment now, and moving out of his sisters. It's just one more move away from me permanently.

I have been pretty successful in my forgivness towards him, for my own healing. The one thing that can still hurt me deep inside is how he saw how much it hurt me over the last few years with what he did, and he CHOSE to hurt me that way again. My forgivness for that is a work in progress.

It's funny because he was so frustrated that I couldn't forgive and forget on his time schedule. I am now where he wanted me to be the last 4 yrs, but he was impatient. Not to mention, he couldn't do the same for me.

Since we're still discussing songs....I've been hearing this song for the last few weeks, and I loved the music, but didn't pay close attention to the words until last night. I looked the lyrics up, and the song is fitting for me right now. It pulled some heart strings because one of my dreams was to sail off somewhere with my husband. Just replace me for the guy in the song.......


Southern Cross by Crosby, Stills, and Nash

Lyrics:

Got out of town on a boat
Goin' to Southern islands.
Sailing a reach
Before a followin' sea.
She was makin' for the trades
On the outside,
And the downhill run
To Papeete.
Off the wind on this heading
Lie the Marquesas.
We got eighty feet of the waterline.
Nicely making way.
In a noisy bar in Avalon
I tried to call you.
But on a midnight watch I realized
Why twice you ran away.
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Think about how many times
I have fallen
Spirits are using me
larger voices callin'.
What heaven brought you and me
Cannot be forgotten.
I have been around the world,
Lookin' for that woman/girl,
Who knows love can endure.
And you know it will.
And you know it will.
When you see the Southern Cross
For the first time
You understand now
Why you came this way
'Cause the truth you might be runnin' from
Is so small.
But it's as big as the promise
The promise of a comin' day.
So I'm sailing for tomorrow
My dreams are a dyin'.
And my love is an anchor tied to you
Tied with a silver chain.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name.
Chorus
Think about how many times
I have fallen
Spirits are using me
larger voices callin'.
What heaven brought you and me
Cannot be forgotten.
I have been around the world,
Lookin' for that woma/girl,
Who knows love can endure.
And you know it will.
And you know it will.
So we cheated and we lied
And we tested
And we never failed to fail
It was the easiest thing to do.
You will survive being bested.
Somebody fine
Will come along
Make me forget about loving you.
At the Southern Cross.




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D-yr fall 06-fall 07
Separated 10/2010
Him-several affairs, last one 3/2011
Divorced filed 3/2011, final 3/2012

Formerly "Mopey".
http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2013149&page=1

After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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