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#2579245 12/30/11 11:11 AM
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I'm new to this site and online forums as well.*

I've been married 10 years. I thought we had a great marriage. Very active sex life at least daily. I've tried to keep it interesting, pictures to his phone, flirting txts, "games". We have similar interests and hobbies and genuinely enjoy each others company. He's always seemed so proud of me and I have been of him too.

I've never been jealous or kept him from hanging out with his friends or his hobbies. Never watched him or doubted him. I trusted him completely.

About 2 months ago he started questioning if I was cheating and I caught him going through my phone. I didn't care as I have nothing to hide but thought it was very odd. I leave my phone out all the time and noticed he kept his with him non stop. Had the ringer on silent.*

I knew something was up but didn't know what. He kept saying all was great. Last night I caught him on the phone with "her". He thought I was out with the horses. He was telling her she had to stop calling him, that he made a huge mistake, that he wanted nothing to do with her and she was ruining his life.*

I calmly walked in. He hung up. Tried to tell me he was advising a friend. Then finally told me it was a ONS two mos ago at his buddies poker party. I know her. She's 10 years older and a fringe acquaintance. Comes to parties and tries to flirt with all the guys. Not attractive, loud, abrasive. A friend of a friend most of us tolerate. She was at the party visiting with her friend, my husband's friend's wife, who was hosting the poker party. I remember my husband calling saying he was too drunk to drive home and could I pick him up. I had just gotten the kids to bed and asked if he could just crash on the couch and I'd see him in the morning. I remember thinking how awesome he didn't drive and slept like a baby.

Well, she woke him up on the couch and played with him and rubbed up against him. He remembers *edit*, supposedly.*

I just said "oh". Went and bathed the kids and put them to bed in the guest room and slept like I was in a coma. I'm numb. He's going crazy. He's sick and keeps calling and txting. She has been calling him non stop and even showed up at his work a few times, I guess. He is an attorney and I know everyone from his firm.*

I just can't even talk to him right now. Have no idea what to do. Actually feels better just typing this out.*

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Originally Posted by Reves
I've never been jealous or kept him from hanging out with his friends or his hobbies. Never watched him or doubted him. I trusted him completely.

Reves, I am so sorry you are here. Welcome to Marriage Builders. The path to recovery after an affair is very slim but if you do these things your marriage can recover. Most marriages do not recover from affairs, they limp along in a crippled state of the pre-affair marriage and are more vulnernable after an affair then before. But you don't have to be like that if you follow this program. The ones who don't follow this path usually end up back here a few years later with repeat affairs.

The first step is for him to end all contact for life with the OW. That means sending her a no contact letter and cutting off contact. I will post the letter below. Next step is change the environment that led to the affair. The reason he had the affair is he hangs out with friends and you DON"T WATCH him. Too much trust leads to sloppy boundaries that leads to affairs. The separate leisure lifestyles you and your H lead is an invitation to an affair.

I would also expose the affair to your families and most especially your circle of friends. They need to know so they don't invite you to an event with the OW. And your families need to know so they can support your marriage.

Get the book, Surviving an Affair by Dr Harley, and follow the program outlined in there. In a nutshell, here is what it will take to recover your marriage:

Originally Posted by Dr Harley in Requirements for Recovery
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.
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Originally Posted by Dr Harley
My advice is to write a final letter in a way that the victimized spouse would agree to send it. It should begin with a statement of how selfish it was to cause those they loved so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it's the right thing to do. A statement should be made about how much the unfaithful spouse cares about his spouse and family, and for their protection, has decided to completely end the relationship with the lover. He or she has promised never to see or communicate with the lover again in life, and asks the lover to respect that promise. Nothing should be said about how much the lover will be missed. After the letter is written, the victimized spouse should read and approve it before it is sent
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[from SAA, pg 58]

OW, I want you to know that out of respect and love for my wife and children, I have come to realize that I must never see or talk to you again. My relationship with you was a cruel indulgence that BS did not deserve. While I cannot completely repay BS for the pain I caused her, I will do my best to become the husband she has been missing. I care a great deal for my family and I would not want to do anything to risk their happiness. I will not make any further contact with you and I do not want you to make any contact with me. Please respect my desire to end our relationship.

Sincerely, XXXXX



"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by Reves
She was at the party visiting with her friend, my husband's friend's wife, who was hosting the poker party. I remember my husband calling saying he was too drunk to drive home and could I pick him up. I had just gotten the kids to bed and asked if he could just crash on the couch and I'd see him in the morning. I remember thinking how awesome he didn't drive and slept like a baby.

This is NOT conducive to a marriage. As you have learned the hard way. That is very unhealthy.


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You need to read Surviving An Affair.

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Thank you so much for the information.

Here's the weird thing. We do so much together, hobbies, sports, just hanging around. The "funny" thing is it's my childhood that should have led me to stray, not his. I had a horribly abusive childhood. Not him.

I don't have any family left but am very close to his. I don't want them to know.

I'm so numb. I slept in the guest bedroom and got up and have the kids around me. It's like I can be normal with them and enjoy them but I don't even see him even when he's in the same room.

He's an attorney and needed to go into work today but he's home freaking out. He's terrified I'm going to leave him. The sad thing is it feels like I already did. My feelings just went "click".

I know this women only by a few conversations and never cared for her, but I don't have any anger toward her. She's so...irrelevant to me. It's his actions I'm blindsided by. I actually would have expected hers.

I also feel like I'm not reacting normally at all. I've checked other sites and seen the huge reactions other spouses have when discovering and I have none of those. I realize I'm in shock but seriously? I've said almost nothing to him. He's cried (he NEVER does that) thrown up, paced and I've just observed like I'm watching a movie. It's like he's a total stranger.

I even caught myself being startled that he was even in a room a walked in as if he didn't belong in our home. I think I'm not dealing well but somehow not even that thought is sinking in.

The strange thing is the wife of the friend whose house it was thought something was up and had told me she was bothered by it and I actually reassured her that there was no way. She is friends with this woman but has started to distance herself. I can't bring myself to call her and tell her. I know I need to but am afraid she'll feel guilty or responsible and she's not at all!!!

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I know that you are surprised by your reactions right now, but you most definitely ARE in shock.

Read through what you can, make sure you take excellent care of yourself and get started on the things ML suggested(exposure etc). You will need to have No Contact for LIFE with OW and so will your WH. You can't know anything about her, ever.

Sorry you are here. We all understand


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Originally Posted by Reves
She is friends with this woman but has started to distance herself. I can't bring myself to call her and tell her. I know I need to but am afraid she'll feel guilty or responsible and she's not at all!!!

Reves. She needs to know the truth about this woman so that she can protect her own family and the families of her friends.

I think she may shocked to find that you did not warn her.


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I will tell her. We're all supposed to go to a New Year's Eve party at their home. About 25 people and their kids are invited. I've looked forward to it and am helping her with food. Dear God, how am I supposed to do this without letting on? Do I tell her before this?

Many of the attorneys from my husbands firm will be there. She's showed up at his work but he's explained her away.

He keeps telling me to ask him whatever I need to and he'll answer but I don't want to ask him anything. What's there to ask? I could tell by the tone in his voice when he was taking on the phone to her that he was disgusted by her. That somehow makes all this even worse for me. To do something like this with someone that he's repulsed by. Smart move, dude.


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If OW is at that party, then you and your WH must not be.


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She will be. I am bringing many of the dishes. I don't see how I can not be there. My husband says he'll do whatever I want. He's wanting to call his friend and tell him what he did.

I honestly don't have a problem being around her. That's beyond weird isn't it? What's wrong with me. I'm doing all the things I normally do. Worked out, fed the horses. Worked on training. Playing with the kids.

I haven responded to some txts from my friends and a few have called because my silence is not normal but I don't know what to say. I don't lie. Ever. Have no clue how to navigate this road. I don't want to share this with anyone right now.

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Originally Posted by Reves
I will tell her. We're all supposed to go to a New Year's Eve party at their home. About 25 people and their kids are invited. I've looked forward to it and am helping her with food. Dear God, how am I supposed to do this without letting on? Do I tell her before this?

And this is exactly why you need to tell everyone in your circle of friends. TODAY. You have to make it clear that you won't attend any function that includes the OW. And everyone needs to know so the other couples can protect their marriages from the OW and your husband. The more people who know, the more people to hold them accountable.


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Originally Posted by Reves
I haven responded to some txts from my friends and a few have called because my silence is not normal but I don't know what to say. I don't lie. Ever. Have no clue how to navigate this road. I don't want to share this with anyone right now.

Reves, please try and focus on what we are telling you. You need to tell your friends and you need to make it clear that you won't be at any party that includes the OW. Your H needs to send her a no contact letter TODAY. Neither of you should ever be around her again.


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If OW is at that party, then you and your WH must not be.

If you did not fully internalize what it was Scotland typed, let me clarify this for you.

If OW is at that party, then you and your WH must not be.

Yes, regrets at this late time will be "messy", but friend's wife can get the canap�s from some other source. Going there with her there would be a tacit acknowledgement that her actions (and his) were "unfortunate", but just one of those things.

Even if she's NOT there, how could you endure (without puking) sitting on the couch where all this took place?

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TELL the friends wife about the affair. TODAY. Tell your other friends in this social circle so you are not dealing with this in the future. You can do this by phone call or email. The more people who know the more people to hold them accountable.


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You're all right. I called her and told her. She's devastated and kept apologizing to me. It's not her fault and I don't blame her at all!! She wants to cancel her party. I hate this.

I txted my two closest friends and they're calling even though I said I don't feel like talking right now. I honestly wish my husband would go to work. I don't want him around right now. At all!

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Does he work with OW?


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Stop saying the OW is irrelevant and you feel nothing for her.

Believe me, that is temporary.

She is a dreadful person who participated in something dreadful with your H.

Yes, he crossed a line and broke his sacred vow of fidelity to you but it took two to tango.

Yes, you hate this situation. It is an awful situation.

Don't try to make light of it or expect others to make light of it.

Be open with others. Get support from them and get ready to go through ups and downs of dealing with it all. You are human. You are not unique in your thoughts. It is still new.







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Good for standing up for yourself! Dont be a doormat for your husband to wipe his cheating feet on!

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Originally Posted by Reves
You're all right. I called her and told her. She's devastated and kept apologizing to me. It's not her fault and I don't blame her at all!! She wants to cancel her party. I hate this.

I txted my two closest friends and they're calling even though I said I don't feel like talking right now. I honestly wish my husband would go to work. I don't want him around right now. At all!

Hugs to you, my friend! hug I know you are in pain today but you are doing a good job taking action in spite of your overwhelming emotions. THAT is the trait that will carry you through.

I think it is a good idea for your H to be there with you now so he is not tempted to contact the OW.

I would also suggest that you call your families so you can get their support. You need the support of your family and friends right now.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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