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Originally Posted by Krazy71
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Perhaps you should take up your disagreements with Dr Harley directly. And BTW, I didn't use the terms "cheating' or "adultery".

Dr. Harley does, right here:

Originally Posted by SugerCane
So as long as a man views pornographic images of adult women who freely give their consent, what's the fuss all about? The most commonly expressed problem with pornography is given by wives. They see it as a form of infidelity, with their husbands having a sexual experience outside of their marriage. And I believe that they're right. Pornography represents a sexual experience to men that is with someone other than their wives.

I wouldn't claim to know more than Dr. Harley, but this opinion is a fringe belief. He also believes that a person can't be satisfied by a woman once they've masturbated to more attractive women. This is strictly opinion, and based on no hard data.

Some people can gamble and be fine. Some people can't handle it, and lose everything. Porn, in my opinion, is no different.
Okay, Krazy! I'll defer to your expertise.


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I'm always careful to add "in my opinion" when that is what I'm stating.


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Qualified by?

Is it backed by any study? A random survey?

If you are a single dude who is... ahem... relieving some tension, fine. More power to you.

However, the problem now isn't porn in and of itself, it is the vast amount of material that is instantly available.

It's a slippery slope, and the effects are mounting. There are more and more young men who are getting buried in porn to a point that they can no longer function with a flesh and blood woman.

I had a reverse-contrast effect in my viewing days, making selections based on likeness to my wife. Blondes? Meh. Tall? Meh. Cute little brunettes? Thank you.

I much prefer what I have at home.


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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
It's a slippery slope, and the effects are mounting. There are more and more young men who are getting buried in porn to a point that they can no longer function with a flesh and blood woman.

Is there a single piece of credible evidence to back this up? I'm 40, and I've never heard of a single example of this. Ever.

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I had a reverse-contrast effect in my viewing days, making selections based on likeness to my wife. Blondes? Meh. Tall? Meh. Cute little brunettes? Thank you.

I much prefer what I have at home.

That's great, but if you can do it, what makes you think other men can't or won't?

Porn is to cheating what guns are to murder.


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Dude, have you NO idea how this game is played?

In an exchange such as the one you initiated, you'll find yourself exchanging debate points with too many folks. The result is that your answers will be twisted and flexed in 100's of directions at once, until your frustration level reaches the "notify" level. One of the female posters uses her finger, and the moderator on duty heeds the "bonds of sisterhood" and zaps you into oblivion. (Not that this has ever happened to ME, of course!)

Give it up, dude. The best solution is not to play.

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Originally Posted by NeverGuessed
Dude, have you NO idea how this game is played?

In an exchange such as the one you initiated, you'll find yourself exchanging debate points with too many folks. The result is that your answers will be twisted and flexed in 100's of directions at once, until your frustration level reaches the "notify" level. One of the female posters uses her finger, and the moderator on duty heeds the "bonds of sisterhood" and zaps you into oblivion.
Oh, is that how it works? All I have to do to get rid of a post I don't like is be female and hit "notify"?

Let me try it with this post right now...


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Bah, there's no need for anyone to get their panties in a wad, including me. LOL


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Originally Posted by Krazy71
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It's a slippery slope, and the effects are mounting. There are more and more young men who are getting buried in porn to a point that they can no longer function with a flesh and blood woman.

Is there a single piece of credible evidence to back this up? I'm 40, and I've never heard of a single example of this. Ever.

Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
I had a reverse-contrast effect in my viewing days, making selections based on likeness to my wife. Blondes? Meh. Tall? Meh. Cute little brunettes? Thank you.

I much prefer what I have at home.

That's great, but if you can do it, what makes you think other men can't or won't?

Porn is to cheating what guns are to murder.

You take my admitting use as something other than intended.

I will dignify your request for sources when I get home from work.


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One article containing further sources of information regarding porn and erectile dysfunction;

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ed-sexual-dysfunction-is-growing-problem

Beyond that, get on Google. Not really my job to educate you if you want to stick your fingers in your ears and say "Not listening, nyeah nyeah nyeah!"


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One of the female posters uses her finger, and the moderator on duty heeds the "bonds of sisterhood" and zaps you into oblivion. (Not that this has ever happened to ME, of course!)
Have you ever considered that a male moderator may have moderated you? think


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It's such a serious condition that the cure involves *gasp* no porn or masturbation for 2 or 3 months.

Hardly a reason to sound alarms.


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Have you ever considered that a male moderator may have moderated you?

MB, do you not know me well enough to know that I would have tracked such things?

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Originally Posted by Krazy71
It's such a serious condition that the cure involves *gasp* no porn or masturbation for 2 or 3 months.

Hardly a reason to sound alarms.

Porn, masturbation, or orgasm - and then lifelong abstinence from porn.

And the onus on seriousness rests on the sufferer, as well as their wives or girlfriends.

But, you know, you being right is more important than the marriage and sexual problems of others, so it's all gooooood.


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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Originally Posted by Krazy71
It's such a serious condition that the cure involves *gasp* no porn or masturbation for 2 or 3 months.

Hardly a reason to sound alarms.

Porn, masturbation, or orgasm - and then lifelong abstinence from porn.

And the onus on seriousness rests on the sufferer, as well as their wives or girlfriends.

But, you know, you being right is more important than the marriage and sexual problems of others, so it's all gooooood.

Porn isn't the problem. People without self-control are.


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Originally Posted by Krazy71
Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Originally Posted by Krazy71
It's such a serious condition that the cure involves *gasp* no porn or masturbation for 2 or 3 months.

Hardly a reason to sound alarms.

Porn, masturbation, or orgasm - and then lifelong abstinence from porn.

And the onus on seriousness rests on the sufferer, as well as their wives or girlfriends.

But, you know, you being right is more important than the marriage and sexual problems of others, so it's all gooooood.

Porn isn't the problem. People without self-control are.

Porn is a huge problem in marriage. It wrecks the sex lives and intimacy in marriages. We see the fallout of this on the forum every day.


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by Krazy71
Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
Originally Posted by Krazy71
It's such a serious condition that the cure involves *gasp* no porn or masturbation for 2 or 3 months.

Hardly a reason to sound alarms.

Porn, masturbation, or orgasm - and then lifelong abstinence from porn.

And the onus on seriousness rests on the sufferer, as well as their wives or girlfriends.

But, you know, you being right is more important than the marriage and sexual problems of others, so it's all gooooood.

Porn isn't the problem. People without self-control are.

Porn is a huge problem in marriage. It wrecks the sex lives and intimacy in marriages. We see the fallout of this on the forum every day.

Change "porn" to "people who lack self-control", and I agree with you 100%.

I don't blame guns for murder, video games for violence, or porn for cheating...or for non-functional pee-pees.


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Originally Posted by Krazy71
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Change "porn" to "people who lack self-control", and I agree with you 100%.
I don't blame guns for murder, video games for violence, or porn for cheating...or for non-functional pee-pees.

You don't understand the basic problem. The problem with porn is the contrast effect. Not to mention that masturbation takes away from the sexual satisfaction in marriage. None of those issues are present with guns, video games, etc, so that analogy is not valid.


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Krazy, we see problems stemming from porn on this forum and the radio show every week. It is a huge problem. There is one such case right now over on the MB101 forum where the H is watching porn and slapping the ole monkey and won't have sex with his wife anymore. It is destroying their marriage. And that is not the exception, but the rule. This comes up every week as a problem.

And what is the best way to effectively "control" porn problems? Stop doing it. It has no place in marriage.


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And what is the best way to effectively "control" porn problems? Stop doing it. It has no place in marriage.

I think we agree. People need to take responsibility for their actions.


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Also, according the article linked earlier from Psychology Today, researchers are finding a physiological effect, not just psychological. Even many younger men (between 20 and 30 years of age) who engage in hard core porn are finding themselves without the ability to even have an erection the normal way. It has something to do with the dopamine levels released during the viewing of porn. Like most addictions, this feels really great, but the feeling begins to diminish. So we up the ante and that feels great for a while and so it continues. It's possible to engage in this stuff 24/7.

The article states that "in some porn users, the response to dopamine is dropping so low that they can't achieve an erection without constant hits of dopamine via the Internet."

And further "Many men don't realize their brain's sensitivity is declining toward normal sex because Internet erotica delivers endless dopamine hits�making erection and climax possible where normal encounters would not. When they try to have actual intercourse and cannot, they understandably panic."

Some people think it's no big deal to end the problem in a couple or three months. But it's like withdrawal from any other addiction with cravings, anxiety, irritability. Who wants it? Why not just not do it in the first place?

Not everyone has the self control to stick with a couple of photographs every so often, especially if they can justify that since they're not married, then who cares. Problem is that once it becomes a habit, it is often carried into the marriage.


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