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AandE,
Given the length of the affair there is a very strong possibility that your children already know and are just too terrified to tell you fearing they will be a fault for destroying the marriage. In my experience kids just keep their mouths shut and internalize the pain and I've had a number of people confide this to me.
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I will not have a problem to have a responsible conversation with my children and other family members. I am genuinly concerned about my sick parents. There is no guarantee that someone does not spill the news. I need to be very considerate. Especially that I cannot travel 5,000 miles and be there to talk to them in person. That is why exposure is such a huge problem for me - their health vs my feeling.
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With all the respect, no they do not know. A large distance, sporadic trips, bussiness trips and the virtual world are perfect hiding places. So, my children are clueless, so was I. How would they know ? I understand that there is rainbow of different experiences out there. That is my experience. I have just learned, they do not know, and yes it lasted 11 years. what can I say, more ?
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These are extremely important issue. I certainly do not want them to learn from my children or other family members. Can we responsibly discuss that aspect of exposure ? Of course. And it is irresponsible to NOT tell your children and family members because they are all just as affected as you. Affairs thrive on secrecy, so keeping it a secret only serves to ENABLE IT. It helps no one - NO ONE - to sweep his affair under the rug. The only thing it helps is the affair. Even adult children are not made happy or secure by believing lies and illusions about their parents. Here are some quotes from Dr Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders, about telling children and other family members. Hiding the OW from your children makes it possible for her to show up in your lives unprotested, do you realize that? She can show up at his funeral. Or worse yet, show up at yours if you happen to pass before your H. And your children would never know. That happened to me when own dad passed. As you already know, I�m a strong advocate of honesty and openness in marriage. I call it transparency�letting your spouse know everything about you, especially your faults. But should that level of openness carry into the public arena? I believe that it should in cases of extreme irresponsibility, and that certainly includes infidelity. When you have done something very hurtful to someone else, others -- especially those who care for you the most -- should know about it. Such exposure helps prevent a recurrence of the offense. Your closest friends and relatives will be keeping an eye on you�holding you accountable. The same can be said about telling children about an affair. My experience with the positive outcomes of hundreds of families where an affair has been exposed to children has led me to encourage a betrayed spouse not to fear such exposure. In fact, to mislead children, giving other false explanations as to why their parents are not getting along, causes children to be very confused. When they finally discover the truth, it sets an example to children that dishonesty is sometimes acceptable, making them the judge of when that might occur.
An affair is an attack on children as well as the betrayed spouse. And it's true that children are deeply affected by this form of irresponsible behavior. But it's the act of infidelity that causes children to suffer, not the exposure of it. Facts point us toward solutions. Illusion leads us astray. That's true for children as well as adults. here Q: So, you do suggest telling our 10 year old son? Is this more than he can handle? He never saw any real unhappiness as my husband and I had a very low conflict marriage. I have been protecting our son from this truth. He still has hope that his dad is going to come home. ___________________________________ A: As for your son, the truth will come out eventually, even if you get back together again. And your son won't be emotionally crippled if he hears the truth. It's lies and deception that cripple children. He should know that your husband is choosing his lover over his son's mother. It's a fact. He's willing to ruin a family unit all for what.
When I first started recommending openness about an affair, I wasn't sure what would happen. But I did it because I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know that for most couples it marks the beginning of recovery. The reason that children should know about an affair is that exposing it to the light of day (letting everyone know), helps give the unfaithful spouse a dose of reality. An affair thrives on illusion, and whatever a betrayed spouse can do to eliminate the illusion is justifiable. Mold doesn't grow well in sunlight. here2. How honest should I be about the A? (they are 7 and under)
Tell your children as much as you can about their father's affair, and how it affects you. There are some counselors and lawyers that strongly disagree with me on this issue, but I have maintained that position for over 35 years without any evidence that children are hurt by it. They're hurt by the affair, not by accurate information regarding the affair. Just make sure that you don't combine accurate information with disrespectful judgments. For example, you can say that the OW has taken their father away from you, but you should not say that she is home-wrecker (or worse). hereMy basic approach to life is that radical honesty is valuable on many different dimensions. It keeps us out of trouble, it helps others understand us, and it helps others avoid the same mistakes we have made. Letting your children know the details of your husband's affair would help them in all three areas.
The more your children know about your husband's affair, the more careful he will be to avoid them in the future.
The more your children know about his affair, the more they will understand what you are going through in your recovery (by the way, you are doing very well -- keep up the good work!).
Being radically honest about your husband's affair with your children would also help them avoid affairs themselves. How it happened and how could it have been prevented is a great object lesson for children. I learned that I was vulnerable for an affair when I learned about my grandfather's affairs. The extraordinary precautions I've taken were directly related to what I learned about him.
It's the approach I've always taken, and while it's difficult, especially for the WS, there's much more upside to it than downside. Another suggestion I make to a couple struggling to restore their marriage after one of them had an affair is to make the affair public. Everyone should know what happened -- children, relatives, friends, and especially the children and spouse of the lover -- so that the affair is exposed to the light of day. What often makes affairs appealing is that it is done in secret. Most affairs become very unappealing once everyone knows about it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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AandE,
One of the other reasons for exposure is that you no longer have to suffer the burden of carrying a secret when you did nothing wrong.
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With all the respect, no they do not know. A large distance, sporadic trips, bussiness trips and the virtual world are perfect hiding places. So, my children are clueless, so was I. How would they know ? How would you possibly KNOW?  Have you asked them? It is very typical for waywards to introduce their children to their adultery partners. By your own admission you were clueless about his affair. I was introduced to my several of my father's adultery partners and told they were his "friend." Since my father planned on replacing my mother/stepmother with his OW, he wanted me to meet his current OW. I was introduced to one at age 4 and another when I was 12-13. The latter was the "lady at our bank." The lady from the bank showed up again at my dad's funeral - turns out she was his mistress for 35 years.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Dear MB,
I do not seem to be getting answer about the aspect of exposure that can impact health of my ailing parents. My father is after multiple heart attacks, so is my Mom. I am asking how to protect them from the news once news is out ?
I have to recognize all the facts.
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I will not have a problem to have a responsible conversation with my children and other family members. I am genuinly concerned about my sick parents. There is no guarantee that someone does not spill the news. I need to be very considerate. Especially that I cannot travel 5,000 miles and be there to talk to them in person. That is why exposure is such a huge problem for me - their health vs my feeling. Most parents are happy to offer support to one of their children. They can be an invaluable resource. You need their support.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Dear Melodylane, Fair enough. From the letters read recently, I know that my daughter was introduced 9 years ago. I would say, my son and myself had no clues that he has been staying in touch with this woman for all these years. My son has never met her.
My daughter is on her own for last 7 years. (She does not live with us).
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Dear MB,
I do not seem to be getting answer about the aspect of exposure that can impact health of my ailing parents. My father is after multiple heart attacks, so is my Mom. I am asking how to protect them from the news once news is out ?
I have to recognize all the facts. Most parents are happy to be asked for support. Rather than harming them, they step in and offer an invaluable source of support. I would imagine it would be much less stressful for them to help you save your marriage than it would be if you get divorced. And you are more likely to get divorced if you DON'T expose the affair. By keeping the affair a secret, you allow it to thrive and grow and one of these days, your H will leave you for the OW if you don't do something. By protecting the affair like this, you make it more likely you will end up divorced. How will your parents feel about that? Will you be able to keep a divorce secret?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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My inlaws are older (in their 80's), and they were exposed of their wayward childs affair. I told them. It sounds like they are in far worse health than your parents. I exposed not only for support for me, but for their grandchildren as well. Your parents need to know. Plus you will need their support. As ML says, they may just be your most valuable resource for support that you need.
"Get busy living, or get busy dying"...... The Shawshank Redemption.
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AandE,
I do not seem to be getting answer about the aspect of exposure that can impact health of my ailing parents. My father is after multiple heart attacks, so is my Mom. I am asking how to protect them from the news once news is out ?
If you take the initiative then you can control what is said and how they hear it, better you than someone else.
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AandE,
I just want to check that we understood each other. I asked you about your sex, not your gender. I understand these two things to be different.
What is you your biological sex?
What is the biological sex of your spouse?
BW Married 1989 His PA 2003-2006 2 kids.
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Answer to your question: typically people in ill health don't die from hearing that their son in law is having an affair, and they will want to rise to the occasion of supporting you. My grandparents certainly rallied to support my father when my mother went wayward, and they were quite old. Their assistance was invaluable, for him, and for me (I was about 12). I have a question for you, and I hope you won't mind my asking, but sometimes people who are reluctant to reveal information are in this situation and are trying to hide it here: your marriage is a traditional male-female marriage, is that correct? The ambiguous wording above kind of threw me for a loop.
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AandE,
I just want to check that we understood each other. I asked you about your sex, not your gender. I understand these two things to be different.
What is you your biological sex?
What is the biological sex of your spouse? Your name is interesting in this regard. You are both the first man and the first woman?
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To clarify, Adamandeve, Dr Hs advice is tailored differently for men as opposed to women as men react differently to betrayal than women and wayward wives are typically more romantically attached to their affair partners than wayward husbands.
Much of the advice is gender neutral but the time scales are different, so we do need to know.
What would you do if you were not afraid?
"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.
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What is NOT gender neutral, though, is the concept of marriage. Dr Harley's advice is designed for traditional marriages between a biological man and a biological woman. If they are marriages between same sex or transgendered people, Dr Harley's advice is not tailored to them. The dynamics of those relationships are different.
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Sugarcane, is there something the poster said that leads you to believe they are transgendered or in a same sex marriage? Because I am not seeing it, and to belabor it is distracting.
Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience. (Oscar Wilde)
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It does seem odd for a woman to come here and ask for gender neutral advice and be so evasive about the question but the OP said they (she) has been married (legally, I assume) for 29 years and I don't believe same-sex marriage has been legal that long anywhere in this world.
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She uses the pronoun 'he' when referring to her spouse, claified that she is female, and uses the pronoun 'she' when referring to the AP, so all this gender confusion on the board's part is a distraction to the help this poster needs.
I know a woman in her early 60s who would rather convince you she is a robot than to reveal her true identity on the internet, so I'm giving this poster a pass on not wanting to reveal too much, and being unaware of the importance of gender to advice on infidelity.
As to the parent question, I think that has been answered, but I'll say that telling your parents what you are struggling with, and how great they have been in raising you to have thhe fortitude to fighht this thing and win, would be a great way to tell them and will gain their support without you even having to ask for it or making them feel burdened with it.
How about HIS parents, siblings, friends? You need to expose to people who will pressure him to pull his head out of his bum. Children included.
Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience. (Oscar Wilde)
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