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I'm thinking of exposing to just WH's parents and close friends. It's limited, I know, but like I said, I feel very uneasy about exposing. I do undestand the importance though, so I want to do it, I'm just terrified to do so.

Thanks for bumping the threads, I will look into them closely after work today.


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I have to confess that 4 years ago I had an EA and now the feelings from that are being brought up by this new mess. My EA lasted 2 weeks, consisting of emails and phone calls, there was no physical aspect, and when my husband found out I cut off all contact permanently (the OM lives in another state).
Now that I'm doing this exposure I feel guilty because my husband never told his parents about my EA, he only exposed me to my parents.

Should I tell my WH's parents about my past EA when I expose him for the recent EA he had?


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Should I tell my WH's parents about my past EA when I expose him for the recent EA he had?

100% yes.

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Anyone have thoughts on just exposing to WH's parents and close friends? I'm really scared to expose to my parents and I've told some friends in confidence for support. I know you're supposed to do everyone but I think in my case just WH's side of the family might be ok. I also don't want my parents and family to hold a grudge against my husband for life over this, especially since I think we have a good chance of working things out.
Please help! I'm terrified to do this but would feel better if the exposure was just to WH's parents and close friends. Do you think this would be ineffective?


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Originally Posted by Hoping1183
Anyone have thoughts on just exposing to WH's parents and close friends? I'm really scared to expose to my parents and I've told some friends in confidence for support. I know you're supposed to do everyone but I think in my case just WH's side of the family might be ok. I also don't want my parents and family to hold a grudge against my husband for life over this, especially since I think we have a good chance of working things out.
Please help! I'm terrified to do this but would feel better if the exposure was just to WH's parents and close friends. Do you think this would be ineffective?


It would be extremely ineffective. You are trying to spare your H's face so it will be 'easier' for him to be around them.

The thing is, its not supposed to be easy. Your WH needs to be watched with wary eyes and told that his behaviour is not approved of.

If he gets to still be seen as the decent and good son in law without doing anything to earn that reputation, then guess what? That's exactly what he will do - nothing.

So what if they feel he is unworthy of you and not worthy of being given a shot. They would be right at the present time. Over time he can earn their forgiveness by demonstrating care for you over and above the call of duty.

Your friends and family don't sound unreasonable or judgemental at all. They have judged him accurately based on past actions. They will judge accurately that his current actions are despicable. So if his future actions are positive, they will respond positively in turn - only when he has proved himself, which is what you want.

I say the following, because I was just like you once. I smoothed things over and hid things from my parents before I found MB.

Right now your family don't trust your judgment much, and they are right not to trust you because you are not honest with them.

They know you cover up for him. They feel lied to. They feel powerless to help you and feel the only way to help you stop sweeping your marital problems under the rug is to encourage you to leave him.

Instead, get them on board by being open and honest. Show them your conditions for recovery. Show them you will not be swayed by words but that you demand proof from WH. They will trust you more the more honesty you show.

From what you say of them, they are probably the best exposure targets you have. They will not support your marriage until the results of recovery are plain to see and that's fine.

Your WH does not deserve to dodge consequences and to have unearned respect. He must be encouraged to earn it.

Don't forget to expose to OW friends and family.



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BTW - you are in real pain and need your parents love and support. Don't underestimate how much they love you and how much you will need that in the months ahead.

Whether you go into recovery or plan B, you will really hurt some days. Don't hurt in secret.


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What about telling WH's parents about my EA 4 years ago when I do the exposure? I don't think they know about it and I just want to have things out in the open so they don't feel that I'm being one sided. My parents know about my EA already.


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Originally Posted by Hoping1183
Should I tell my WH's parents about my past EA when I expose him for the recent EA he had?

100% yes.


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I am freaking out. I'm about to do this exposure (albeit limited) and I'm so incredibly nervous. Do I tell my husband after I do the exposure or do I just say nothing to him when he calls me tonight? I feel almost like I am betraying him too now by doing this behind his back. I never do things like this, I'm always an open book with him. I was even so completely uncomfortable "snooping" because it seemed to unnatural to me.

I'm trying to work up the resolve to tell my parents and family too but I don't know if I can. I have resolved to tell his parents and close relatives and am planning to do it all tonight.


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Say NOTHING to him.

If you use Facebook to do any exposure, keep 1 minute between messages as they will temporarily bar you from messaging if you send too many off too soon.

He WILL be angry. But when he rants and raves about exposure, remind yourself that HE is the one who has done wrong (or sinned if you are religious).

Your marriage can survive his anger but NOT his infidelity. You ARE doing the right thing by exposing.

You should try to reach as many people as possible in this initial exposure because the odds are good that he will spin you as a crazy jealous woman to anyone he can.


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Here is my letter to his mother, which is essentially the same as what I will give to the others, except the others will be shorter. His dad I'm calling because I don't have his phone number. I translated this into English (the actual one I'm sending is below in Spanish, they don't speak English)
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It saddens me to inform you that my beloved husband has had various intimate relationships on the internet with other women in September and October of this year, which shattered my trust. There is no evidence of physical contact, just relationships on video chat. I want to recover our marriage. He told me that he will not do this again but the problem is that I'm scared it will happen again and worse than before in the future. I can't experience this type of pain again. If you have any influence on him please do what you can so that he doesn't have another affair. I want to stay married but I can't if this continues to happen.

I regret to tell you that I'm not innocent either. 4 years ago, before we married, I had a week long emotional affair. There was no physical relationship but the emotional affair hurt my husband greatly. I regret this so much. I immediately stopped all contact with the man and have been faithful ever since.
Please don't freak out about this, I don't want this to cause you any trauma. Please speak with or write to my husband calmly.

I'm sorry to have to tell you all this, but I felt it was very important in avoiding future affairs and saving our marriage.

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Me entristece informarte que mi querido esposo ha tenido varias relaciones intimas en el internet con otras mujeres en Septiembre y Octubre del ano pasado, rompiendo mi confianza. No hay evidencia de ningun contacto fisico, solo relaciones por video chat. Yo quiero recuperar nuestro matrimonio. El me dijo que no lo vuelva a hacer mas pero el problema es que tengo miedo de que esto pase de nuevo o que peores cosas van a pasar en el futuro. Yo no puedo pasar por este dolor de nuevo. Si tu tienes una influencia en el, por favor haz lo que tu puedas para que no me engane mas. Yo quiero mucho continuar estar casada con el pero no puedo si esto continua.

Lamento decirte que yo tampoco estoy inocente. Hace 4 anos, antes de que nos casamos, yo tuve una relacion emocional con un hombre que duro 2 semanas. No habia ninguna relacion fisica pero la engana emocional dano a Yandi mucho. Esto yo lamento mucho. Yo deje todo contacto con ese hombre y yo he sido completamente fiel desde cuando paso eso.

Por favor, no te pongas muy agitada sobre esto, no quiero que esto te cause trauma. Habla con Yandi o escribele un correo, pero con calma si puedas.

Disculpa por tener que decirte esto pero senti que era muy importante para que Yandi no vuelva a enganarme.


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Another thing -- the women he was having videochat sex with, they don't know him or know that he's married. I think I will write them emails when I do the exposure and tell them he's married and to never contact him again. Is there anything else I should say? Should I say email me if he contacts you? I don't want to get angry, harassing emails back because they may not care if he's married.
I don't really have any more OW to expose, because the one that was joking with him about oral sex, I don't know if she knows that he's married either. Maybe I'll just fb her, tell her he's married, and to not contact him again.
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Some of the women (from videochat) have actually asked him if he's married and he said "no." That's how I know that they are most likely unaware that he's married.


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I also don't want my parents and family to hold a grudge against my husband for life over this, especially since I think we have a good chance of working things out.
Please help! I'm terrified to do this but would feel better if the exposure was just to WH's parents and close friends. Do you think this would be ineffective?
Hoping, exposure is best done with the people who can be most influential in helping apply pressure on the infidel to end the affair and support your marriage. Your parents are clearly an important exposure target. Don't do exposure half-way. Your sitch is really no different than the other posters here.

Yes, they will be upset with your WH. Yes, they'll want to protect their 'little girl', so they may be very upset with your WH. But they will also very likely follow your lead during your recovery. Seeing you happily reconciling will mean a lot to them, and they will likely follow your lead.

I would suggest that you tell them of your own indiscretion, as well.


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Originally Posted by Hoping1183
Some of the women (from videochat) have actually asked him if he's married and he said "no." That's how I know that they are most likely unaware that he's married.
I think it would be an act of kindness to let these nasty little women know that their 'buddy' has a wife at home who is not happy about his activities.


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I made some changes. There may be no evidence of physical contact, but there is no evidence there was not either. That is for WH to prove. I took out the word relationships, don't use euphemisms. I also took out your apology and your appeal for them to not freak. Their response is up to them.

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It saddens me to inform you that my beloved husband has had online sexual affairs with other women in September and October of this year, which shattered my trust. There is evidence of sexual activity on video chat. I want to recover our marriage in spite of my intense pain. Please do what you can to influence him so he doesn't have another affair. I want to stay married but I can't if this continues to happen.

I regret to tell you that I'm not innocent either. 4 years ago, before we married, I had a week long emotional affair. There was no physical relationship but the emotional affair hurt my husband greatly. I regret this so much. I immediately stopped all contact with the man and have been faithful ever since.

I feel the support of our loved ones is very important in avoiding future affairs and saving our marriage.

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Some of your Exposure questions are adressed on the Exposure thread. Have you read it?

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Exposure 101

Exposure is simply your most powerful weapon against an affair. Affairs thrive on secrecy, so exposure can be ruinous. Exposure is no guarantee, but it is your best bet at killing the affair and making it possible to save your marriage. YES, we know your spouse will be furious, but the goal is to save your marriage, not to avoid your wayward spouse's anger at all cost. Your marriage can survive his/her temporary anger; it cannot survive an ongoing affair. Read up on why exposure is so effective: When Should an Affair Be Exposed?

Originally Posted by Dr. Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders
"Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery."

Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
"The reason for the wide exposure is not to hurt the unfaithful spouse, but rather to end the fantasy. Your husband's secret second life made his affair possible, and the more you can to to make it public, the easier it is for him to see the damage he's doing. Keeping it secret does damage, but few know about it. Making it public helps everyone, including the unfaithful spouse and lover, see the affair for what it really is."

Dr Harley tells a betrayed husband he is an "enabler" for not exposing his wife's affair: radio clip

Dr Harley tells BTinTrouble to "expose the heck out of his wife's affair" [exposure saved their marriage, btw] radio clip here

Exposure targets
Parents of all concerned, family, close friends, children of the BS, workplace [if a workplace affair], spouse of the affair partner, pastor. Facebook friends of affair partner.

Exposure Timing
Exposure should be done immediately. The longer you wait, the more entrenched the affair becomes. There is never any �perfect� time to expose, so don�t delay while looking for an imaginary perfect time.

Expose on the SAME DAY � or as close as possible � in order to achieve a tsunami effect. The affairees should be completely taken by surprise. Doing this creates a powerful hit on the affair and prevents the affairees from pre-empting you

Exposure Tactics

Spouse of affair partner- Give your full name, phone # and email address. Tell the other BS all about the affair, offer to share all evidence with him/her. Offer to follow up to ensure that contact is truly ended and ask the other BS to do the same. The other BS will be shocked when you tell him, so be sure and give your email address and phone # for follow up questions. ALWAYS GIVE THE OTHER BS YOUR WS'S PHONE # IN CASE HE/SHE WANTS TO CALL.

Parents, close family, friends � Tell them about the affair, giving them names, general timelines, etc. Explain you are attempting to save your marriage and would be willing to forgive your WS if he/she ended the affair. Ask them to use their influence to persuade the WS to end her affair. A way to save time is to call both sets of parents and send an email to the other close family and friends. Template letter posted below

Parents of affair partner. Give your full name and explain why you are calling. Ask them to use their influence with their son/daughter to persuade them to leave your spouse alone. It might also help if the PARENT of the WS calls them too.

Workplace exposure: Expose to Director of Human Resources, a key VP and both of the affairee�s supervisors using the template letter posted below.

Facebook exposure: Should be done to the affair partner�s facebook friends via private message. This is a very, very effective exposure because it is a collection of the AP�s closest friends and family. SPACE THE PM�S OUT 60 SECONDS APART SO FB DOES NOT SHUT YOU DOWN FOR FLOODING. Before you begin, copy and paste all the contacts into a WORD doc. Change your fb picture to a picture of you and your spouse and children. Template letters posted below.

The Fallout
Expect your spouse to be FURIOUS and to make all manner of threats, �I was going to work on the marriage, now I am not!!� �I cannot trust you� �You have to pack and leave!!� �You have ruined any chance you had!!� Do not let this bother you!! Just imagine that you have taken the crackpipe away from the crack head. Of course they are angry. But it will blow over. Don�t laugh, don�t fight, don't attempt to reason with them, and most of all, don�t be SCARED! Your marriage can survive some temporary anger, it cannot survive an ongoing affair! The madder your WS, the harder you hit the target!

The goal is to save your marriage, NOT to avoid your wayward spouse's anger at all costs.

Just say, "I am so sorry you are upset.. Can I get you a potato chip?" smile

Common Exposure Mistakes

Telling the WS that you got the idea to expose on the internet rather than taking ownership of your actions. Then the discussion becomes �who???� When the WS is told it was Marriage Builders, the WS is forever jaundiced against Marriage Builders, which harms future recovery chances. You need to OWN IT. Saying somebody told you to do it does not work for 5 year olds and it won�t work for you!

Keeping exposure a secret. Yes, you read right. But we have had exposure targets say �ok, I will keep this a secret!!� And they never tell the WS they know. That defeats the entire purpose. If that person won�t help you by speaking to your WS, at least TELL the WS that person knows.

Doing trickle exposures. Meaning exposing to just a few people but not to everyone that could have an influence. Trickle exposures are a disaster because they are not enough to kill the affair but just enough to infuriate the WS enough to come after the BS. So the exposure essentially only served to beat down the already beaten BS for no benefit.

Eliminating exposure targets because that person �has no influence over my WS� even though this is a person with long history over the WS. Such as a mother or father. Such targets cannot be dismissed on such a subjective basis because the BS CANNOT PREDICT WHO WILL OR WON�T HAVE AN INFLUENCE OVER THE WS. Sorry, but unless you are psychic and your name is Madame Cleo, you don�t know. Many WS are estranged from a parent, sibling, pastor but that is not a knock out factor.

Threatening to expose. Using exposure as a threat only serves to forewarn the affairees and cause them to go further underground. All you have achieved is to give the enemy your battle plan so they can come back and kick your rear tomorrow. It also gives them an opportunity to pre-empt you and tell others you are �crazy� �jealous�. Then then when you do expose no one will take you seriously. Threatening to expose is the equivalent of giving your battle plan to the enemy. Don't do that!

Deleting or throwing away evidence after the affair is killed. DO NOT DO THIS! You will need this in case the affair starts up again or if you get divorced. Yes, we know you don't want to be triggered. Fine. Then bag up the evidence and put it somewhere for safekeeping. Do not throw it away!


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Well done, indie.


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Thanks, those are very helpful changes to my letter. I did read the exposure thread and still have not resolved to do the full exposure, I am trying to get there. I do see the importance and I need the support of my family too so I'm really working hard in my brain for this.

I have a TON of anxiety over everything and just took a lorazepam, which I have taken a total of once in my life. I have to work this entire weekend too, UGH. I was hoping to do the exposure tonight but I don't think I can bring myself to do it. Thanks for being there for me though, I wouldn't have even considered doing exposure if it wasn't your you Indiegirl, and the others on this site.

I will also let those other women know that their internet sex partner is married.

And my parents do know about my EA because my husband told them and then they talked to me about it afterwards.


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Thanks Maritalbliss. Remember when you were doing this for me? smile


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Originally Posted by Hoping1183
I did read the exposure thread and still have not resolved to do the full exposure, I am trying to get there. I do see the importance and I need the support of my family too so I'm really working hard in my brain for this.


That won't cut the mustard I'm afraid. Exposure is scary right up until you do it. Your brain won't stop fearing it until it is done.

Stop trying to guess how everyone will react, because I can tell you right now you cant. Its pointless.

Feelings follow actions. You will feel better after you do it, not before.


What would you do if you were not afraid?

"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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