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Originally Posted by markos
Jail therapy is one of the quickest ways to resolve an anger problem.

At least, that's what my anger management therapist told me.
Um, I read that to mean that she was being slapped around by US.


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She didn't mean us. She is talking about her husband:

From her first post:
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But when he imagines me in bed with the other man he turns into the incredible hulk. He gets so angry and physical.

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"The first posting was done just after being slapped around and told to leave. It was not reactionary."


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Originally Posted by maritalbliss
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Jail therapy is one of the quickest ways to resolve an anger problem.

At least, that's what my anger management therapist told me.
Um, I read that to mean that she was being slapped around by US.
I don't think so mb. She changed her screen name that was something like "IHurtToo" to what it is now. I truly hope I'm wrong. There is NO excuse for a "man" hitting a woman, I don't care what the circumstances are.


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Jail therapy is one of the quickest ways to resolve an anger problem.

Markos, my esteemed colleague - on this issue we are precisely aligned.

As a one-time wearer of the matching bracelets presented by the law officers in my jurisdiction, the I would aver that the experience goes a loooooooong way to instructing one on "right" vs "wrong" methods of dealing with disagreements.

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I don't think so mb. She changed her screen name that was something like "IHurtToo" to what it is now. I truly hope I'm wrong. There is NO excuse for a "man" hitting a woman, I don't care what the circumstances are.
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Originally Posted by IHurtHim
Based on everyone's feedback it seems fair for me to "threaten" to call the police if he hits me. It does not get him to anger management class but if I called the police without warning I seem to be deceitful.


No one told you to "threaten." We told you to call the police and have him thrown in jail. Yes, it does get him to anger management. If he is in jail, a judge will force him into anger management. You would also make it a condition of his return that he go through anger management and demonstrate radical changes for at least a year.

Wife beaters do not magically get better without help, they get WORSE. So your idea that he "won't hit you again" is ludicrous. Nothing has changed. Call the police, have him arrested and get a restraining order against him. You need to be separated for at least a YEAR.


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Originally Posted by IHurtHim
Today he got very angry in front of the kids. I am not any good at calming him down. Everything I say makes him angrier and if I say nothing he gets also angrier. He brought the kids into today's argument, to which they began defending me, which made him more angry. When he got to the point of physically threatening me, I said "if he hits me call the police". To which he said, I knew it I cannot trust you. It stopped his physical threats but he continued the attack and continued tangling the kids into the argument. I was getting ready to leave the house (to make space) but he kept yelling at the kids about me. I told him I would take the kids with me. To which he said, "I knew it, I cannot trust you, you have to leave now." He meant forever. I got ready to leave and said I would see him later. He said he was leaving right now because he had to go to meet his friend.

I am home now with the kids. Living life as if nothing had happened. They are pestering each other and playing video games.

I do not know what to do. If I leave the house (packing my clothes) he says I cannot come back. Every time he tells me to leave and I pack he says that I am attacking the family by threatening to leave. He is so conflicted.

Based on everyone's feedback it seems fair for me to "threaten" to call the police if he hits me. It does not get him to anger management class but if I called the police without warning I seem to be deceitful.

He says if he learns to suppress the anger he will also learn to suppress his love and he does not want to live a loveless life. The only reason he gets angry is because he is afraid he will never be able to love me "the same way" again.

I suspect he will not hit me again. He will just tell me to leave forever and he says I have to respect that choice or it proves I cannot be trusted.

I am guessing that you would all agree that if he asks me to leave I should leave. Let me know what you think.

Dr. Harley's take on physical violence.

Domestic Violence Letter #1
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You should not leave your kids there with a wife beater. That is irresponsible. Call the police, have him removed and file a RO against him. Protect yourself and protect your children.


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Thank you, Brainhurts!

Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
"My perspective as a professional who has counseled hundreds of violent clients is that these couple should be separated until there is assurance of safety. In many cases that assurance can never be given.

If you have ever hit your spouse, you are a perpetrator of domestic violence and need to take extraordinary steps to protect your spouse from yourself. Most violent spouses are deeply remorseful after sending their husbands or wives to the hospital, and sometimes to their death. But remorse does not make up for the mistake. Violence is one of those mistakes in life that you cannot ever afford to make, and if you've done it once, you're likely to do it again.

Throughout my career as a marriage counselor, I have done whatever I can to save marriages, but when it comes to domestic violence I draw the line. Unless a spouse can guarantee the other's safety from their own anger, I don't believe they should live with each other.
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5022_qa.html


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Also here is some radio clips that Dr. Harley discusses with a man on his anger management and Melodylane put it in a thread

Melodylane's Anger Management 101 thread


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No. There is never an excuse to be abusive.


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
No one told you to "threaten." We told you to call the police and have him thrown in jail.


My goal is to have him stop. If he stopped based on my threat that it good. If he does not I call the police.

I cannot neglect the fact that affair is the cause of this. If I force him to leave then he will never trust me again to recover from the affair. This is all my fault.

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No, a lack of self-respect and a sense of angry entitlement is the cause. A lack of self control is the cause.

No man should hit his wife, nor any other woman.


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Originally Posted by IHurtHim
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Call the police, have him removed and file a RO against him. Protect yourself and protect your children.


Being bruised is a small price to pay for what I have done.

A RO could not stop him from killing me if I separate him from his children.

Living with a wife beater is more likely to result in getting killed. He can't kill you if he is in jail. And he can't kill you if he can't get in the house to kill you. You have a responsibility to get your husband help before he kills you. Living with a violent person is reckless and irresponsible.


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Originally Posted by IHurtHim
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My goal is to have him stop. If he stopped based on my threat that it good. If he does not I call the police.


Threatening a violent person will not cause them to change, it only makes them angry and puts you at greater risk. If there are to be any threats it has to come from a judge or an armed policeman who is in a position to support that threat. You are not in a position to support any threat and only put yourself at greater risk.

Your husband will not get better by making idle threats.


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Originally Posted by IHurtHim
My goal is to have him stop. If he stopped based on my threat that it good. If he does not I call the police.

You can't call the police if you are dead or maimed.


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