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It also talks about rape. Not exactly a marriage model, and this was ancient Rome, where men raped boys, as well, without punishment.
Whatever medicine you're on, CWMI, you should probably raise the daily dose! Somehow you try to portray this as my advocating the sexual mores of ancient Rome?
Are you saying that being a dutiful husband is a problem?
How typical of you to infer this to be a problem with the husband's action! No, not at all, my obviously conflicted friend. Ovid's lines were presented as my way of wryly pointing out that the "problem" evident in a sizable number of today's females not being able to appreciate what they've got, as contrasted with the mythical possibilities of "what might be", is NOT a recent development.
Perhaps you are familiar with this next joke. It presents the gist of the same subject without confusing you with distractions about rape, homo- or heterosexual in nature.
A new Perfect Husband Shopping Center opened where a woman could go to choose from among many men to find the perfect husband. It was laid out on five floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascended the floors. The only rules were that once you open the door to any floor, you must choose a man from that floor; if you go up a floor, you can't go back down to the previous floor; and you were only allowed into the store once in your life.
So, a couple of girlfriends go to the store to find a man to marry. The first-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs and love kids." The women read the sign and say, "Well, that's wonderful, but..." and wonder what's on the next floor.
The second-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking."
"Hmmmm," say the girls. "Wonder what's further up?"
The third-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, and will help with the housework."
"Wow!!!" say the women. "Very tempting.... but there's more further up!!!"
The fourth-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, will help with the housework, and are great in bed."
"Oh mercy me. But just think!!! What must be awaiting us further up?!" say the women. So up to the fifth floor they go.
The fifth-floor sign reads: "This floor is just to prove that women are impossible to please. Thank you for coming, please use the stairs to the left to descend to the street."
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Wow. I have no words. You have rendered me speechless, NG.
Not in a good way, but in an 'I am too much a lady to repond in the profane way that post deserves" way.
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So I will quote you: "The first two lines, conversely, lay out the problem with being a dutiful husband - once you've given her everything, what more can you offer?"
Explain why you take me to task (insult me as typical and conficted?) for asking if you think being a dutiful husband is a problem in marriage.
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I suck at stopping talking! 
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I suck at stopping talking!Oh? We hadn't noticed! ![[Linked Image from planetsmilies.net]](http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10569.gif)
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You are the one who drones on and on. Exhibit A: It also talks about rape. Not exactly a marriage model, and this was ancient Rome, where men raped boys, as well, without punishment.
Whatever medicine you're on, CWMI, you should probably raise the daily dose! Somehow you try to portray this as my advocating the sexual mores of ancient Rome?
Are you saying that being a dutiful husband is a problem?
How typical of you to infer this to be a problem with the husband's action! No, not at all, my obviously conflicted friend. Ovid's lines were presented as my way of wryly pointing out that the "problem" evident in a sizable number of today's females not being able to appreciate what they've got, as contrasted with the mythical possibilities of "what might be", is NOT a recent development.
Perhaps you are familiar with this next joke. It presents the gist of the same subject without confusing you with distractions about rape, homo- or heterosexual in nature.
A new Perfect Husband Shopping Center opened where a woman could go to choose from among many men to find the perfect husband. It was laid out on five floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascended the floors. The only rules were that once you open the door to any floor, you must choose a man from that floor; if you go up a floor, you can't go back down to the previous floor; and you were only allowed into the store once in your life.
So, a couple of girlfriends go to the store to find a man to marry. The first-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs and love kids." The women read the sign and say, "Well, that's wonderful, but..." and wonder what's on the next floor.
The second-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking."
"Hmmmm," say the girls. "Wonder what's further up?"
The third-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, and will help with the housework."
"Wow!!!" say the women. "Very tempting.... but there's more further up!!!"
The fourth-floor sign reads: "These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, will help with the housework, and are great in bed."
"Oh mercy me. But just think!!! What must be awaiting us further up?!" say the women. So up to the fifth floor they go.
The fifth-floor sign reads: "This floor is just to prove that women are impossible to please. Thank you for coming, please use the stairs to the left to descend to the street."
Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
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And never answer a direct question. Why is that, NG?
Why do you have such a weird problem with me?
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A reminder to all to keep posts civil. Please stop arguing or this thread will be locked.
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Somehow you try to portray this as my advocating the sexual mores of ancient Rome? Wow, I didn't see her saying that about you at all.
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CW,
"Impotent, tentative, too sensitive...those are disrepectful and insulting, Tom." This reference, guess it seemed short and intrusive, and maybe I deerved it! But, did not understand how you were directing this with no elaboration. I don't want to engage in any antagonism or fight with you - I realize you are as protective about marriage as I am. - just different ways of expressing it. Just tired tonight after a long day and my leg hurts, but I wanted to look in here.
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I suck at stopping talking! 
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