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[ Hi ML, Yes, I have found him on FB... but his account is locked down so that I can not see his friends list. What should I do?
I know he is very close to his mother. Maybe I should try to track her down and give her a call? She is also a player on the game and I know my wife has chatted with her. I not sure that she knows her son is breaking up a family though. Can you find his mother on facebook? Is your wife his facebook friend? Can you sign in as her and get his friends list? Somehow you need to figure out how to get to his facebook contact list.
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Somehow you need to figure out how to get to his facebook contact list. Doug, put the keylogger on her computer. She will no doubt have friended him on FB. You can get full access to her FB after you've keylogged her computer. I suspect you'll get his FB list that way. Get that keylogger: www.spectorpro.com Get the eblaster ML has already mentioned.
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Check this out on helping you with his facebook to help see his information Facebook a back door to see information
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Update: eBlaster installed on computer, FB pword in hand. OM is on wifes friends list, of course.
Unfortunatley, I can't seem to get info on POSOM's mother. It looks like she doesn't have FB account. I'm thinking I might try to log in to game on sons account and contact her that way.
I also don't see the mother listed as family on intelious.
Is there a quick and easy way to export someones FB friend list for future reference?
I have to be honest and wonder if this is even worth saving. This online thing has happened before, just never this seriously... never to the point of her wanting out. I am disgusted with the way she is online. She's always egging other guys on. Is she having some sort of mid-life crisis at 38? I spoke to the marriage councelor this morning. She feels there are a lot of childhood issues that are causing my wife to behave this way. Wife will be seeing another therapist in the same office to work on her problems individually at the MC's recommendation. At least she is willing to go. I guess I have to try to stick this out for the sake of my son.
Wife doesn't want to spend time as a family, gives very little time to our son. As an example, yesterday, son and I went to park for the day to play catch, fly kites, ride bikes, etc. It's our usual plan for Sundays. Asked wife if she wanted to come "nope". She spent most of the time we were gone with her addiction, the computer game. And it continued all night until about 11pm. It's all she wants to do. I would be very troubled if it ever comes to the point of my son living with her and away from me half the time, for his sake.
Thanks for listening.
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"Is there a quick and easy way to export someones FB friend list for future reference?"
Copy and paste the friends list into a word doc for safekeeping. If you would expose the affair, I believe you could kill it quickly. But you need to get working on this. You can't afford to wait around.
Your marriage counselor is absolutely giving you bad advice. Her childhood is NOT the issue. Her issue is poor ADULT behavior. Exploring her childhood is a distraction at a time when you and your wife should be focused in the marriage. Don't go down that rabbit hole. You will lose your marriage if you dont focus on yur marriage NOW.
The reason your wife has online affairs is because she has pisspoor boundaries around men, and you allow this. If you had made it a condition after her last online affair that she stay off the computer, you wouldn't be here today. In order for your marriage to recover, the conditions that led to the affair have to be removed.
But you need to get to work here before it is too late. Your marriage is perfectly salvageable if you will ACT. Expos� the affair in the manner outlined in my exposure thread.
P.s. your marriage counselor doesn't have the slightest idea what she is doing. You need to stick to Dr Harley, who specializes in saving marriages from infidelity.
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Read this from Dr. Harley how it isn't her childhood. An analysis of the betrayed spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. From here Requirements for Recovery From an Affair
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Dr Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders: As a clinical psychologist who has been in direct therapy with 50,000 individuals and supervised over 600 counselors, I have not found that resolving issues of the past does much to help people deal with issues of the present. In most cases I've witnessed, it makes matters worse because it drags the most unpleasant experiences of the past into the present. I know that my perspective is in conflict with many therapists who are trained to treat the past before they can treat the present, but I have yet to see any convincing evidence that this approach is more effective than letting the past stay in the past. My personal experience is that dredging up the past actually increases the risk of suicide and other dangerous symptoms of mental disorders. Another important reason that I am opposed to bringing up issues of the past is that it wastes time. When you could be forming an effective plan and putting the plan into motion to resolve an issue of the present, you spend months, and even years focused on the past while the problems of the present keep building up, eventually burying the client.
In your situation, I strongly recommend that you not waste your time talking about the past. And don't try analyzing your husband. I know that his affair was a terrible shock to your system, and you want to feel closure. You have been terribly disillusioned by what he did, but the best you can do under the circumstances is look to the future instead of the past. Don't discuss the past with your husband or anyone else for a while, and see if you don't agree with me that it helps improve your relationship and it also causes you to be more relaxed. Focusing on the past causes depression, while focusing on the future with an eye to making it successful causes optimism and gives you energy. http://forum.marriagebuil...mber=2413831#Post2413831"Some counselors think it's a good idea to "resolve issues of the past" by talking about them week after week, month after month, year after year. It keeps these counselors in business, but does nothing to resolve the issue. In fact, it usually makes their poor clients chronically depressed.
My experience as a Clinical Psychologist has proven to me that dredging up unpleasant experiences of the past merely brings the unhappiness of the past into the present. The problems of the present are difficult enough to solve without spending time and energy trying to resolve issues of the past, which are essentially unresolvable. You can make your future happy, but you can't do a thing about bad experiences of the past, except think and talk about them -- and that makes the bad experiences of the past, bad experiences of the present." Dr. Willard Harley An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them. One of the reasons I'm not so keen on dredging up the past as a part of therapy is that it brings up memories that carry resentment along with them. If I'm not careful, a single counseling session can open up such a can of worms that the presenting problem gets lost in a flood of new and painful memories. If the goal of therapy is to "resolve" every past issue, that seems to me to be a good way to keep people coming for therapy for the rest of their lives. That's because it's an insurmountable goal. We simply cannot resolve everything that's ever bothered us.
�Instead, I tend to focus my attention on the present and the future, because they are what we can all do something about. The past is over and done with. Why waste our effort on the past when the future is upon us. Granted, it's useful to learn lessons from the past, but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster.
�I personally believe that therapy should focus most attention, not on the past, but on ways to make the future sensational.
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Please read the link in Melody's signature, come back and tell us your exposure list and plan so that we can help you tweak it. It's been days now and there is still no exposure list & no plan to end this affair... I was very concerned that you were a conflict avoider but was hoping I was wrong. You are going to have to cut that out if you want to turn this around. Yes, exposing is scary & nerve-wracking (I just did it myself last summer!) but you are going to have to work through that fear and stick to the plan. We will help you. Seeing the MC and working on 'childhood issues' is a wayward's dream come true - it gives them a way out of taking personal responsibility for their adult choices and gives them time & space to continue the affair and other destructive behaviors. And this is the opposite of what needs to be happening here. Step #1 is ending the affair, Doug. No excuses! It doesn't matter if you think this is heading to D, you would still do what you could to end the affair and make that decision down the road. You are dealing with a full blown wayward and you can't decide the future without at least trying to pull her out of the fog.
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She spent most of the time we were gone with her addiction, the computer game. And it continued all night until about 11pm. It's all she wants to do. I would be very troubled if it ever comes to the point of my son living with her and away from me half the time, for his sake. Regarding the gaming addiction, I would make a timeline of when the computer use started, how it evolved and how often she plays. Quietly file this away. And I would begin quietly documenting her computer use on a calendar (number of hours per day) just in the event that this goes to Plan B/D, you would go for primary or full custody so that you would have your son most of the time. On that same calendar, I would also document all of the things you are doing with your son (biking, outings, taking him to school events, doctor's, etc)
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I spoke to the marriage councelor this morning. She feels there are a lot of childhood issues that are causing my wife to behave this way. Wife will be seeing another therapist in the same office to work on her problems individually at the MC's recommendation. At least she is willing to go. I guess I have to try to stick this out for the sake of my son. This whole childhood issues thing is worthless psycho-pap that counselors just looove to trot out as a catch-all phrase that will guarantee them plenty of counseling sessions. It is a distraction from the issue at hand: your WW's poor boundaries. Your WW is going to these sessions so she can say that she 'tried' to save the marriage, but it just didn't work. "See? I even did counseling!" You need to expose this affair to her family, your family and his Facebook friends. For the sake of your son.
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A person can spend decades talking over their childhood. Nothing will necessarily resolve or be solved.
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