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This just feels like an inside of me problem right now as we are doing all the other stuff. I don't think Dr. Harley talks a lot about these kinds of problems. He is a behavioral psychologist. His approach just about always centers around changing behavior, which sets it apart from just about everything else out there. The rest of the field seems obsessed with "figuring out why I do this" and "resolve my issues of the past," etc. Sometimes he'll suggest a medication or something that he knows corrects a specific problem, but never does he tell people that they need to just work at feeling different. In fact, he says that that approach generally leads to misery, particularly for women.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Haha lol  Aerie/NewCreation, and anyone else! BrainHurts is a great example of someone who has become an expert in many, many elements of Dr. Harley's approach by listening to the radio program and digging through the archives. I don't think there has been a single thread in the last six months where BrainHurts hasn't been there giving us a link to a radio show in the archives so we can here exactly what Dr. Harley says about exactly that specific situation. I'll bet anything that BrainHurts can list dozens of scenarios that Dr. Harley has covered on the radio show, along with his specific advice, that he hasn't covered in any book or article. Anyone can do this, and it's free. I just don't get that Dr. Harley, giving away free counseling every single week day. He must make it all up in volume, or something.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Thank you Markos. I definitely find the radio show priceless. When I read someone's question's I will go find one of the shows I remember that relates. I want to share it all the time. I even emailed the Harleys about a certain show if I'm having a hard time finding it and they respond straight away. I used to listen to music all the time but now I listen to MB radio(no I do not receive any kind of compensation from the Harleys). 
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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I even emailed the Harleys about a certain show if I'm having a hard time finding it and they respond straight away. Aha! Your secret is finally out. I never thought of doing that. I used to listen to music all the time but now I listen to MB radio(no I do not receive any kind of compensation from the Harleys).  I had some podcast I used to listen to faithfully. I haven't heard it in over two years.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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I even emailed the Harleys about a certain show if I'm having a hard time finding it and they respond straight away. Aha! Your secret is finally out.
I never thought of doing that. I knew that would give my secret away. Dang.  My gig is up. 
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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NC, I am struggling with what to write, but feel compelled to say something.
I read your NC post about what to expect an affairage. I read it early into Plan B, shortly after D Day. I gained HOPE from your post.
I did not read your Aerie thread. I have no wish to. You have admitted to deception now. I appreciate your admission. However, it does not absolve you of lying for your own benefit.
Exactly as my WH did. And countless others reading here.
Heres where I have trouble with your posting. Not that you are trying to recover an affairage. But that you admitted an affairage, posted about warning all OW off affairages due to the consequences, and then proceeded to lie to us so you could gain support for your affairage and YOURSELF as YOU want to save this marriage.
It again becomes all about you. Not about the betrayed or now the anonymous betrayed who have read your thread and believed your words and remorse. Just YOU.
Just as most WS's think. And show. By WORDS, and ACTIONS. As you have.
I hope others are further along than I, and can offer support. I know in other areas, I offer support for people to rehabilitate and atone. I just can't do it with you, where I am so raw, and where you have so blatently misled me.
NC, th reason I post this is because your original thread offered me some comfort. I am no longer sure it does. However, you also seek help / critique from MB, not other forums where you know they coddle you.
You have done us wrong. Own it. I hope some others continue to post, but know that you need to earn it.
Because of who I hope you can be (and who I hope you have shown glimpses of), please contact the Harleys online.
Me (BW): 35 Married 1999 with no kids, DDay July 2011, OC born September 2012, Divorce final November 2012.
WXH (Gollum) is corrupted by his A, and now forever bound to it. Plan B has set me free.
"Mourn the man he was. Know the man he is."
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Request... and I know it is BOLD of me to even ask, but is there anyone here with everything on the table who is willing to talk to me from time to time? NC, I remember your very first post under your original name, and I remember being impressed by the depth of your remorse. But here's the thing: this is an anonymous board full of folks whose spouses cheated on them. It is difficult for many to read posts from someone who could very well be the person who ruined their life by having an affair with their spouse. It is difficult for me to help you because of this issue. Although my marriage recovered from my husband's affair, I can't get past the fact that I am equating YOU with the OW in my sitch. And I certainly would not be interested in helping her in any way, especially with marital issues. Hell, I wouldn't even help her across the street if she had two broken legs. (Well...maybe I'd get her about halfway across... ![[Linked Image from pic4ever.com]](http://www.pic4ever.com/images/devil.gif) ) My suggestion to you would be to counsel with the Harleys and continue reading here. There is a wealth of knowledge to be gained, as I'm sure you know. And don't make up any more fake screen names.
D-Day 2-10-2009 Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever! Thank you Marriage Builders!
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