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thanks for your encouragement  Redtulip, littlebit is NOT encouraging you; she is telling you what you WANT to hear. And unfortunately it is not what you NEED to hear.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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One thing I know for sure, Steve Harley's whole idea of the 10 categories of emotional needs, lovebusters, love bank withdrawals and deposits, POJA and especially extrordinary precuations, really CANNOT be beat. Think about it, that is EVERYTHING!!! Figuring out emotional needs isn't as easy as it sounds. So, BOTH of you need to take that questionaire!!! Then, the harder part comes, discussing them and figuring out how to put everything in place to meet them. It seems like you are saying that you feel your H's desire is there, so think about starting with extrordinary precautions and emotional needs questionaire. MC's rarely work. This is not just a "feelings" thing. You have to figure it out quickly and take action. That is why I hope that you stick around and follow these things. This is the ACTION plan that you need!!!!
BS Me 47,WH 49 DS's x3 17, 10, 7 Multiple D-Days No disclosure by WH. No EP's, no transparency, no guilt or remorse either. Plan C DOES NOT WORK!
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my marriage is NOT a wreck because of MY bad decisions, last i checked, it was my H who made the bad decisions. Sad but true. And the thing that may be hard for you to accept is that your husband is not the only one who needs to make an effort in your marriage - YOU have some hard work ahead of you to protect your marriage from further attack. I know it doesn't sound fair, but that's the way it is. you want to cut me down and make me feel worse than i already feel unless i do everything you say step by step? shoot me while i'm down? MelodyLane didn't say a word to you that wasn't dead-on straight. Read her posts again! She was not cutting you down or trying to make you feel worse than you do - she is giving you straight, no-nonsense advice that you would do well to heed. You have to admit that your track record at saving marriages doesn't exist. You also need to remember that you are very, very new to all of this. There is much for you to learn.
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"The reason for the wide exposure is not to hurt the unfaithful spouse, but rather to end the fantasy. Your husband's secret second life made his affair possible, and the more you can to to make it public, the easier it is for him to see the damage he's doing. Keeping it secret does damage, but few know about it. Making it public helps everyone, including the unfaithful spouse and lover, see the affair for what it really is." "Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery." "Our policy for years has been to tell all family members on both sides of the family about an affair. Time after time, people who have followed our advice have reported that it helped clear the air, and it also helped restore trust. Right now, anything you can do to help your husband restore his trust in you would be extremely important. Tell your parents right away."
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Let me put this another way, RedTulip. There are certain steps towards recovery after an affair. The steps have to be done in order. First step, second step, etc, etc. You can't do the third step until the other steps are done. This is not a cafeteria where you cherry pick the steps you like. It is a formula that does not work unless all the ingredients are used.
There is a very strict path to recovery and those who do not follow that path do not make it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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I think I'm going to sue Betty Crocker. It's all their fault.
I started making a cake today. I read half of the instructions, but it soon became apparent to me that they had written them for general use and not for my very special, unique circumstances. I quickly revised a few things to meet the needs of my situation.
I got some things out to do it. The recipe said that I needed 3 eggs. I only had one, and going to the store was very inconvenient. I decided just to use the one and a package of Egg Beaters.
I got out a bowl. It wasn't a mixing bowl like the instructions said. It was just a plain old soup bowl, but that should have been good enough. I mean, really, what do they want?
Since the cake takes so long to make and bake, and I didn't want to wait that long, I just kept dipping my spoon into the mix and eating it as I went along. I set the oven to 500 degrees and turned it on to preheat. I added 4 cups of olive oil and my eggs. The package said vegetable oil, but olive oil is so much better for you that I decided to substitute it.
I got out my electric mixer like the one pictured on the package and turned it on the highest level. (I mean, HELLO, I want this sooner than later!) Well, let me tell you, the stuff went flying EVERYWHERE! WTF were they thinking?! Since the mixer obviously wasn't working, I just got out a spoon and stirred my mixture a few times.
I poured the mixture into the exact pan size that they said, and it didn't even cover the BOTTOM OF THE PAN, so I transferred the batter to a smaller pan that was 3 inches deep. I like thicker cakes, anyway.
I put the pan in the oven, and go to watch some TV. Who wants to watch something bake? I have better things to do !
Well, 45 minutes later I go to check on my cake (cause it was NOT smelling good) and I notice black smoke everywhere! The batter had oozed all over the side of my pan and burning on the oven's heating element! The rest of the cake was completely charred, there's no way I can eat that. I doesn't even look like a cake.
The box DID say to only bake it for 25 minutes, but really, should that be MY responsibility? Shouldn't the cake just KNOW when it's done and stop baking? Come on, it's the 21st century.
So, here I am standing in the middle of a mess with a worthless burnt cake. My oven is almost ruined, I've got cake mixture on every surface in my kitchen, and I didn't get to have my cake, let alone eat it too.
I don't advise anyone here to buy Betty Crocker products. They are nothing but a fraudulent rip-off. Your kitchen could be ruined.
And I'm suing them. It's all their fault.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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One thing I know for sure, Steve Harley's whole idea of the 10 categories of emotional needs, lovebusters, love bank withdrawals and deposits, POJA and especially extrordinary precuations, really CANNOT be beat. Think about it, that is EVERYTHING!!! Figuring out emotional needs isn't as easy as it sounds. So, BOTH of you need to take that questionaire!!! Then, the harder part comes, discussing them and figuring out how to put everything in place to meet them. It seems like you are saying that you feel your H's desire is there, so think about starting with extrordinary precautions and emotional needs questionaire. MC's rarely work. This is not just a "feelings" thing. You have to figure it out quickly and take action. That is why I hope that you stick around and follow these things. This is the ACTION plan that you need!!!! I hope with all the big guns here you guys can get through to her. Oh and Littlebit, it's Dr. Bill Harley that is the founder of Marriage Builders. Steve Harley is his son who is one of the Marriage Builders coaches along with his daughter Dr. Jennifer Harley Chalmers, whom also co-wrote SAA with her dad. Coaching Center
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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BH, Oops, sorry about that. At least it was a Harley!!! As I was typing it I wondered if I got the name right.
I thought of something that I wanted to add earlier, but couldn't get back on until now.
My thought on MCing. If you can find a really good one, you might have a shot. The problem is you go in and talk about feelings, how do you feel about that, more feelings. You say things that upset the other spouse, then you gotta talk about those feelings. That will go on for years!!!! Your marriage needs change now!! Going through the EN Questionaire is a great way to talk about feelings AND negotiate what you need AND make committment to change. It is the action plan for solving the bad feelings and the problems - well, that is assuming that both parties involved want to work hard and recover their marriage.
I wish I could get you go see HOW IMPORTANT exposure is. It is a key element. So, will you consider it if you find out one more untruth instead of bailing? SAVE your marriage. Fight for it!! What snoops do you have in place?
Anyway, have a great night. Look forward to seeing you on this week.
BS Me 47,WH 49 DS's x3 17, 10, 7 Multiple D-Days No disclosure by WH. No EP's, no transparency, no guilt or remorse either. Plan C DOES NOT WORK!
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My thought on MCing. If you can find a really good one, you might have a shot. The problem is you go in and talk about feelings, how do you feel about that, more feelings. You say things that upset the other spouse, then you gotta talk about those feelings. That will go on for years!!!! You've just explained why she SHOULDN'T pursue MC. No, she won't have a shot - most counselors have a horrific success rate at saving marriages. Going to a MC is counter-productive to your marriage - DON'T DO IT! If you need more help than you are finding on the forums, schedule time with Steve Harley. You can do that on this site. He's got the counselling that you need.
D-Day 2-10-2009 Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever! Thank you Marriage Builders!
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Thanks maritalbliss for pointing out that I didn't put that punch in there!!! I was going to ask if the "might" part of might have a shot was worth taking that risk. Taking the immediate action she can find here with the EN's Q, POJA, etc.... will help her trememdously!!
Sadly, I know from personal experience that MC does not really work. Too much talk and not much action!!!
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An excellent radio clip on a BW not exposing because she wants to protect her WH. Radio Clip on Exposure on 7:00 min mark Exposure helps protect the affair from rekindling......
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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after carefully reading everyone's responses to me an spending some time reading through the stuff on the site and listening to clips i have come to the decision the program here doesn't fit my situation... having said that i want to thank everyone who took the time to read my posts and respond. Thank you for your good wishes and i hope everyone here thrives  thanks!
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after carefully reading everyone's responses to me an spending some time reading through the stuff on the site and listening to clips i have come to the decision the program here doesn't fit my situation... having said that i want to thank everyone who took the time to read my posts and respond. Thank you for your good wishes and i hope everyone here thrives  thanks! oh, it fits just fine 
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after carefully reading everyone's responses to me an spending some time reading through the stuff on the site and listening to clips i have come to the decision the program here doesn't fit my situation... having said that i want to thank everyone who took the time to read my posts and respond. Thank you for your good wishes and i hope everyone here thrives  thanks! Best wishes, tulip. Please understand that you are welcome back here at any time - and no one will say "I told you so."
D-Day 2-10-2009 Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever! Thank you Marriage Builders!
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