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Originally Posted by Enlightened_Ex
We have feelings, but are they constructive or destructive? Just as the person with anger has to learn to manage it, what about the person who "feels" other things.

Marriage Builders does not teach trying to not feel your emotional needs. Instead, it teaches talking to your spouse about them.

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However, I am serious about folks calling many things "feelings" that are nothing more than DJ's that are white-washed with feeling words.

It's usually fairly easy for an outside observer to spot the difference:

Need: I'd like it if you'd go see that man and lean on him a bit and tell him it better not happen again.
DJ: You should say something to him!
Need: I'd like to start having sex more frequently.
DJ: How come everything always has to be just right before we can have sex, and it never seems to be just right?

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She essentially says she doesn't feel like he is protecting her. Yet the facts are he has taken steps to protect her.

According to Dr. Harley, emotional needs are not really "rational," per se, so facts have nothing to do with it. What you are saying is like telling someone that they should feel "cared for," even when their spouse cares for them the wrong way. i.e., he goes to work and takes the kids to baseball games to care for her, so she should feel cared for even though she'd rather he do something different (take her out and talk to her). Or, she keeps the house clean and makes his dinner, so the facts say she's caring for him, so he should feel cared for even though she hasn't had sex with him in three years.

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Now if she wants different steps, she can negotiate. But it's clear that she is judging that he is not protecting her, when the opposite is true.

It is perfectly fine for her opinion on this to differ from his, and it's not disrespectful in the slightest. She should be honest about her feelings.

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Either that, or some misplaced feelings.

This could not possibly be more opposite to what Dr. Harley says.

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I do like the analogy above, just as folks have to learn to manage their anger, why not the same expectation for other feelings?

The thing is that your feelings should not drive you to do something abusive. For example, her feelings are not an excuse for her to go tell him that he should feel outraged at what the man did. That would be disrespectful and abusive for her to do that.


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Originally Posted by HopefulNC
Our mechanic and somewhat of a friend asked me for no strings attached sex last night. It's really bothering me. DH's response is also bothersome.

Mechanic and I have a professional relationship, Mechanic and DH have more of a friendship. Mechanic works in our small town and we're friendly with he and his GF who just had a baby.

DH says I should not be so upset over the situation, but I wonder what I'm missing that someone would feel okay to ask me this? And, I would expect DH to be pissed and tell the guy off.

We are changing mechanics and won't be having any interaction with him after DH goes and pays him in full tonight.

I don't feel like DH is protecting me. How would the men here handle this?
Chiming in a little late, and I haven't read the whole thread, but I have to ask: did you tell the mechanic/aka hounddog's newly maternal girlfriend that the father of her child is trolling foreign waters?


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moderator's note: this post is being removed because it is not in line with MB concepts and is disruptive. Please familiarize yourself with Dr Harley's articles on complaints

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A reminder to posters to stick to Marriage Builders concepts or refrain from posting. Telling posters they are engaging in abusive behavior for voicing complaints is disruptive and prevents the OP from getting help. Let's stick to the concepts, please.

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Wow guys... This is month end for me at work and I hadn't had a chance to come back and check in until Saturday night, then the site wouldn't let me post because of time out errors.

Getting hit on by strangers isn't a big deal to me. It happens, I say no, tell DH, and that's it. I expected DH to be upset because this was a friend, someone we both trusted, and not just a random person.

DH drives about 4,000 miles a month, I drive 6,000 - 7,000 right now (my commute is 1340 per week). We see the mechanic every 2 or 3 weeks. And, we have a restoration project and the truck. The mechanic owns his own shop, his dad owns NAPA in town. It will hurt to lose our business, and it will be noticeable that we�re no longer using him.

I wanted DH to call him and tell him that it was unacceptable behavior the night it happened. Or at the least when he took him the check Thursday. I didn�t expect a physical confrontation, but I wanted him to tell him off. We talked about it and I�m fine with it now. I know in general he�s not confrontational. When I wasn�t able to take care of myself last year, he stepped up and did what needed to be done. So, if I�m not able to take care of myself, he will. If I�m able, he�s not going to. I don�t know where jealousy falls in emotional needs. wink Most of the time I would get angry at him trying to take care of it for me. The other 2% of the time, I expect him to jump in and take care of me. I think I had some unrealistic expectations for his reaction.

Also, we probably do need to change my EPs about being in cars with OS people. That would have prevented this situation.

I did ask here if I was being unreasonable because it�s month end, I�m still working crazy hours, and I�m commuting a long commute. I can be really unreasonable at month end. I was having trouble communicating what I was upset over and needed some input to figure that out without hurting feelings or making DH feel like I was saying he was being a pushover.

I�m leaving my current job November 15th for a job 5 blocks from our house in a small agency selling insurance. John is leaving his job mid December for a job selling life insurance for a large independent agency. By January 1st we will be home, full time, both of us working 30 � 40 hours a week. We�re not taking a huge hit on income by the time you take out for the miles we drive and the hours we spend on the road and the additional hours I spend working. And, the fact I really hate people by the end of the week and I hate doing anything by Friday night.


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Sugar, she wants him to do something that is not on his nature. In her first post she expects him to be angry and go tell the guy off. Essentially this is an aggressive verbal confrontation. She said her husband has a passive nature. So he's not the type that is comfortable telling someone off.

I heard a 2010 (October?) MB radio about this the other day, only it was rude in-laws, not someone hitting on the wife. The wife wanted the husband to tell the in-laws off. Dr. Harley said they needed to negotiate: they should not have any contact with the offending party at all as long as she is not enthusiastic, but he did not have to go tell them off if he was not enthusiastic about it.

I would say we're dealing with an emotional need here: she feels frustrated at not having this, which is part of Dr. H's definition. And most women on this thread have commented they would similarly feel frustrated!

But like any emotional need, there are going to be a variety of ways to meet it. If he is not enthusiastic about her initial suggestion, they should negotiate an alternative he is enthusiastic about. Keep the problem on the table, keep discussing each other's point of view respectfully, keep brainstorming alternatives. And (importantly) keep the rest of life on the table, too, including the most important emotional needs. Don't let it all stop for this one issue.

Prisca commented to me last night she didn't feel that she would need me in such a situation to go tell the guy off. But in the case of her in-laws (my parents, who were complete jerks to her (and me) for years), it sure appeared to me two years ago that she needed more! And she did begin to feel better when I told them off (it took awhile for me to become enthusiastic, but we kept the problem on the table). But she has told me in retrospect that if I had made clear to her that I was dead set committed to never seeing them again, ever so long as she was not enthusiastic, that probably would've solved the problem for her. So I mention this to show that there are alternatives that may not have been thought of, that can be uncovered during brainstorming.

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Was it this clip markos?
Radio clip on in-laws

Hey, BrainHurts, I found it!!!

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/radio_program/play_segment.cfm?sid=2329


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Oh, and it doesn't say in-laws in the question.

Dr. Harley uses his own family as an example, so in his answer it talks about in-laws. But her question is just "What is the solution when a husband ignores disrespect expressed by others towards his wife?" In-laws is just one case of that, although definitely a hairier one than most.

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