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what an nc letter exactly ? That is what I will be talking to her about today.. I will tell her to leave her job, if she hesitates about or tries to justify my decision then we will probably not work out.

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Originally Posted by rob1984
she saw him as a friend and it just happened. Still not an excuse..

I'm glad that you came back Rob.

My own FWH "accidently" had an affair with one of the mothers. At least that is how he saw it at the time. Actually it was just down to the fact that he had poor boundaries and he let someone else meet needs that I should have been meeting.
Things escalated from there.

One of the steps to affair proof your marriage is to set up boundaries that will prevent others from meeting your emotional needs. You must also start to live a completely integrated life where a secret second life is impossible.





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what an nc letter exactly ? That is what I will be talking to her about today.. I will tell her to leave her job, if she hesitates about or tries to justify my decision then we will probably not work out.
Here.
Originally Posted by Dr Harley
My advice is to write a final letter in a way that the victimized spouse would agree to send it. It should begin with a statement of how selfish it was to cause those they loved so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it's the right thing to do. A statement should be made about how much the unfaithful spouse cares about his spouse and family, and for their protection, has decided to completely end the relationship with the lover. He or she has promised never to see or communicate with the lover again in life, and asks the lover to respect that promise. Nothing should be said about how much the lover will be missed. After the letter is written, the victimized spouse should read and approve it before it is sent
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[from SAA, pg 58]

OW, I want you to know that out of respect and love for my wife and children, I have come to realize that I must never see or talk to you again. My relationship with you was a cruel indulgence that BS did not deserve. While I cannot completely repay BS for the pain I caused her, I will do my best to become the husband she has been missing. I care a great deal for my family and I would not want to do anything to risk their happiness. I will not make any further contact with you and I do not want you to make any contact with me. Please respect my desire to end our relationship.

Sincerely, XXXXX




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Alot of things will change around here, she is on the tightest rope, where one look at a guy can end it. I still believe she is remorseful .. I do. Only her actions to make it work will determine our future. I rather be upset for sometime over a divorce then paranoid my whole life. She home i'll be back on later.

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If you don't want to worry about her all te time then just divorce her

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Originally Posted by rob1984
Alot of things will change around here, she is on the tightest rope, where one look at a guy can end it. I still believe she is remorseful .. I do. Only her actions to make it work will determine our future. I rather be upset for sometime over a divorce then paranoid my whole life. She home i'll be back on later.

Here is a list of EP's for the BOTH of you to follow...for life.


Originally Posted by HerPapaBear
A) I will protect my spouse and their feelings above all else.
B) I will not participate in any one-on-one meetings with anyone of the opposite sex.
C) I will not discuss my personal marriage issues with anyone of the opposite sex.
D) I will not attend clubs, strip joints, or any such establishment
E) I agree to use POJA as a basis for all decisions.
F) I will be open and honest with my spouse at all times about the past and present.
G) I will provide my spouse a daily schedule of all appointments and contact information.
H) If I need to make an adjustment to my schedule, I will notify my spouse of the change immediately.
I) I will make my spouse�s phone calls my highest priority by answering them or returning them immediately.
J) I will avoid all chat rooms, porn, member sites, etc.
K) I will trade phones with my spouse at any time they request, NO questions asked.
L) I will leave my phone accessible to my spouse at night/or anytime I�m home.
M) I will commit to at least 15 hours of undivided attention with my spouse to meet each other�s ENs every week (time working together does not count toward those 15 hours).
N) If AP finds a way to make contact, I will immediately end the contact and notify my spouse about it immediately after.
O) I will install a keylogger, GPS, or any other tracking system my spouse may request.
P) Anytime I have the thought, �I don�t want my spouse to know about��.�, I will call my spouse immediately and tell them my thoughts.
Q) Anything else my spouse wants as a boundary.

Use this as a starting point for working further on your EPs. Add and change items that suit your situation.


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Im 100% positive my wife was on her pad, she has terrible cramps and i obviously see the evidence in the bathroom garbage.. She will not have sex with me on her period, yet alone someone she would want to impress..
I hate to keep this distasteful topic going, but: You need to understand that people in affairs do things they would NEVER do with their spouse - oral sex, anal sex, sex while menstruating, etc. You need to understand this.
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which is what i avoided and a co-worker easily offered and took advantage of her by getting her liquored up and making the move, before she stopped it and called me to come get her.
Uh-huh. I doubt your wife is the naive, poor li'l girl that you would like to believe exists. I think she is a little more cunning than you know. Adult women know their limits with alcohol. Adult women know when they're in a situation they need to leave. Your wife, on the other hand, "let" someone take advantage of her? I don't think so, friend. cool


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she said she would do a polygraph test if we had to
Schedule it tomorrow.
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I will be telling her today that she will be leaving her job. If she does not want to that will explain to me more and I will then ask her what she values more, what I feel or her current job her affair partner.. and i will go from there.
What did she say when you told her to leave her job? Please note the change I made in your post.


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she said she would do a polygraph test if we had to
Schedule it tomorrow.
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I will be telling her today that she will be leaving her job. If she does not want to that will explain to me more and I will then ask her what she values more, what I feel or her current job her affair partner.. and i will go from there.
What did she say when you told her to leave her job? Please note the change I made in your post.
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she argued if she left her job, and we break up she is left with nothing, not until we get passed all this and knows her marriage is safe she will then leave, its the advice her mother gave us, I'm still having an issue with this. I gave her a decision, its either me or the job.. she spoke to her mom, and somehow it got turned on me, What happened was that she lacked intimacy and it led to what happened, but she said she should of not done it and its remorseful, but said im immature for making her quit cause we do not work it out she is out of a job, I seem to be blamed for what has happened and I do not think i could handle it. I think a divorce will be hard, but probably easier then what I feeling now,

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You're correct to demand her to leave that job.

Read this.
Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
I will leave you with another important point. I've already expressed my conviction that after an affair is over, there should be no contact between a spouse and his or her lover. But there is a related issue that is often ignored. When you marry, neither you nor your spouse should have any contact with any of your previous lovers. Anyone that you've ever loved is a temptation for you, and has the potential of re-igniting your feelings of love.

What to do With an Unfaithful Wife


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Originally Posted by rob1984
she argued if she left her job, and we break up she is left with nothing, not until we get passed all this and knows her marriage is safe she will then leave, its the advice her mother gave us, I'm still having an issue with this. I gave her a decision, its either me or the job.. she spoke to her mom, and somehow it got turned on me, What happened was that she lacked intimacy and it led to what happened, but she said she should of not done it and its remorseful, but said im immature for making her quit cause we do not work it out she is out of a job, I seem to be blamed for what has happened and I do not think i could handle it. I think a divorce will be hard, but probably easier then what I feeling now,

If she refuses to meet your demands then you have every right to file for divorce.
Her mom is a thorn in your marriage and probably has been for a Long time.

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update: she spoke to the guy.. now he seems more awkward and does not talk to her, she called and said she will look for a new job. is this because he avoids her now or is she doing it for me, she said she realized the type of person her is and cannot work there. what does that mean.

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She should have NO contact with this man.
Sir you really need to read Surviving an Affair by Dr Bill Harley.
You can buy it on amazon very cheap.
You have to follow the plan in that book or you will not recover from this

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Originally Posted by rob1984
update: she spoke to the guy.. now he seems more awkward and does not talk to her, she called and said she will look for a new job. is this because he avoids her now or is she doing it for me, she said she realized the type of person her is and cannot work there. what does that mean.

It MEANS...she's in full MANIPULATION MODE whereby she's attempting to convince you OM is done with her (which may or may not be true), that she's done with him (which may or may not be true) and that he's not a threat at work anymore (which may or may not be true) so she'll agree "look" for another job (which she may or may not seriously undertaking eventually) if you'll just back off trying to force her to quit.

You just can't "negotiate" with a terrorist. You have no reason to trust they will follow through with ANY promises. Besides boundaries aren't negotiable and they aren't "controlling". Her quitting that job and getting away from OM is one of the many actions she can take right now to keep you interested in continuing a relationship with her. She doesn't HAVE TO DO IT. She's a big girl obviously capable of making her own choices. The "cage door is open" you aren't her keep. These are just YOUR relationship rules/boundaries...not hers.

If she want's "reasonableness" perhaps the most she could negotiate would be you agreeing to allowing her to put in a two week notice so her resume doesn't suffer but that's the most I'd ever recommend giving in.

She could also use her vacation time and/or the Family Medical Leave Act to take a leave of absence that won't effect her resume.

Waywards are entitled creatures and feel the world owes them everything. She will try to spin this into being your fault and ridiculous. Just remember this....YOU MATTER TOO. Your feelings are no less important than hers.

Mr. W




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Also you need to expose on OM's side and expose both of them at their job.

Exposure 101


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the problem, i have is we need the money, so she cannot just quit without having a job.. that's my problem, we will be in hard debt if she leaves. I came to a conclusion where im just not going to care what she does, and see if she gives a crap about how I feel.. If i see nothing then its done. I gave her a choice.. she said she will look for another job, cause she wants us to work it out, but leaving now will put us in financial difficulty.

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but leaving now will put us in financial difficulty.
So will divorce.

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Originally Posted by rob1984
the problem, i have is we need the money, so she cannot just quit without having a job.. that's my problem, we will be in hard debt if she leaves. I came to a conclusion where im just not going to care what she does, and see if she gives a crap about how I feel.. If i see nothing then its done. I gave her a choice.. she said she will look for another job, cause she wants us to work it out, but leaving now will put us in financial difficulty.

Not saying it's OK at all...

But if you do this...TRUST ACTIONS...not words.

Her saying she'll look for another job needs to be followed by actually getting her resume together, filling out applications, searching the internet and all the ACTIONS one would undertake when actually seeking employment elsewhere. Any resistance or hesitation is a great indication that she's just stringing you along and manipulating you into staying at the job (and in contact with her addiction to OM).

You won't truly start recovering until she's out of there. Even if OM isn't talking to her...they still have proximity to one another. Their eyes still meet and they still talk to co-workers. She'll remain foggy just hanging out in the scene of the crime. She needs distance before she'll START recovering with you. Just so you know...if you "test her"...she'll fail. By allowing her to stay you need to be OK with that UNTIL you finally either force her to quit or she finds another job.






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Rob. Think about it. If her story was true and it was a terrible mistake, then she would be so ashamed and embarrassed to ever lay eyes on that man again...let alone work with him everyday. Your WW would jump at the chance to leave that job and the shame she has to face.

She is now grasping at straws and trying to manipulate YOU into being the bad guy.

Schedule the poly. This gives you the chance to get the truth and also gives her the chance to prove to you that she is not lying. I think she is lying. Sorry.


Just for the record...I do not know of one single loving husband who would allow his wife to continue to work with a predatory man who tried to force himself on his wife. That is ridiculous to paint you as the bad guy for demanding that she leave. Typical fog babble.


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