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Meet her ENs set up EPs and the rest will fall in line. Simple to type hard to do but if you want recovery it will be baby steps

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Well its Christmas eve and things have been relativity quiet. We been following all the advice that everyone here has given us.

However, over the past month she has been growing cold to me and has been going out more. Am I wrong to get suspicious? Because before the affair I had complete faith in her and never really question that she would never cheat. I feel like I have done everything I can to forgive and forget. I have not bought up anything about the affair since I forgave her.

She still seems to be there for me as a wife but I can't shake the feeling that she could be cheating on me again. What can I do?

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...she has been growing cold to me and has been going out more. Am I wrong to get suspicious?

Well, I'm glad you came here so I could allay your suspicions.

It is almost a certainty that your wife is "going out" with the express intent of trolling for another affair partner, or hooking up with one she has already found.

Let's review, shall we? You married the "perfect woman" and she cheated on you. You found out and spent countless days telling us how you blamed yourself, as much as we told you it was all on her. You and she papered over the appalling betrayal she committed without exposure, JC, or establishing EPs, and you found it expedient to "trust" her again. SURPRISE!!!!! She's off to have, or continue, an affair for the second time. Does that about sum it up?

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Like I said already did that or maybe you are just looking to pick a fight. At least that is what I am getting from your post. If I had wanted someone post troll remarks I would have gone to a different site.

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Originally Posted by NeverGuessed
...she has been growing cold to me and has been going out more. Am I wrong to get suspicious?

Well, I'm glad you came here so I could allay your suspicions.

It is almost a certainty that your wife is "going out" with the express intent of trolling for another affair partner, or hooking up with one she has already found.

Let's review, shall we? You married the "perfect woman" and she cheated on you. You found out and spent countless days telling us how you blamed yourself, as much as we told you it was all on her. You and she papered over the appalling betrayal she committed without exposure, JC, or establishing EPs, and you found it expedient to "trust" her again. SURPRISE!!!!! She's off to have, or continue, an affair for the second time. Does that about sum it up?

Merry Christmas!

You seem to take pleasure in making people in pain feel worse. It is vile. I hope when something bad happens to you (and it will), you experience the contempt that you so lavishly disperse to others.

Merry Christmas!

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I disagree, NG is sayi g the truth in a direct manner. Correct me if I'm wrong but pokerface asked you if you did JC, EP, read HNHN and SAA and you didn't reply.
So I will take that as a no. You set yourself up for false recovery. You need to read the material and the site and apply them now! She acting the same because she suffered 0 consequences for her poor choice of cheating so why would she change?! Cause she loves you?! Doubt it, I'm pretty sure out WWs are in the same script! Dutiful bus and working didn't show wife enough attention. The wife asked for more attention and affection using poor communication and bam affair. Read the books learn the concepts and apply them. I am sorry that we are both here on the site but you have a chance to fix it. Amazon.com now and buy the books surviving affair, his needs her needs, love busters! Oh and email the good doctor your questions as well! Good luck I've and many others have given you the weapons needed to slay this monster! Hop to it!

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My question is why are allowing her to go out? Obviously you can't force her to stay at home, but if she really is trying to recover you two should be spending your free time together, and she should be willing to put any social life you aren't directly involved in on hold indefinitely. To me that is part of Just Compensation to the Betrayed spouse. It will be some time before you develop a manageable trust for your spouse again, and she needs to be sensitive to your feelings and do any and everything to show you she is serious about saving your marriage. It doesn't sound like that is the case right now. Sounds like you don't, and you shouldn't be comfortable or trust her going out.

I suggest you talk to her about this. Have her either write a daily schedule for you. Or inform you to her whereabouts at all times, especially in the early stages of recovery. There should be no social contact in any situation with other men around. And certainly no bars, hang outs, etc.

Stop keeping your feelings to yourself. I fee like you should tell her how you feel. Not just throw the subject aside and pretend like it didn't happen. You two need to communicate, comes to terms with the fact it happened, and take it one day at a time. Although you don't need to throw the affair in her face or have angry outbursts (I know from experience), I feel like you should be comfortable enough to say something along the lines of

"in light of everything that has happened, I would really appreciate it if you refrain from going out while we try to work on our marriage."

have you guys written EP's, because her hanging out socially should certainly be on it. We wrote ours with the help of Jennifer, and they are meant to keep the marriage affair proof as well as help you feel comfortable during the recovery process. Best of luck to you and Merry Christmas.

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Originally Posted by kerala
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You seem to take pleasure in making people in pain feel worse. It is vile. I hope when something bad happens to you (and it will), you experience the contempt that you so lavishly disperse to others.

I read NG's post 3 times looking for anything vile or anything that demonstrated contempt and cannot find it. What I did find was a very much needed truthful statement that is designed to wake up this poster. This poster is in a deep fog and is sitting on the railroad tracks with a train headed his way. His situation is very dire and does not warrant cute, soft words, but a baseball bat to the head.

It is obvious to us that his wife is either in an affair or is trolling for one because Michael is not in recovery. He has not taken any of the first steps, which would be to affair proof the marriage and create an integrated, transparent, romantic marriage. That has not even begun. And that is because he is not using Marriage Builders.

Michael, have you considered using Marriage Builders?


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I am baffled why any married person would go out at night without their spouse. I fail to see how that would ever complement any marriage. That is valuable time that should be spent with one's spouse, not squandered on friends. WHO puts up with that?? crazy


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Originally Posted by MichaelJR2012
Yes, Pokerface most of your questions have already been answered in my previous posts. Although I still have a lot of pent up emotions, I do not plan to police my wife.

I do not have the energy or time. The way I see things, it took so much out of me to forgive her and gave her a second chance. If a 2nd affair were to happen and I hope to god that never happens but if it were to happen then I would not have it in me to do it again.

The problem is that you did forgive her. Your inappropriate "forgiveness" only opened the door for more abuse and neglect. That is why you find yourself in this terrible place. Harley doesn't believe in feel good forgiveness, but in Just compensation:

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The vast majority of couples I counsel who have been through the horror of an affair, have better marriages after the affair than before. It's because the affair jolts them into recognizing the need for building an affair-proof marriage, and the safety precautions they use help them create compatibility and love. But has the offended spouse forgiven the offender in these marriages? Yes and no.

First let's try to understand what forgiveness is. One illustration is telling a person who owes you $10,000 that he won't have to pay you back. You "forgive" the debt. In other words, forgiveness is eliminating a obligation of some sort.

But we generally don't think of money when we think of the need of forgiveness. Instead, we are concerned about inconsiderate behavior that has caused us great pain and suffering -- the pain that an affair causes, for example. Forgiveness in these situations means thinking about the person as if the offense never took place. That is extremely difficult to do. The offended spouse usually thinks, what can he or she do to make it up to me. How can I be compensated for the pain I've suffered.

To make matters worse, whenever a wayward spouse sees me for counseling there is rarely regret and rarely a willingness to compensate the offended spouse. They usually ask to be forgiven, but that doesn't mean he or she is deeply remorseful. It usually means that he or she doesn't want us to bring up the subject anymore, or require a change in behavior. In other words, the wayward spouse wants the pain suffered by the offended spouse to be ignored or forgotten. Like a $10,000 debt, they want it forgiven, and then they want to borrow another $10,000.

I'm in favor of forgiveness in many situations, but this isn't one of them. In the case of infidelity, compensation not only helps the offended spouse overcome the resentment he or she harbors, but the right kind of compensation helps restore the relationship and prevents the painful act from being repeated.

In most cases, an offended spouse would be unwise to forgive the wayward spouse without just compensation. It's like forgiving a friend of the $10,000 he owes you, when it's actually in the friend's best interest to pay you in full because it would teach him how to be more responsible with money.

As it turns out, in every affair there is a way to adequately compensate the offended spouse that is good for the offender and good for the marriage. At first, the offended spouse may not want to be compensated. He or she may try to get as far away from the offender as possible to avoid further pain. But if the spouse asks for forgiveness along with a willingness to compensate, the offended spouse is usually willing to entertain the proposal.
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Originally Posted by NeverGuessed
...she has been growing cold to me and has been going out more. Am I wrong to get suspicious?

Well, I'm glad you came here so I could allay your suspicions.

It is almost a certainty that your wife is "going out" with the express intent of trolling for another affair partner, or hooking up with one she has already found.

Let's review, shall we? You married the "perfect woman" and she cheated on you. You found out and spent countless days telling us how you blamed yourself, as much as we told you it was all on her. You and she papered over the appalling betrayal she committed without exposure, JC, or establishing EPs, and you found it expedient to "trust" her again. SURPRISE!!!!! She's off to have, or continue, an affair for the second time. Does that about sum it up?

Merry Christmas!


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Like I said already did that or maybe you are just looking to pick a fight. At least that is what I am getting from your post. If I had wanted someone post troll remarks I would have gone to a different site.



Those "remarks" are not labeling you as a troll.

Those words of wisdom as the other one's before are ignored by you.

Sad to say you tremble in fear from your WW.

Your WW is smart she knows how to make you too afraid to take action against her affair.

Thing is why you let your WW do this to you.

Your WW and the OM are banging each other's brains out now.

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So how is getting your WW mad at you going to make her do anything worse then what she and her OM are doing now?

So please answer this question ASAP.

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Also, only me, my boss, and my wife know about the affair...I feel like I have done everything I can to forgive and forget.

These statements are precisely your problem, dude, and demonstrate your ignorance of the MB program you tried to "audit" instead of enrolling in.

MB rejects entirely the premise of keeping the affair "private". MB does not support "unearned" forgiveness and "enabling" forgetfulness, in any form, at any time. You obviously did nothing to expose her affair to her entire world, demand JC from her after her prior infidelity, nor enact EPs to prevent her current/imminent one. (Certainly the first EP would have been "WW does not go 'out' socializing without BH - ever!")

As to why you came to this site - it certainly wasn't to learn and operate on the principles behind it. People that do so don't re-appear a few weeks later, bemoaning, "Oh dear, I've navel-gazed SO HARD, and WW is doing it to me again!"

So maybe I am picking a fight with the conflict-avoiding persona you have presented thus far, hoping the righteously angry and determined side of you can be brought out.

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t/j to my colleague, Neverguessed: if something bad ever happens to me and I sit on the railroad tracks crying instead of taking action, I fully expect you to smack me with a baseball bat! twoxfour


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My dear friend, were that situation ever to arise, I would worry more about the locomotive's safety than yours! hurray

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You sorry SOB! rotflmao


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
t/j to my colleague, Neverguessed: if something bad ever happens to me and I sit on the railroad tracks crying instead of taking action, I fully expect you to smack me with a baseball bat! twoxfour
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I have to say I, myself, always appreciate your honesty.


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In defense of NG:

Without your caring, thoughtful honesty, I don't know if my marriage would have survived.

THANK YOU and Merry Xmas!!!

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You seem to take pleasure in making people in pain feel worse. It is vile. I hope when something bad happens to you (and it will), you experience the contempt that you so lavishly disperse to others.

Kerala, when I was on the receiving end of NG's posts when I first arrived here, there were many times I was offended and thought why am I here? It was really hard to take at times. The brutal honesty is what I needed, not once or twice, but months of it, and i am serious about months of it. I was a tough fogged out BS to crack.

I am greatful for his posts now as well as many others. Sometimes it takes many posters and many different styles to help the betrayed and the waywards on the right path.


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Originally Posted by TheRoad
Those "remarks" are not labeling you as a troll.

Those words of wisdom as the other one's before are ignored by you.

Sad to say you tremble in fear from your WW.

Your WW is smart she knows how to make you too afraid to take action against her affair.

Thing is why you let your WW do this to you.

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So how is getting your WW mad at you going to make her do anything worse then what she and her OM are doing now?

So please answer this question ASAP.

Come on, is that really necessary. Not going to do anything to persuade him to do the right thing by being borderline abusive and showing absolutely zero compassion for his situation.

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I would worry more about the locomotive's safety than yours!

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