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Don't you get that by ending this, you are helping both families.
The worst thing you could do to anyone is know that someone is destroying their family and say nothing.
Don't try to disguise fear with altruism. I tried to convince myself for a long time. The OM's family knows I verified that.
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From what you have posted, the information you have about the OM family comes from you wife, who has a reason she might want you to not expose to the OM family.
If you have exposed and verified she knows, spoken with her or communicated with her, why haven't you said so?
Her meaning OM's wife
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From what you have posted, the information you have about the OM family comes from you wife, who has a reason she might want you to not expose to the OM family.
If you have exposed and verified she knows, spoken with her or communicated with her, why haven't you said so?
Her meaning OM's wife Oh no I verified through another source not connected to my wife.
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Why are you averse to contacting OMW and working together with her? All she can tell you is butt out (happened to me). She could be your best ally.
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Why are you averse to contacting OMW and working together with her? All she can tell you is butt out (happened to me). She could be your best ally. I had not thought of it that way. Still trying to wrap my head around all this.
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Is there a reason why you won't contact the OMW, the OMs employer and expose to your children and family? I am concerned that we are more serious about saving your marriage than you are.
Obviously the OMW does not have the necessary details about the affair that you do. She should be your greatest ally and could be able to stop the OM from pursuing your wife.
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Is there a reason why you won't contact the OMW, the OMs employer and expose to your children and family? I am concerned that we are more serious about saving your marriage than you are.
Obviously the OMW does not have the necessary details about the affair that you do. She should be your greatest ally and could be able to stop the OM from pursuing your wife. Ok reached out to the OW. She knows all the details and knew about the affair before I did. She is working to reconcile but is not interested in any extended dialog with me at least not right now.
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I don't have the time to go back and refreshing myself on all the details, but I suspect you have not really exposed thoroughly.
His employer needs to know or any authorities he reports to. Any people of influence or pressure in his or your wife's existence.
This is vital. It needs to be so that if they are seen together or if anyone that has influence knows that they are in contact then the scrutiny and pressure will be high. They need to be as uncomfortable as possible. You need to eliminate the channels. Change phone numbers, emails. Cut off social media.
This may help end the willful contact. I don't recall how much you have said about possible incidental contact. This has to be eliminated. No seeing each other on the road, no running into each other at the grocery, at functions. It all has to stop or she will never withdraw and you will never recover. Never as in not ever.
You may have to make big changes. You need to understand what you are up against.
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Ok reached out to the OW. She knows all the details and knew about the affair before I did. She is working to reconcile but is not interested in any extended dialog with me at least not right now. Ok, that takes care of one aspect. What about the OM's employer, your children and family members? The OM violated the professional standards for a PT. If you don't report him, you ENABLE him to do this to someone else's marriage. And will the OMW notify you when she learns of any contact? Did she give an explanation about why she didn't inform you of the affair since she knew before you? Will she let you know when they hook up in the future?
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Ok everyone knows that is relevant including the OM's employer. I plan to have a face to face with him today if possible. I need to hear from him some of the details I dont think my wife knows. I need to hear the guys perspective. I think he told my wife what she wanted to hear to get what he wanted and needed. My wife is still in denial and has said she is completly turned off by me phsically. I know in time that will change but I think the biggest part of that is there was no real closure with the OM. After my meeting with the OM if I confirm what I think I know I am thinking there needs to be hard closure possibly the three of us face to face.
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I have made the time for us to spend together but my wife is having a hard time opening up. She gets very angry and withdraws if I want to talk about the relationship. I asked her why and she said its because I have done a complete 180 and she is right I have. I was laying it on way to heavy too soon but I have pulled back a bit to give her space. I have no illuzions this will take time to mend but i do not want to miss an oppourtunity either. My gut tells me to give her the space she needs.
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The meeting is a bad idea. There is a right way to end the affair and get closure. You and your wife need to write a no contact letter that is approved by you and send it. Then you need to follow up with extraordinary precautions to ensure that there is no contact. From SAA: I recommended to Kevin that he write Amy the final good-bye in a letter. I did not want him to see or talk to her ever again if at all possible. The letter had to be written in a way that was acceptable to Lee. It was to be short and to the point. It was to begin with a statement of how selfish it was to those they love so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it would be the right thing to do. Then Kevin would explain how he cared about Lee and his children, and for the sake of their protection had decided to completely end his relationship with Amy. Kevin would promise never to see or communicate with Amy again in life and would ask Amy to respect that promise. Nothing would be said about how he would miss her. If you haven't ordered SAA you should. Kevin and Lee's story is about an emotional affair. Dr. Harley is clear that an emotional affair is just as devastating as a physical affair. The steps to recover your marriage after an EA are the same; a no contact letter followed by extraordinary precautions to ensure no contact.
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The meeting is a bad idea. There is a right way to end the affair and get closure. You and your wife need to write a no contact letter that is approved by you and send it. Then you need to follow up with extraordinary precautions to ensure that there is no contact. From SAA: I recommended to Kevin that he write Amy the final good-bye in a letter. I did not want him to see or talk to her ever again if at all possible. The letter had to be written in a way that was acceptable to Lee. It was to be short and to the point. It was to begin with a statement of how selfish it was to those they love so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it would be the right thing to do. Then Kevin would explain how he cared about Lee and his children, and for the sake of their protection had decided to completely end his relationship with Amy. Kevin would promise never to see or communicate with Amy again in life and would ask Amy to respect that promise. Nothing would be said about how he would miss her. If you haven't ordered SAA you should. Kevin and Lee's story is about an emotional affair. Dr. Harley is clear that an emotional affair is just as devastating as a physical affair. The steps to recover your marriage after an EA are the same; a no contact letter followed by extraordinary precautions to ensure no contact. I am not looking at this as closure for my wife but for me. There are things I need to know to move on only he can tell me. If the three of us meeting will be a bad idea then no meeting. I just put that out there for comments.
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I have made the time for us to spend together but my wife is having a hard time opening up. She gets very angry and withdraws if I want to talk about the relationship. I asked her why and she said its because I have done a complete 180 and she is right I have. I was laying it on way to heavy too soon but I have pulled back a bit to give her space. I have no illuzions this will take time to mend but i do not want to miss an oppourtunity either. My gut tells me to give her the space she needs. Again, your gut is wrong. She does not need "space" Continue to meet your wife's needs as in Plan A. Do not expect much during withdrawal. From SAA: Lee wanted to quickly straighten out whatever had been missing in her marriage. That's what most spouses do when they get over the shock of discovering that their spouse was unfaithful. If it was sex that was missing, the spouse wants to offer more and better sex. If it was affection,it's more and better affection. If it was conversation, more and better conversation. A spouse is usually willing to do whatever it takes to regain a wayward spouse's love. But these initial efforts to meet the wayward spouse's emotional needs are usually ineffective during the first few weeks of withdrawal because the spouse is so unhappy.
I warned Lee that there would not be much she could do to cheer up Kevin. Her love and care for him during the first few weeks of his separation from Amy would probably seem to her as a wasted effort. However, after the worst symptoms of withdrawal began to fade, those extraordinary precautions I had recommended would help Lee and Kevin redeposit love units into each other's Love Bank. marital recovery cannot begin until withdrawal is ended
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Ok everyone knows that is relevant including the OM's employer. I plan to have a face to face with him today if possible. I need to hear from him some of the details I dont think my wife knows. I need to hear the guys perspective. I think he told my wife what she wanted to hear to get what he wanted and needed. My wife is still in denial and has said she is completly turned off by me phsically. I know in time that will change but I think the biggest part of that is there was no real closure with the OM. After my meeting with the OM if I confirm what I think I know I am thinking there needs to be hard closure possibly the three of us face to face. "Closure" means to close, not OPEN. Your wife should never ever see or speak to this punk again. There should not be a 3 way meeting. You close the door by closing it. She should send the no contact letter outlined in Surviving an Affair and that should be the end of that. What did his employer say? What actions will be taken against him? You are very vague and I am not sure what you mean by "his employer knows." Do you want to save your marriage? Because all I see here is a person who is following his own plan and making it up as he goes along. As such, you are making strategic mistakes. Do you want our help, Sir, or are you here to blog?
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I have made the time for us to spend together but my wife is having a hard time opening up. She gets very angry and withdraws if I want to talk about the relationship. I asked her why and she said its because I have done a complete 180 and she is right I have. I was laying it on way to heavy too soon but I have pulled back a bit to give her space. I have no illuzions this will take time to mend but i do not want to miss an oppourtunity either. My gut tells me to give her the space she needs. Again, your gut is wrong. She does not need "space" Continue to meet your wife's needs as in Plan A. Do not expect much during withdrawal. From SAA: Lee wanted to quickly straighten out whatever had been missing in her marriage. That's what most spouses do when they get over the shock of discovering that their spouse was unfaithful. If it was sex that was missing, the spouse wants to offer more and better sex. If it was affection,it's more and better affection. If it was conversation, more and better conversation. A spouse is usually willing to do whatever it takes to regain a wayward spouse's love. But these initial efforts to meet the wayward spouse's emotional needs are usually ineffective during the first few weeks of withdrawal because the spouse is so unhappy.
I warned Lee that there would not be much she could do to cheer up Kevin. Her love and care for him during the first few weeks of his separation from Amy would probably seem to her as a wasted effort. However, after the worst symptoms of withdrawal began to fade, those extraordinary precautions I had recommended would help Lee and Kevin redeposit love units into each other's Love Bank. marital recovery cannot begin until withdrawal is ended Thanks that makes complete sense its just hard to overcome the doubts. I have to keep reminding myself we are experiencing the exact symptons all the literature on this site describes.
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I have made the time for us to spend together but my wife is having a hard time opening up. She gets very angry and withdraws if I want to talk about the relationship. I asked her why and she said its because I have done a complete 180 and she is right I have. I was laying it on way to heavy too soon but I have pulled back a bit to give her space. I have no illuzions this will take time to mend but i do not want to miss an oppourtunity either. My gut tells me to give her the space she needs. The way to turn this around is to follow the steps to restore the romantic love in your marriage. That is the opposite of "space." Do you have the book, Survivng an Affair yet? The steps for recovery are in there and we can help you with next steps.
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WCG, are you certain that all contact has ended? By that I mean, are you watching her phone and computer? Do you have a GPS on her car? It is real important at this stage to ensure that every means of contact, even Facebook, is shut down.
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Ok everyone knows that is relevant including the OM's employer. Can you tell us WHO KNOWS, what they know and who told them?
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Ok everyone knows that is relevant including the OM's employer. I plan to have a face to face with him today if possible. I need to hear from him some of the details I dont think my wife knows. I need to hear the guys perspective. I think he told my wife what she wanted to hear to get what he wanted and needed. My wife is still in denial and has said she is completly turned off by me phsically. I know in time that will change but I think the biggest part of that is there was no real closure with the OM. After my meeting with the OM if I confirm what I think I know I am thinking there needs to be hard closure possibly the three of us face to face. "Closure" means to close, not OPEN. Your wife should never ever see or speak to this punk again. There should not be a 3 way meeting. You close the door by closing it. She should send the no contact letter outlined in Surviving an Affair and that should be the end of that. What did his employer say? What actions will be taken against him? You are very vague and I am not sure what you mean by "his employer knows." Do you want to save your marriage? Because all I see here is a person who is following his own plan and making it up as he goes along. As such, you are making strategic mistakes. Do you want our help, Sir, or are you here to blog? Sorry I do not meen to be vague. The OM works as a contactor for a Medical Service. I called the servise and said I had some information about an ethical issue with one of their employees. They connected me to a gentleman and I explained the situation. He said unfortunatly that happens from time to and they have policies in place to handle that but insured me they would act on it.
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