Welcome to the
Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum

This is a community where people come in search of marriage related support, answers, or encouragement. Also, information about the Marriage Builders principles can be found in the books available for sale in the Marriage Builders® Bookstore.
If you would like to join our guidance forum, please read the Announcement Forum for instructions, rules, & guidelines.
The members of this community are peers and not professionals. Professional coaching is available by clicking on the link titled Coaching Center at the top of this page.
We trust that you will find the Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum to be a helpful resource for you. We look forward to your participation.
Once you have reviewed all the FAQ, tech support and announcement information, if you still have problems that are not addressed, please e-mail the administrators at mbrestored@gmail.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
Originally Posted by markos
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
I market all my sponsors for the Jeep events through FB. It is like a job...my contribution to the club is event marketing and sponsorship acquisition.

How much income does this job bring in?


So I need to put a price on friendship and doing my part?

Listen....I have lived 44 years of my life doing things one way...and having value in friendships because I don't have many. Really, this is the first time in a long time I had any at all.

Of course I am going to look at everything and take in the advice, but why is asking questions so offensive to you?


D-Day 2/8/17...NC 4/3/17
Wanting to make it work...right this time.
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
P
Member
Member
P Offline
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
Quote
So I need to put a price on friendship and doing my part?

Listen....I have lived 44 years of my life doing things one way...and having value in friendships because I don't have many. Really, this is the first time in a long time I had any at all.
It's your wife or your friends. Choose.

Quote
Of course I am going to look at everything and take in the advice, but why is asking questions so offensive to you?
Why are our responses offensive to you?


Markos' Wife
FWW - EA
8 kids ...
What to do with an Angry Husband

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
P
Member
Member
P Offline
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
Quote
Listen guys, you say I am justifying...i am not. I said she had a point. And ending the behavior...done.
Is Facebook now deleted and blocked?


Markos' Wife
FWW - EA
8 kids ...
What to do with an Angry Husband

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
P
Member
Member
P Offline
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
Quote
I know the signs, and I know how affairs start.
How?


Markos' Wife
FWW - EA
8 kids ...
What to do with an Angry Husband

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
It seems as if some of the advice given is done in a very harsh and condescending manner. I am looking for advice, but not to be made small.

I have no problem deleting the facebook account. I am a big boy, and understand the difference between real friends and facebook freinds, and could give or take the facebook friends.

So as far as the "OW"...problem solved.

Listen guys, you say I am justifying...i am not. I said she had a point. And ending the behavior...done.

All I am saying, is this was no more the "OW" than any other "W" that attended this occasion. There really was nothing more between her and I than any other casual conversation I had. It was the facebook thing that got it all misunderstood.

If the conversation was offensive, then perhaps I have to reflect on that. I did not feel I was flirting, but that is for me to look deeper at I suppose.

Please do reflect on it. What you described is EXACTLY how affairs begin. They ALL begin as opposite sex friendships. And many of them on facebook!

We don't misunderstand anything. YOU DO. You don't understand what you are doing.



Quote
I have been building cars since I was 4 years old. I have always worked on cars. It is a joy of mine. I told my wife when I met her I wanted to restore a 64 Pontiac GTO....well I never became wealthy enough so I chose the Jeep Cherokee....cheap and fun. BUT...she new I was into cars.

My understanding from you is this: If my wife does not like working on cars, I should give up working on cars? If my wife does not want me to have friends, I should not have friends?

EXACTLY! Your wife should be your favorite leisure activity and since she is NOT, Dr Harley would tell you to give up the Jeeping unless she could enthusiastically join you in that endeavor.

Either way, this Jeep club should be put on the far back burner while you cultivate your marriage. Your marriage is dying.

Quote
The Policy of Joint Agreement...when does it become irrational? I ask these questions not to be facetious, but I really want to know. When does it become that I have to give up everything I enjoy and only do everything she enjoys in order to have a relationship.

The fact that you enjoy everything else OVER your marriage is the source of the problem. Your marriage should be your greatest source of happiness, not some hobby. That means that you DROP the hobby and work on your marriage until it is GREAT. Until you want to be with your wife MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR LIFE.

But as long as you continue to Jeep while neglecting your marriage, your marriage will never reach the ranking it should because of the contrast effect.



"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1




What to Do When Your Recreational Companionship
Becomes Boring and Unpleasant (Part 2)

Letter #1


Introduction:My last column, What to Do When Your Recreational Companionship Becomes Boring and Unpleasant (Part 1], attracted the interest of quite a few people who are having trouble motivating their spouses to become their recreational companions. So I've decided to give the subject a deeper look since it is so important to the health of your marriage.

My position, simply stated, is that you and your spouse should be each other's best recreational companions. Why? Because recreational companionship, is one of the easiest ways to deposit love units into each other's Love Banks. If you want to be in love with each other, one of the simplest ways to do it is to be with each other when you are having fun. In fact, that's probably how you fell in love with each other in the first place--you became each other's favorite recreational companions while you were dating. Ever tried dating without recreational companionship,? It doesn't work!

However, continuing to be each other's best recreational companions after marriage is a bit tricky. There are so many new responsibilities, so little time and so little money, that for many couples recreation itself becomes a luxury that seems out of reach. They do manage to get away from it all once in a while, but they tend to do it by themselves, rather than with each other. The recreational companionship that drew them together before marriage is often left behind after the honeymoon.

Recreational companionship can be continued throughout marriage if you are willing to make a radical decision: Spend most of your leisure time with each other. Why take that drastic step? Because if you don't spend your leisure time with each other, doing what you enjoy the most, someone else will turn out to be your favorite companion. If it's someone of the opposite sex, your marriage will really be in trouble.

Since this argument is not understood by many, I have tried to be as clear and persuasive as possible in my answers to the letters of this week's column. I am not only posting these letters to help you become recreational companions, but I am also posting them as a warning. If you allow yourselves to indulge in separate recreational activities, they may eventually cause you to lose love for each other, and possibly cause an affair. Furthermore, when you discover that they are ruining your marriage, they can be very difficult to abandon because they can be so addictive.

If you rarely allow yourselves to spend your leisure time apart from each other, you will never face the nightmares that this week's couples face. You can avoid it all if you make a commitment to each other that you will be each other's best recreational companions -- for life.



Dear Dr. Harley,

We've been married nearly 25 years and have three sons, ages 16, 12, and 2. We used to do everything together, although in those early struggling years with both of us working long hours there wasn't much time for recreation. But after a while, my husband, a outdoorsman, began to leave me home with the kids while he pursues his hunting, fishing, skeet-shooting, and his latest endeavor, baseball umpiring.

I now spend half my time resenting being left home with the kids while he is away from home, and half my time feeling guilty for being angry about it. We've had many a battle over this, but he says he's an outdoorsman and loves to hunt and fish. He says that since our 2 year old needs to be taken care of, this is just the way it's going to be.

This past Saturday afternoon he left to go tournament fishing with a buddy and came in at 3:30 Sunday morning. He slept in and was short with the kids all day Sunday. We had company from out of town visit Sunday evening. He was home Monday evening after work, exhausted, and sat in his chair all evening. Tuesday he came home and said he just remembered he had a ball game to umpire, was home 45 minutes and left for that, returning at 9:30 pm. Then he left Wednesday morning for a 5-day business trip that he had known about for months but had not told me about. We'll see him Sunday night. Baseball's over, but here comes more fishing and he's already talking about preparing for hunting season.

We talk, but it just seems neither of us knows how to change anything. I feel like we agree to be nice to each other and overlook the trouble spots, but we're really just stuffing them till they explode. I love him and I know he loves me, but looking at what our relationship is going to be like in a few years if we continue this way scares me. I feel so alone now. We just aren't connecting at all.

We CAN afford baby sitters and I DO like fishing and baseball and even skeet-shooting. I want our marriage to be good for both of us and I also want us to set a good example to our boys. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.

B.P.




Dear B.P.,

Your husband, like so many other men (and women) in his position, probably feels overwhelmed by responsibility, particularly after your 2 year old arrived. He views his recreational activities as his only escape from those responsibilities. When he goes fishing, he can forget about all the pressure he is under, and just relax. It's what keeps him going, I'm sure.

You recognize that he has made a terrible mistake: He does not take you with him when he wants to relax. As a result, you are no longer being associated with his most enjoyable moments. Instead, he is associating you with the responsibility that he is trying to escape. He may still be in love with you, but the way things are going, that love may be at risk.

When you were first married, you may not have realized that recreation itself is essential to your emotional health. The only way either of you would be happy would be to get away from it all once in a while. At first, both you and your husband may have tried to spend all of your time trying to meet the mountain of responsibilities you both faced. But eventually, your husband learned to escape it all by fishing and hunting. Unfortunately, for some reason he didn't include you in his escape. If you and he had escaped from your responsibilities together, right from the start, you would probably have been fishing together this weekend, without your children.

Recreational activities that separate a husband and wife can ruin marriages, as you've discovered. Your husband's love for you is ruined because he no longer associates you with his most enjoyable moments. His fishing buddies get all the credit. When he is with you, he associates you with all of the responsibilities he faces, and all of the stress he is trying to escape. Your love for him isn't doing very well either. Every time he abandons you to run off and have a good time, he loses love units. Your feeling of increasing resentment is the result of all the love units he's been withdrawing.

If you want your marriage to succeed, you must become associated with each other's best and most relaxed moments, not just the times of stress and frustration. Recreational companionship is the easiest way to do that, and it's not too late to change.

Over the years, his fishing, hunting, and baseball have become incredibly enjoyable to him--so enjoyable that for you to suggest that he avoid it to be home with you and the children might seem totally insensitive and even cruel. How could you take away his only source of pleasure? He might think that you hate him to even suggest such a thing.

If you want to become his recreational companion, you will need to approach the problem with clear purpose, but also with sensitivity to your husband's feelings. You can still reach your husband, because, as you said in your letter, he still loves you. It's important to understand how hard it will be for him to integrate you into his escape after all these years. Having you along fishing will take some doing on his part, because you are now associated with all the responsibility he is trying to escape. And what if it turns out that you don't like fishing as much as you thought you would? You may need to find new recreational activities that you can enjoy together.

To help you both make this difficult but necessary transition into becoming each other's best recreational companions, I suggest you negotiate with your husband. Here are four steps that will make it easier for you to resolve your conflict.

1. Set ground rules to make negotiations pleasant and safe.

Before you start to talk to your husband about recreational activities, make sure that you follow these rules: (a) be pleasant and cheerful throughout your discussion of the issue, (b) put safety first--do not threaten to cause pain or suffering when you negotiate, even if your husband makes threatening remarks or if the negotiations fail, and (c) if you reach an impasse, stop for a while and come back to the issue later.

Under no conditions should you be disrespectful or judgmental of your husband's opinions or desires. Your negotiations should accept and respect your differences. Otherwise, you will fail to make them pleasant and safe.

2. Identify the problem from the perspectives of both you and your spouse.

Be able to state each other's position regarding your conflict about recreational activities before you go on to find a solution. Be sure you don't argue with each other, just get to know how you both feel regarding the issue.

3. Brainstorm solutions with abandon.

Spend some time thinking of all sorts of ways to handle the problem, and don't correct each other when you hear of a plan that you don't like -- you'll have a chance to do that during the fourth step. Write down every suggestion. If you give your intelligence a chance to flex its muscle, you will have a long list of possible solutions.

4. Choose the solution that is appealing to both of you.

From your list of solutions, some will satisfy only one of you but not both. However, scattered within the list will be solutions that both of you would find attractive. Among those solutions that are mutually satisfactory, select the one that you both like the most.

When you use the Policy of Joint Agreement to resolve any of your conflicts, neither of you will feel controlled by the other, because you are not being forced to do anything. The only restrictions you will feel are those that prevent you from gaining at each other's expense. That's not control, that's thoughtfulness.

If these four steps don't give you enough guidance, it might help if you were to read Fall in Love, Stay in Love together, because I wrote it to help couples learn to negotiate. Even if your husband is not the marriage manual type, reading it by yourself will help you learn how to reach him in a way that takes his feelings into account. There is a chapter in Fall in Love, Stay in Love that specifically addresses the issue of how to become recreational companions.

You say you love each other--now learn to become each other's best friends.
here


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,964
G
Member
Member
G Offline
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,964
Jim,

After everything, my wife is telling me that this has cost me my marriage. I feel I did nothing wrong and have apologized for the unintended perception, but i feel she is projecting a lot more on this situation.

Then listen to what the posters are telling you Jim, they may be telling you what your BW has not told you because she has given up.

To summarize from your BWs perspective, and she still may feel like a BW, you were at a Jeep gathering with many young or attractive females, you corresponded with a woman some number of years younger than you, her relationship was breaking up, you were drinking...etc

Even if you did nothing it's not the assortment of things someone who wanted to avoid even the appearance of wrong would do.

God Bless
Gamma

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
Quote
So what am I missing?
Well, have you deleted your FB accounts? That may be what you're missing.

GET RID OF FACEBOOK. It could kill your marriage, as fast as you can say "It was an innocent conversation"


D-Day 2-10-2009
Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever!
Thank you Marriage Builders!

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
P
Member
Member
P Offline
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,362
Likes: 3
Have you closed your Facebook accounts yet?


Markos' Wife
FWW - EA
8 kids ...
What to do with an Angry Husband

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by hangnthere
Point I made to her....it won't be resentment if it is my choice to choose her over my hobby. Will there be withdrawal, as if the Jeep was my OW....you betcha....but I also believe if we can find joy in each other I will miss it less.

She does not want me to give it all up. She is afraid of me doing that.

You can assure her there is nothing to be afraid of. She should be afraid if you don't. Dr Harley would tell you to give it up entirely for a while, until you elevate your marriage to your #1 recreational activity. You need to retire the jeeping for now because of the contrast effect. Your marriage can't compete right now.

She needs to understand the difference between Resentment type A and type B. By staying in the jeeping, you are fostering the WORST kind of resentment, which is Type A resentment. That kind of resentment can remain in your marriage FOREVER.

Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
One of the most common objections to the POJA is that it creates
resentment when it�s followed. I agree; it does usually create some
resentment. But far more resentment is created when it is not followed.
An illustration will help make this important point.

George is invited to watch football with his friend Sam. He tells
his wife, Sue, that he plans to accept the invitation. Sue objects.

If George goes ahead and watches the game, he�s guilty of independent
behavior. He is not following the POJA, and Sue will be resentful.
When George does something against the wishes of Sue, I call
her resentment type A.

If George follows the POJA and doesn�t accept Sam�s invitation,
George will be resentful. When George is prevented from doing something
because of Sue�s objections, I call his resentment type B.

Which type of resentment makes the largest Love Bank withdrawals:
type A or type B? The answer is type A, and that�s why the POJA
helps build Love Bank balances. I�ll explain.

When George violates the POJA, Sue has no choice but to feel
the effect of the thoughtless decision (Love Bank withdrawals) for
as long as memory persists�possibly for life whenever the event is
recalled. But when George follows the POJA, the negative effect is
limited in time. It lasts only as long as it takes to discover an enjoyable
alternative that is acceptable to Sue.
here


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
I have read, and listened and talked to my wife. Sorry if I fail to use all the acronyms...I will learn...

I understand. I know that by engaging in relationship speak with another woman, even in a group setting, was exposing myself to giving advice that maybe could cause admiration and possibly advances, even if that was not my intention.

I also understand, that by becoming Facebook friends with her and following up with a message about her new job, was also showing a level of intrigue with this woman that was inappropriate and could further make me vulnerable while in a fragile state with my own relationship.

We know this site. We have strayed, yes...but my family means more to me than anything else.

I have offered to close my accounts on FB...I have offered to close my forum accounts (I belong to 40? but only visit 5 regularly). I have offered to sell the Jeep.

Point I made to her....it won't be resentment if it is my choice to choose her over my hobby. Will there be withdrawal, as if the Jeep was my OW....you betcha....but I also believe if we can find joy in each other I will miss it less.

She does not want me to give it all up. She is afraid of me doing that.

So....we need to discuss how to involve her if I am to keep it. But it needs to be toned REAL down. I think we need to enjoy each other first, so she can find a way to enjoy activity with me. If she loves being with me....she probably wouldn't mind a Jeep being around too.

I also would really like her to meet my friends and their wives and be a part of it. And I have tried. I have offered for us all to get together. I have offered to bring her with me. I want them to be mutual friends. I really think she would enjoy it. My wife, by her own admission, has been in depression and it has held her up from any real socializing. And I went on without her. That was wrong. I need her to enthusiastically want something, or I should not do it. Otherwise we have no choice but to grow apart, and that is not what I want.

I can imagine a life without my Jeep...I can't imagine a life without her.


Re-post.. I posted with her log in the first time


D-Day 2/8/17...NC 4/3/17
Wanting to make it work...right this time.
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 92,985
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by hangnthere
So....we need to discuss how to involve her if I am to keep it. But it needs to be toned REAL down. I think we need to enjoy each other first, so she can find a way to enjoy activity with me. If she loves being with me....she probably wouldn't mind a Jeep being around too.

You have the right idea, but the timing is wrong. You should eliminate Jeeping altogether for now. Wait about a year and see if she would be enthusiastic about joining you in that recreation. If she doesn't enjoy it, it should be abandoned.

Your wife is in the terrible habit of making sacrifices for her marriage, and that is how incompatibility is created in marriage.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,818
Likes: 7
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,818
Likes: 7
Quote
My wife, by her own admission, has been in depression and it has held her up from any real socializing. And I went on without her. That was wrong.

As a matter of fact, Dr. Harley says the first thing to try to eliminate depression in wives is to schedule fifteen hours a week together, alone and outside of the house, talking, having a recreational activity (which is mostly a pretense for conversation smile ), being affectionate, being flirtatious. Heal her relationship, and her depression will probably be healed, because the primary cause of depression in women is their relationship.


If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app!

Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8.
Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010

If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,860
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,860



You do not need to have women friends. There are enough men driving around in Jeeps.

That you never talk about personal relationships with women

Last edited by TheRoad; 06/07/13 08:51 AM.
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
Originally Posted by TheRoad
You do not need to have women friends. There are enough men driving around in Jeeps.

That you never talk about personal relationships with women

Agreed and not disputed. And none of my real friends are women. I have a good supportive group, but I will be talking to them about taking a little leave to put my house in order and putting my wife number one. They will understand.


D-Day 2/8/17...NC 4/3/17
Wanting to make it work...right this time.
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
2
Member
Member
2 Offline
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
I was not having my emotional needs met outside of my marriage. For christ's sake I met her once, in a group and had a five line conversation.

So what am I missing?


Hello to a fellow Jeep Lover!

I can see things from your perspective. I really can. I don't think you intended to hurt your W.


What you are missing is possibly an in-depth understanding and application of 2 of the most essential rules of MB.


The POJA and RA.

IF these 2 rules were in place this would have never happened.


These 2 policies never enter the 'extreme' realm because both parties win EVERY single time.

RA is a fantastic idea as long as you are never disrespectful to each other, judgemental or have Angry Outbursts.

POJA and RA can take years to perfect. This may be the key factor tha needs worked on in your M.






Last edited by 20YearHistory; 06/07/13 01:32 PM.
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
2
Member
Member
2 Offline
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
I can imagine a life without my Jeep...I can't imagine a life without her.

Exactly! You can have both if you and your W can mutually agree on a way that works for both of you.


Do you or your wife ever listen to the radio show? There is a smart phone app for free. Dr Harley discusses the POJA several tiems a week.

Look, this policy is tricky. It really is. Neither side can go into a conversation about a topic and have their feet 'stuck in the sand' with what THEY want or it will never work. What he emphasises is both H&W have to be OPEN to the possiblities.

Listen to her. Really listen to her. She should do the same.
Dr Harley has said many times that he thinks the main reason that most couples get a D is that they do not use the POJA.

I am sure you and your W can list out the things that you need to resolve and resolve them using POJA!

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
2
Member
Member
2 Offline
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
I have offered to bring her with me. I want them to be mutual friends.--But does she??? I really think she would enjoy it.---But does she??? My wife, by her own admission, has been in depression and it has held her up from any real socializing.


Do you know what the #1 reason for a W to be depressed is?


....their marriage/relationship with their H.


Spend 15hrs/week UA, strengthen your M...become an expert at meeting each others EN's, follow the policies, avoid LB's...


Guess what most likly will happen?


Her depression will fade.


Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 178
Thanks 20Year...solid advice. We are definitely looking at everything the program offers and I will have to check into the radio show...I was unaware.


D-Day 2/8/17...NC 4/3/17
Wanting to make it work...right this time.
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
2
Member
Member
2 Offline
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,153
Originally Posted by jimbobalu
I can imagine a life without my Jeep...I can't imagine a life without her.


I love my jeep. I really do. Have for years and years.

I also love my W and family which it THE most important thing to me on this planet.

SO, my new jeeping life now consists of all 4 of us piling and and enjoying it together!! The old days of out hiting it with my buds is over...although one of my good buddies still hangs out with his jeep with us. (Sweet too..Maroon 2013 4-door, hard top Limited)

Can't imagine it any other way.


Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Search
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 299 guests, and 92 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
elongrimer, finnbentley, implementsheep, rafaelakutch, DGTian120
72,045 Registered Users
Latest Posts
Three Times A Charm
by still seeking - 08/09/25 01:31 PM
How important is it to get the whole story?
by still seeking - 07/24/25 01:29 AM
Annulment reconsideration help
by abrrba - 07/21/25 03:05 PM
Help: I Don't Like Being Around My Wife
by abrrba - 07/21/25 03:01 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics133,625
Posts2,323,525
Members72,046
Most Online6,102
Jul 3rd, 2025
Building Marriages That Last A Lifetime
Copyright © 2025, Marriage Builders, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Site Navigation
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0