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This adultery is outside the scope of the classroom. No facts gained from the professor/student relationship are being shared. I fail to see that privately revealing private misconduct, with revealing and misconduct both outside the venue of academia, constitutes a breach.

Not to side-track this thread, BUT...

here is the issue:

Fair and impartial treatment of students is part of the code of ethics of Alada's profession. Because of the adultery between Alada's husband and her student, Alada cannot possibly grade this woman's work fairly and impartially. Due to this fatal conflict of interest, the instructor-student relationship MUST end.

A low or failing grade in a course is likely to have repercussions for the student. For example, the student may have to retake the course, at a financial loss (because the student will need to pay for the course twice). Additionally, a low or failing grade on a transcript may have longer-term effects, such as a student's reduced ability to complete a certificate or degree program, obtain acceptance into a graduate program or obtain employment. Alada's OW would likely file a grievance, arguing that her low grade reflected bias on Alada's part, not her actual work in the course. The OW may also argue that Alada created a hostile learning environment for her. Unfortunately, "she is sleeping with my husband" is NOT a valid reason for an instructor to create a hostile learning environment. An instructor can NEVER create a hostile learning environment for ANY reason; it is counter to the code of ethics of the profession.

When the OW files her grievance and presents her evidence, directions to not attend classes, print-outs of exposure letters and tales of screaming matches over the phone will NOT work in Alada's favor.

As a more far more dramatic, but parallel example, do you think a doctor who is a BW should treat her husband's OW immediately following D-day? If the BW did, and the OW suffered and filed a malpractice suit, how'd you think it would turn out? (Yes, I understand that life-saving medical procedures and coursework are not the same, but I think the issue of imbalance of power is being missed).

'Nuff said.

Caveat emptor.

BV


Everyone agrees and Alada notified her employers straight away that OW can no longer be her student.

No one suggested screaming matches over the phone.

Everyone agreed that Alada can no longer be involved with OW professionally in any way. The doctor metaphor isn't quite apt because in your example the doctor continues her WORK with the OW. Exposure is not anything to do with Alada's job.

I'm also pretty sure Alada knows far more what her conditions of employment are in her instituition and nation than we do. It didn't stop her blowing up OWs worls on FB before she even got here.


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Originally Posted by brokenvase
Originally Posted by Neak
This adultery is outside the scope of the classroom. No facts gained from the professor/student relationship are being shared. I fail to see that privately revealing private misconduct, with revealing and misconduct both outside the venue of academia, constitutes a breach.

Not to side-track this thread, BUT...

here is the issue:

Fair and impartial treatment of students is part of the code of ethics of Alada's profession. Because of the adultery between Alada's husband and her student, Alada cannot possibly grade this woman's work fairly and impartially. Due to this fatal conflict of interest, the instructor-student relationship MUST end.

A low or failing grade in a course is likely to have repercussions for the student. For example, the student may have to retake the course, at a financial loss (because the student will need to pay for the course twice). Additionally, a low or failing grade on a transcript may have longer-term effects, such as a student's reduced ability to complete a certificate or degree program, obtain acceptance into a graduate program or obtain employment. Alada's OW would likely file a grievance, arguing that her low grade reflected bias on Alada's part, not her actual work in the course. The OW may also argue that Alada created a hostile learning environment for her. Unfortunately, "she is sleeping with my husband" is NOT a valid reason for an instructor to create a hostile learning environment. An instructor can NEVER create a hostile learning environment for ANY reason; it is counter to the code of ethics of the profession.

When the OW files her grievance and presents her evidence, directions to not attend classes, print-outs of exposure letters and tales of screaming matches over the phone will NOT work in Alada's favor.

As a more far more dramatic, but parallel example, do you think a doctor who is a BW should treat her husband's OW immediately following D-day? If the BW did, and the OW suffered and filed a malpractice suit, how'd you think it would turn out? (Yes, I understand that life-saving medical procedures and coursework are not the same, but I think the issue of imbalance of power is being missed).

'Nuff said.

Caveat emptor.

BV

What you don't understand or are ignoring is that people on this board are telling Alada to include her employer (the Dean on behalf of the University) in any and all of her professional decisions. The direction her Dean is providing shifts the responsibility to the University and the Dean and off of Alada. That is the purpose of leadership, they make the tough decisions and have to deal with the fallback.

If Alada follows the Dean's instructions then she is fine and it sounds as if she is documenting everything very clearly to protect herself.

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Alada posted a few comments back, that although she will have to make up the test herself, the Dean will select the questions, administer the test, and grade it. This sounds like the VERY BEST option for everyone.


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Thanks all for your concerns, yes the Dean will be helping me administer the final exam, and I'm keeping a copy of all interactions. A very detailed one.

We changed WH's cell phone number. Unfortunately I can't cancel the old line, since we are selling our car and his number is listed in the add. We changed the add, but we desperately need to sell the car. I'm keeping the old cell phone with me.

WH agreed to no contact. There is no letter, because at this point I feel a new contact with her will not be good(see below about the threats). We've been watching videos here together, and the "surviving infidelity' one, was the most helpful to make him realize how bad this situation is for me.

About the calls, he confessed everything. Apparently OW is so concerced with not failing the class that she's been calling him (I do have the phone call list) to make threats and inquiries about the class. This is so unreal, I can't belive she still has the nerve to make threats. This concerns me a bit, I'm not sure she will pass the final exam, if that is the case, she might pursue her threats, which I'm not afraid of, since I have evidence, but it will be a very tortous process.

In regards to my marriage, we are making progress, but I still have my head full of images and words. I'm also very sad to know WH is not coming back to school ever. We made an enourmous effort to get him into college, but there is no way he can come back or go somewhere else, at least not for now.

We have a meeting with our priest today. We scheduled a meeting with a counselor last week, but had to cancel it, I didn't have money.


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Originally Posted by Alada
In regards to my marriage, we are making progress, but I still have my head full of images and words. I'm also very sad to know WH is not coming back to school ever. We made an enourmous effort to get him into college, but there is no way he can come back or go somewhere else, at least not for now.


At least now you know under what conditions he can be tempted and can avoid it at all cost in the future. I would never agree for him to go into a classroom setting again. Not now, and not never.

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We have a meeting with our priest today. We scheduled a meeting with a counselor last week, but had to cancel it, I didn't have money.

Can you afford the books, Surviving an Affair and the workbook, Five Steps to Romantic Love? They are pretty cheap on this website and you can follow the lessons in them. You also have a great free resource in the radio show. There are 5 shows a week and you can listen to the shows every day. [they replay for 24 afterwards] You can also write Dr Harley at his radio show if you need some advice.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Thanks for the suggestions MelodyLane, I will look into those.

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I'm back again with a question. WH wrote the NC letter last night. There are still 4 more weeks until the semester is over. So I'm wondering if I should send the letter now, or wait until the semester is over.

I'm not longer her professor, and the letter has just the basic, it was a mistake, do not contact me ever again.

So even if she was to complain, I see no body for complain. Is not a letter from me and we are not harrasing her.

What do you think should I wait until the semester is over just to be safe?


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It's from WH, not from you. I see no reason why that would affect you professionally. I also see no reason to wait. Make a clean cut now, since WH is currently willing to do so, and begin healing.

If you put this off, you'll still be essentially at Square 1 in 4 weeks. Without a compelling reason to wait, I think it should just be sent.


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Originally Posted by Neak
It's from WH, not from you. I see no reason why that would affect you professionally. I also see no reason to wait. Make a clean cut now, since WH is currently willing to do so, and begin healing.

If you put this off, you'll still be essentially at Square 1 in 4 weeks. Without a compelling reason to wait, I think it should just be sent.

Yes send that NC letter today.

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What is the best way to send the letter. I'm not in the states and snail mail here is bad. I wouldn't trust it. Plus I don't have her mailing address.
Should I send an email, form my account? WH's email account? Or send it to her with someone?


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Is there a way for her to receive the letter at or through the school?


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I thought of that, but I do no want to involve any of the secretaries or students. There is no other way to make sure she does receive the letter. I do think an email will be the best route, but I would have to open a joint account just for that.


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You can send it from your husband's account. She will not choose to believe it anyway if it comes from your account. You can close his account right afterwards. If he is leaving college, he will have to give up his account anyway.


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How's it going, Alida?


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A quick update.

OW failed the class.

The dean administered the final exam, but he was so busy with other stuff that I graded the test. I was prety unbiased.

The problem again, I'm the only one teaching this course. THere are no other campuses.

After grading the test I called the dean and gave him the grade. He basically just said I have to be ethical next semester when Ow takes the class again.


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There has to be another option than for her to take the class with you. Insanity.

How are you doing? What is happening with you and your husband?

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Then I would file a grievance inlf necessary OR write to dr harley and tell the dean you have consulted with a clinical psychologist and he has advised ypu not to have further contact with this woman for emotional health reasons.

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Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight
Then I would file a grievance inlf necessary OR write to dr harley and tell the dean you have consulted with a clinical psychologist and he has advised ypu not to have further contact with this woman for emotional health reasons.

Agreed. That is the best course of action.

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Justthe3ofUs here is a link to my updated thread
http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2762116#Post2762116

Thanks for the suggestiong TD and Jedi, I will work on an email to send Dr. H and show it to you for input.

I went to talk to the university lawyer today. Basically she said, there is little I can do about having OW in my class. Academically I can not do anything. I can probably look for someone to teach my class, with hopes OW will take it then, but I see this as a very remote option.

I am actively looking for another job.


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Looking for another job sounds like a good idea. Your emotional health, and your chances of R for your M, are worth it.

Even if your husband were to do everything right for R, you would have continual resentment against him for as long as you were subjected to OW's presence. And your own sanity would be under constant attack. I commend you for already working to prevent this from happening, and not just trying to suck it up. (Sucking it up = Very Bad Idea.)


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