As I said, the phrase "spirit of Jezebel" is not there at all. The word spirit is not even in that passage, except in verse 29 which is talking about the Holy Spirit.

People make up all kinds of interesting doctrines in fancy Christian jargon and throw a smattering of words from the Bible together - it doesn't make it true, and it definitely doesn't make it a good idea to slander your spouse by claiming they have some kind of messed up or evil spirit.

I don't disagree at all with what you've said, Jedi. But it still doesn't mean this "spirit of Jezebel" phrase is a good idea for a husband with a bad marriage to use about his wife. Even if she's wayward! It's disrespectful, and it's definitely not taken from the Bible, other than pitching some Bible vocabulary together.

Sin is sin, absolutely. I don't think that's what's at issue here.

"Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God" (1 Peter 4:11 http://biblehub.com/1_peter/4-11.htm)

I'm not sure that's correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel#Meaning_of_name


I don't know what a soul tie is. I would tend to side with Jedi on praying for people, unless praying for someone is so utterly painful for you that you cannot bear it, in which case I would suggest you pray one last prayer commending the person to God's care and move on, prepared at any time to receive them back if repentance occurs.

DNT,

You chose to commit adultery in your marriage and that was the final line with your wife.

You've been advised to plan A if you want to win her back after divorce but have already dated other women.

My great uncle was a preacher in Oklahoma but got ran out of the churches because he pursued women as much as lost souls on Sundays and lost all credibility.

I encourage you to pray, read the Bible and Plan A if you want to win your wife back.

If you want to move on, then have No Contact with her.

As Markos posted, she will be offended if you tell her she is under the control of Satan or another evil spirit. It will not help any potential recovery.

Read the book of Hosea, where God brings the adulteress woman back to her husband.

Or the Book of Tobit, where God sends an Angel to bring two people together for marriage AFTER HEARING THEIR PRAYERS.

Or Daniel, where the three young men are thrown into a fiery furnace but pray to God for deliverance.

Our God is a living God and the great I Am. There is nothig on earth that He cannot move.

Didn't realize all this - this spirit of Jezebel stuff is a real distraction from what really needs to be done: make love bank deposits, and avoid love bank withdrawals. If the betrayed wife chooses not to recover the marriage, it's not because she has a "spirit of Jezebel." Jesus told people they could leave their spouse for adultery, so let's definitely not call that a spirit of Jezebel.

I think you need to get further away from some of the spiritual teachers with fancy jargon and just read God's word, and work on winning your wife back.

Markos Jesus' address in Revelation is to the church in Thyatira...which at that time is over 1000 years removed from the person Queen Jezebel who reigned in 1 Kings. So if the person as queen is no longer a living person...then by deductive reasoning, Jesus is addressing a "sprit' or like spirit who is leading them astray..which he calls by name - Jezebel. In the realm of any realm of spiritual warfare or any real time application you won't always see a "phrase verbatim" in the Word. It often requires a need to exegesis the text. For instance, we know the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan...however the bible doesn't "say that".

DNT,

Do you want to recover your marriage?

She recently admitted this wasn't the deal breaker. It was my "treatment of her".

At this point, moving on. NC not possible. We have 2 1/2 and 6 year old.

Haven't told her. Not telling her. There is a very specific way to deal with it.

My whole point of posting this thread was that it showed up on Google search. Never figured it would be a MB discussion.

I did. I tried to recover for a couple years prior to the actual legal divorce, in lieu of disclosing the old affairs. There was an emotional divorce that occurred over the course of time. I'm just worn out Jedi. I now know why I was so worn out and why NOTHING would get through...I mean ANYTHING. What....so...ever. Worn out. I've begun to move forward.

Been reading and re-reading Hosea for about a year now.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?topic=IT0005042

A soul tie can be equated to codependency, but it's much deeper. It's a one sided relationship...described between David and Jonathan in 1 Samuel 18:1 "Now it came about when he had finished speaking to Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as himself."

Sounds sweet doesn't it?...However, it is a covenant like bond where there should not be, or where there is no longer a covenant relationship...which is unhealthy emotionally and spiritually.

Have you read the book of Tobit? (in Catholic or orthodox Bibles)

JK - no I have not. I looked it up on Wiki. Not sure if I could ascribe the same authority to text of Tobit as I would the Bible. I can understand the basis and application of Tobias' story but would question if it delivers on the righteous "fruit" that is recorded in the Word of God. Just my quick discernment...

It is not true that having children means NC is not possible. It doesn't take a lot of time around MB to learn otherwise - have you invested effort to learn here?

There's a lot of leaps there.


That's because this is an area where people are typically just making stuff up.

Markos Revelation 12:11 says "And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimony..." A testimony is a personal account of things that have been experienced by people and have been revealed in the spirit� or scripture� Things that you would consider 'made up'. There are countless testimonies of this occurring in marriages churches and other relationships... And it always plays out the same. No one is making up the SAME experience and overcoming with the SAME approach and methods.

More importantly we have 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 "When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit�s words to explain spiritual truths. But people who aren�t spiritual can�t receive these truths from God�s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can�t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others."

DNT, first you cheat on your wife multiple times.

You also had recent EAs which you diminished by determining all by yourself that the inappropriate opposite sex contact were not EAs as "there were no expression of love for neither".

You had a porn addition. Trust me, your wife was affected by this.

In a conversation with your XW, you "summarized my realization of dealing with my own depression, insecurities, sexual addiction, and overall being emotionally unavailable to receive or give love."

In a call with Dr. Harley you related that ""your wife feels she is being forced to do things you want to do. If she does not, you get upset and are disrespectful with her", and your thread provides many examples of you doing just that, including throwing your full knowledge of Scripture at her, forcing her to listen to you read MB aloud, etc.

Your wife recounts the following in a text you copied to your thread ""I can just still hear you calling them distractions and saying the devil is using them and demanding they stay in separate rooms from us with gritted teeth.""

Now you have THE GALL to suggest that her withdrawal from the marriage is BECAUSE SHE IS POSSESSED BY THE SPIRIT OF A JEZEBEL DEMON?

Am I to understand this might be discussed a book you are authoring about your "own story"?

I think it may be more productive for you to focus on how your behavior resulted in consequences than to convince yourself that your wife is possessed of a demon.

Sunnytimes - glad you took time to review my story. Yes on all accounts. Focused...still focused...and this is where I am today. If you expect me to continue to self condemn then...sorry. I will fail 'you' in that regard..

DNT, she divorced you because you were unfaithful.

How on earth are you construing that to SHE needs to repent?

Sir, you are being deceived with this nonsense that SHE is the offender, that SHE needs to repent, that SHE is so demon possessed that some unscriptureal soul tie would damage you if you prayed for her.

Jesus commends us to pray for our enemies. Stephen prayed for those who stoned him, while they stoned him. There is no Biblical precedent for this soul tie you reference.

However, she is not your enemy. She is your victim.