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mrEureka #2806544 06/11/14 09:51 AM
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Many spouses are dealt with having to continue to do Plan A while separated and even throughout the divorce process.

Just because the other spouse is severely hurting and decided to completely withdraw does not mean that you couldn't still use this time to improve yourself.

By learning to be completely honest and follow the MB program, you may still have the opportunity to at least become the Father to your children whom they can admire and respect.

If you are satisfied that during the past 2 weeks that you did everything possible to make up for the previous 13 years of cheating, neglect and abuse, then you need to really take a deep look into a mirror.

You may not ever have your Wife back, but you can still turn your lifelong patterns of behavior around to become a better man, father and even a better ex-husband than the husband you never became.

Life can be about personal growth, especially through significant adversities.

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Originally Posted by gkumar
I have tried everything,i have lost my marriage becoz of my actions.
I am sorry to have hurt anyones feelings on this forum.
thank u for all your help.
I was once a liar ,today no truth can match up to my past lies.

hope you guys always do the good work and some one can save their marriage.
good bye!

If you really want to prove to your wife that you are different, then start right now! YOU should be the one offering to leave the marital home. You should immediately end your lying and gawking at women and all OW relationships. You should make yourself completely transparent to her.


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No I have not quit in any way,i try harder each day,yesterday she kept insisting she wants to leave right away and not wait for the 5th of july as we had originally agreed.
After a lot and I mean a lot of persuasion she agreed on giving it till this week end.
last night I sent her an email explaining to her that we need to give this try once before she decides on leaving as I feel that there is hope,like I mentioned some days her thoughts are under control and then there are some where it becomes impossible for her to let go.I am the one who caused it I agree.but Please tell me a solution.i try communicating via email as when I go and sit in front of her,she hates my sight.I am not manipulating any more.I truly feel she can do it for all of us and so can I.
I am not a wimp,but I know that bringing the past again and again will only cause pain to both of us.

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I have offered everything,right from the polygraph,she told me this morning that she needed a guarantee that this wont happen again.And she made a plan of going to a attorney and making a contract ,if this happens again what do we do.
I told her that's fair and logical.I have not denied on anything she wants,except that she wants to leave now and I think we should atleast give this program a try.
I am sure this could turn out to be the best thing we did.
I love her but I don't know how to control her thoughts.

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Like I said,at this point I am ready to anything she wants,polygraph,attorney meeting for a future contract.Any thing to make her have an assurance.But as of now she does not want to try,she keeps saying I should hire a male escort who would screw her in my bed .I told her that's not the person she is and she would end up feeling worse than before.
Then she said if I cant do that then I need to book her and the kids now,what do I do.
I am trying hard .I love them and would never go back to who I was.She needs just a day to herself.She has been fighting with those thoughts for the last 3 days rigourously. I am ready to work this program out,i am sure she will definitely feel better.

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gkumar, your wife does not "just needs a day to herself". COME ON MAN!

THIS PAIN and TORTURE does not just "go away". You do get that, right?

When it happened to me, it was every three MINUTES round the clock for oh�at least three months straight�before I had about two whole hours of relief from this pain�and then it started right back up again.

DO YOU GET THIS? Your wife loved you with all of her soul, she entrusted you with her soul, and she is just realizing now that you stomped on her soul.

The reason that she is hurting so much is because she cared so much!

If you really want to help, go yourself and download the latest version of Surviving an Affair, and start reading it this second.

Be sure that your wife eats something, even if it is broth, even if she throws the mug at you, go and get her another mug and help her to eat.

When she brings up hiring a male escort, don't yell or be rude�be LOVING and tell her that you won't do that because you love her. When she asks how you showed your love by cheating, you just stay calm and tell her that you are sickened of yourself and that you want to learn to become the husband that she has deserved all along.

You DID NOT order your wife out of the house after she made that comment about the escort, did you?


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Do have the book Surviving an Affair? If so, then start reading it very carefully and follow every single step. Even if she decides against recovery, you would still be well-served by following all the steps and becoming a better man and husband.

Go ahead and see at attorney and make sure she is very well provided for in the event of a divorce.

If she divorces you and you really want to prove you are changed, then don't date for at least two years. Don't gawk, look at porn, lie, masturbate. Become the kind of man a woman would actually WANT. I assure you that no quality woman wants those things in her man.


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she and I don't have any show downs in front of the kids,so she has been eating ,we both have been having our dinner .
when she kept insisting on a male escort I told her that's not the person she is and that she would feel more miserable ,and then she said if u don't get me the male escort then book me out right now,on which I said ok I will do that.
I have not once asked her to leave ,I have asked her to stay till the 5th and try to see the changes.she had agreed at first but since yesterday she wants to just leave as she hates me.

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Do you have SAA?


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today anything I say is being dissected by her in so many ways .I came clean about the affair MB told me to write down everything and I did .But now she feels why was this not told to her earlier.Well because I didn't want to hurt her with any more details.She claims to know the truth,but now when I am coming clean she starts with scrutiny again only to hurt herself more.
I am in no position to demand anything from her and I probably would never be given the fact that I have destroyed her soul.
However I am trying hard and will keep trying till I get her back.
I want to be polygraphed so we can put this behind us.
I want to go to a attorney and make a iron clad contract so she feels secure.
What I did is a horrible thing and will never do it again.For us to work it out she needs to let me in and see the changes.She has shut herself down to everything but the past.

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SAA?

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Originally Posted by gkumar
SAA?

The book "Surviving an Affair." It can be downloaded from Amazon.

Do you have it?

You need to get the book and start reading it. It has been suggested several times by several posters. I haven't seen a response.

Instead of telling us about the constant arguments you are having with your betrayed wife, why not get the book Surviving an Affair and start reading it?


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she has ordered it ,it should be here today.I will download a copy on line right now.

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can someone please tell me how to download SAA? I tried the website but it only gave me chapter 1. on amazon it says download on kindell,i don't have one.
please help!

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Originally Posted by gkumar
can someone please tell me how to download SAA? I tried the website but it only gave me chapter 1. on amazon it says download on kindell,i don't have one.
please help!
You tried downloading it from what website?


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If you don't have a tablet, you can STILL download the kindle app to your computer, and then read the book there. Here are instructions: How to get the kindle app on your PC

If you happen to have an iPad, you can download a kindle app first, and then download right from amazon onto your "kindle" app.


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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
What are your EPs?

Have you seen this?
What is Just Compensation?
Did you listen to the clips in here? What did you think?


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what does EPs stand for?

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Originally Posted by Prisca
Welcome to Marriage Builders.
If your wife is willing to stay married (and remember, that is her choice), then your marriage CAN recover from this IF you take the necessary steps.

This is what you need to do:
Originally Posted by Dr. Harley, From Surviving an Affair, pg 66-67
The extraordinary precautions do more than end marriage-threatening affairs; they help a couple form the kind of relationship they always wanted.

These recommendations may seem rigid, unnecessarily confining, and even paranoid to those who have not been the victim of infidelity. But people like Sue and Jon, who have suffered unimaginable pain as a result of an affair that spun out of control, can easily see their value. For the inconvenience of following my advice, Sue would have spared herself and Jon the very worst experience of their lives.


Checklist for How Affairs Should End

_____The unfaithful spouse should reveal information about the affair to the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should make a commitment to the betrayed spouse to never see or talk to the lover OP again.

_____The unfaithful spouse should write a letter to the lover OP ending the relationship and send it with the approval of the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should take extraordinary precautions to guarantee total separation from the lover OP:

_____Block potential communication with the lover OP (change e-mail address and home and cell phone numbers, and close all social networking accounts; have voice messages and mail monitored by the betrayed spouse).

_____Account for time (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a twenty-four-hour daily schedule with locations and telephone numbers).

_____Account for money (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a complete account of all money spent).

_____Spend leisure time together.

_____Change jobs and relocate if necessary.

_____Avoid overnight separation.

_____Allow technical accountability.

_____ Expose affair to family members, clergy, and/or friends.

Can you do this?

This post was the 2nd reply to your original post.

It describes EP's, (Extraordinary Precautions), very well, directly quoted from Dr. Harley himself.

Also, along the same lines are:

Affair Proofing your marriage

And

Just Compensation.

I will re-post those quotes that were already posted to you earlier in this thread.

Read Them!!!

Then TAKE THE ACTION STEPS!!!

Time is not on your side.

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Have you READ anything that has been posted here?


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