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Hi! I'm new on this site but would love some advice. My husband lives and works in Rio, Brazil. I found messages on his phone from a girl in Rio. I went mad and the truth came out that he's had a girlfriend there for just under a year. I live in the UK. My question is how do you know if the affair is over? He's sent her a no more contact email. Bearing in mind I have no access now to his phone (he flew back to Rio today). Are there signs I could look for? My instinct is amazing but I need proof. He's not on FB as his company has banned all social media from phones etc. Any ideas would be so appreciated. I have 2 children with him. We only got married in June!
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Welcome to MB.
I am not exactly a vet but I recently caught my wife cheating on me by checking our cell phone bill.
If he uses his personal phone and you have access to his phone bill you can use it to help verify that he is not contacting the OW(other woman). Sadly, you won't be able to tell until the phone company posts the bill though.
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Sadly, I have no access to his phone bill as its a company phone - and the bill is sent to his office in Rio. I have searched everywhere for another phone but failed to find one. Thanks for the welcome.
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Did your husband admit to the affair? your story isn't clear. If he has, and he sent the NC letter, he needs to do everything he can so that you feel safe. This means, he needs to give you his phone records, credit card statements, etc. He should be bending over backwards to make you feel secure. If he says you need to just "get over it" then he's probably still in the affair. Is the OW in Rio? He needs to tell you. Is she connected with his company? How much did he tell you?
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Time for your husband to find a new job on your side of the pond. Give him 30 days to find one, and if he doesn't expose to his boss and HR what is happening.
If he maintains this job and travel schedule--death to many a marriage according to Dr. Willard Harley--you will suffer a great deal of trauma.
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Hi! I'm new on this site but would love some advice. My husband lives and works in Rio, Brazil. I found messages on his phone from a girl in Rio. I went mad and the truth came out that he's had a girlfriend there for just under a year. I live in the UK. We only got married in June! The solution is to never spend the night apart again. However, if I were you, I would end the marriage and cut your losses. This is a very new marriage and your H has cheated the entire time. There is nothing here to save.
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The marriage is over anyway if he continues to travel.
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trying to cut long story short. we've been together for 11 years. His very evil ex wife (another Brazilian) used the Brazilian divorce system to wait until she got a Portuguese passport (husband is half British, half Portuguese). Finally divorce came through in Dec. he told me to book the registry office. We got married in June. He is working in Brazil as he couldn't get a job here. That was 4 years ago since he started working there. I was a hopeless 'girlfriend' and I admit I took him for granted. After 3 years of lonely weekends sitting at home on his own in Rio he met this girl and his affair started. I found out last week when looking through his phone. He's making all the right noises about getting us back on track and he sent her the NC email and I failed to find anymore stuff from her. He left me his phone for hours on end. Failed to find another phone. Have told him he has to leave Brazil and get a job here. He says he will look for another job. His problem is that his company has given him a large share deal which comes into fruition in 2 years. Either he waits for that or he finds a company that can offer similar deal. There are no other internal jobs yet, but maybe one will come along? Anyway, my worry is that he'll keep seeing the OW - what signs to I look out for.
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trying to cut long story short. we've been together for 11 years. His very evil ex wife (another Brazilian) used the Brazilian divorce system to wait until she got a Portuguese passport (husband is half British, half Portuguese). Finally divorce came through in Dec. I see your relationship began as an affair so you already knew he was a cheater. His affair with this woman is something you signed on for. Since you knew he was a cheater, this shouldn't be a surprise to you. I would suggest you just accept the consequences of your actions. If you marry a cheater, he will cheat. That is not rocket science.
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trying to cut long story short. we've been together for 11 years. His very evil ex wife (another Brazilian) used the Brazilian divorce system to wait until she got a Portuguese passport (husband is half British, half Portuguese). Finally divorce came through in Dec. I see your relationship began as an affair so you already knew he was a cheater. His affair with this woman is something you signed on for. Since you knew he was a cheater, this shouldn't be a surprise to you. I would suggest you just accept the consequences of your actions. If you marry a cheater, he will cheat. That is not rocket science. I agree with you Melody but, you seem to imply that there is no hope, once a cheater always a cheater. Drug addicts can recover, why not cheaters? These two have children. If WH is really willing to work to save his children's family and this BW is willing to work toward creating a loving marriage, there must be some way they can be successful. I believe that the children's family is the absolute most important thing. Regardless of the pain an affair causes to either spouse, they can change their lives to do what is best for their kids. He will have to make extremely drastic changes in order to save his children's family, and you might have to as well. If one of you has to give up a great job, so be it. You have to be together in order to make a great marriage and a great family. It will come down to you and your WH's priorities, are your children on top of the list? I hope I am not out of line here but I would do anything for my kids and I think most of the people on MB feel the same way.
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Let me get this straight. You had two children while your husband was married to Brazilian woman. Your husband divorced earlier this year and married you in June. Now your husband is having an affair with another Brazilian woman?
If this is the case and now that you are feeling the deep pain of being betrayed, this is a great site to learn about marriage both in general and the specifics.
Just to begin, both you and your husband would need to have complete transparency, EP's and he'd need to get a job in the UK immediately.
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We didn't have an affair. I met him after he split up from his ex wife and we were just friends for 6 months before anything happened. I was heartbroken from a previous relationship so we supported each other. Saying that though, he did cheat with 2 other people whilst with her (ex wife) and he has cheated with every other girlfriend so I was waiting for it to be my turn. If you think about it, he's not only cheated on me this time, but he's also cheated on this new lover as he and I have been having the best sex ever.
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It sounds like he was so-called mentally 'done' with his former marriage but not legally divorced when you began your relationship.
From your description it sounds like you have a serial cheater.
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From your description it sounds like you have a serial cheater. Do you understand what that means GG? It means that, if you decide to save your marriage you are going to have to go to extraordinary lengths to protect it. Not just the normal 'no nights apart' and total transparency but you would have to monitor him every minute of every single day. How do you feel about making that your life? Serial cheaters do not have accidental affairs the way most of us do. They seek out affairs. Multiple relationships are a life style for them. I'm betting your husband deliberately arranged things so that you would live in different countries to make this easier for him. Expect to find that you were never his only girlfriend. There may be more than one now. This rabbit hole could be very deep.
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This doesn't sound like the man I'd want to have as a husband or the father of my children. Men can move mountains for the love of their life. Being apart from you (in Brazil) would be killing him and he should feel like he is missing his arm. Does he feel this way? That's your answer.
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[q I agree with you Melody but, you seem to imply that there is no hope, once a cheater always a cheater. Drug addicts can recover, why not cheaters? These two have children. If WH is really willing to work to save his children's family and this BW is willing to work toward creating a loving marriage, there must be some way they can be successful. First off, cheaters do reform. But this relationship IS an affair so he has not reformed. Dr Harley has tried to save what we call "affairages" for years to no avail. She is not a betrayed wife, since she has volunteered to be in an affair herself.
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We didn't have an affair. I met him after he split up from his ex wife and we were just friends for 6 months before anything happened. An affair is when a *married* person has a relationship with someone other than his or her spouse. By 'split up' I assume you mean separated, which means he was still married and not divorced, which would make his relationship with you an affair. When he was married to his first wife, was he living in Brazil and you in the UK? It would have been VERY easy for him to lie to you about the true nature of his relationship with his wife, keeping her in one country and you in another as his side item. Now he is doing the same with you, only you are the wife and someone else is the side item!
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We didn't have an affair. I met him after he split up from his ex wife and we were just friends for 6 months before anything happened. I was heartbroken from a previous relationship so we supported each other. Saying that though, he did cheat with 2 other people whilst with her (ex wife) and he has cheated with every other girlfriend so I was waiting for it to be my turn. If you think about it, he's not only cheated on me this time, but he's also cheated on this new lover as he and I have been having the best sex ever. Yes, you had an affair. Dr Harley calls them "affairages." So you knew before you got married this was an acceptable lifestyle. Here are Dr. Harley's comments about affairages: I've read through your original question and the responses you've received, and almost to a responder, they are warning you about what happens to relationship that originated as an affair. I have counseled hundreds of these couples and am presently counseling couples that married after an affair, and I can tell you from first-hand experience, and their own unsolicited comments, that if they had put the same effort into their marriages, they would be happily married to their original spouses today.
While it's true that there are happy marriages that start as affairs, they are in the minority. Only about 5% of all affairs end in marriage, and only about 1/3 of those marriages survive the first five years. You probably have one chance in 100 of turning this marriage into a successful relationship, and you're off to a terrible start in spite of your love and commitment.
I have a theory about why marriage after an affair is so unsuccessful, but the fact that they're unsuccessful is well documented. My main contention is that for whatever reasons, those who have affairs tend not to follow one of my cardinal principles for marriage: The Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). They tend to do what they please without considering each other's feelings. While that may not apply to both members of the relationship, it almost always applies to at least one of them. Your friend's affair with another man in the beginning your your relationship is evidence that she's not thinking about your interests.
I try very hard to keep these marriages together, in spite of the fact that there is such a low probability of success. If I thought I would fail, I wouldn't be wasting my time. And yet, I have had very little success. I keep thinking that I will eventually find a way to succeed.
There are so many obsticles to overcome. In addition to failure to follow the POJA, there is also a marked failure to follow the Policy of Radical Honesty. They tend to be incredibly dishonest, in spite of the fact that they start out thinking they can look right into each other's very souls.
But there is one other issue that is terribly relevant to your situation: Blended families. I read a research report recently that claimed that only 15% of all marriages with children from another relationship survive for 25 years (on average about 50% of all marriages survive for 25 years). Again, from my perspective, the culprit is failure to follow the POJA. Instead of making joint decisions regarding the children, unilateral decisions are made. This ultimately leads to fights and constant turmoil. After the children are grown, however, the conflict does not end. In many cases, advantages continue to be given to children by the natural parent at the expense of the step-parent.
I'm sure that your counselor has been encouraging your wife to negotiate with you so that you can reach a joint agreements regarding her children, but to no avail. And I've experienced the same thing. In spite of a blended family couple's willingness to follow the POJA when I talk to them, when it comes to a decision that will affect the welfare of their children, the commitment is broken.
The advice you have been receiving on the Forum focuses attention on your affair. I've written quite a bit on that topic, and many of the responders have read it. In general, I warn people to avoid an affair because if the very same problems you are facing. And if a vast amount of research and my own professional experience can be trusted, it happens to 99% of those who try to make an affair last.
While it's very unlikely that you will follow my advice because you're in love with "Jane," leaving this relationship, and restoring your relationship with your first wife is the wisest choice. But if you want to know how you can be the 1% that thrives in spite of the obsticles you face, my advice is that you both learn to follow the POJA with every decision you make, including those with the children. If those decisions are made with mutual care, you may be able to figure out how to make the rest of your relationship work.
Best wishes Willard F. Harley, Jr. here
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My question is how do you know if the affair is over? He's sent her a no more contact email. Bearing in mind I have no access now to his phone (he flew back to Rio today). Are there signs I could look for? My instinct is amazing but I need proof. The affair is not over. Why would it be? He is in another country with free reign to do whatever he wants to. He has a phone that you have no access to, and all the ability in the world to meet up with his gf without your knowledge. The signs you can look for are that 1) he cheated on his first wife with you and 2) he is cheating on you with someone else. And according to you, he had more A's in his first marriage than just you, and has cheated on every relationship he has had. There is so much signage here it is like being in times square on New Years Eve.
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