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This is an enlightening thread. My WXW was a serial cheater by definition, with at least one PA and several EAs. I did not know about MB at the time and did not expose properly, instead counted on the fact that I confronted her that she would stop.
She was one of those people who was never happy, but if she got that new kitten/puppy/baby/bigger house/worked less hours/etc. she would then be happy. The new thing never made her happy though, and she was left wanting.
WXW has been in a LTR with a man that I suspect was an OM. They worked together during the period that I caught her communicating with multiple people on yahoo chat. My DD comes home and tells me about how WXW complains about her boyfriend, plans on kicking him out, and hides her phone and computer from everyone.
With her, she was never willing to put much effort into the relationship. We both missed the boat with meeting ENs, lots of LBs, etc., but with her she was able to get all this attention from OMs because it was easier than working at a marriage.
Me DH33 Her DW33 DS3
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Question, How many d days are needed before it is considered serial cheating? In my case, my wife was with 3 OM before I found out. 2 of them were one night stands, the other was 1 guy that lasted over a year. There was only 1 d day, and as best I can tell she stopped everything and is 100 percent devoted to me. So would she be considered a serial cheater?
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Yes, she is a serial cheater.
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She is a serial cheater if there has been more than one affair. ONS's count as affairs.
You don't need serial D-Days for her to be a serial cheater.
The reason for the distinction between singular and serial cheaters is that serial cheaters have different MO's. They are often addicted to having affairs, not just to the one AP.
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Question, How many d days are needed before it is considered serial cheating? It isn't the number of Ddays; it is the number of APs that defines serial cheating. A serial cheater has two or more APs. ML answered your second question; your spouse is a serial cheater.
me-65 wife-61 married for 40 years DS - 38, autistic, lives at home DD - 37, married and on her own DS - 32, still living with us
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There was another recent poster whose WW was trying to sweep the ONSs under the rug with excuses. That poster was trying to reduce the number of affairs bc of this.
Make no mistake...your WW had FOUR affairs.
These ONS are an indication of a person with serious SSL and a desire to have needs met outside the marriage vs an oops I fell in love with my coworker type of thing.
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GM,
Dr Harley during one of his radio shows talked about intentional vs unintentional affairs. An unintentional affair occurs when you are around someone for a long time and you bond, but you didn't start out wanting a relationship. Your WW intended to have an affair, actively went after these OM, which means she is more likely a serial cheater.
What do you know of her history in Brazil?
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Your WW intended to have an affair, actively went after these OM, which means she is more likely a serial cheater. She had four affairs. She IS a serial cheater.
me-65 wife-61 married for 40 years DS - 38, autistic, lives at home DD - 37, married and on her own DS - 32, still living with us
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There was another recent poster whose WW was trying to sweep the ONSs under the rug with excuses. That poster was trying to reduce the number of affairs bc of this.
Make no mistake...your WW had FOUR affairs.
These ONS are an indication of a person with serious SSL and a desire to have needs met outside the marriage vs an oops I fell in love with my coworker type of thing. Actually she had 3 affairs. Maybe I mis posted earlier. Anyway, we are trying to R. I get mixed signals and statements from her on the responsibility thing. I know I contributed greatly to the factors that led to the affair, but I take zero responsibility for the affairs. We had a great vacation together, we had a great time together. (Vacation ended about 3 days ago) Thank you all for your help.
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That is good, sisko. Glad that you had a great vacay.
I would advise you to keep posting. This is a particularly vulnerable time for you!
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GM,
Dr Harley during one of his radio shows talked about intentional vs unintentional affairs. An unintentional affair occurs when you are around someone for a long time and you bond, but you didn't start out wanting a relationship. Your WW intended to have an affair, actively went after these OM, which means she is more likely a serial cheater.
What do you know of her history in Brazil?
God Bless Gamma I Married her when she was 18. (Had to go to Brazil to marry her) we have been married 11 years in December. She was a virgin when we got married.
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That is good, sisko. Glad that you had a great vacay.
I would advise you to keep posting. This is a particularly vulnerable time for you! More true words have never been spoken. Tonight I came home early from work, partly because I still feel uneasy when I am at work. (I work overnights) I found the house just the way it is supposed to be. (My 4 year old asleep wife about to fall asleep. No signs of any type of cheating since d day. (I am watching like a hawk. I had a mostly nice conversation with my wife. I know I contributed to the conditions before the affair, however, I believe my wife is not fair with the way she describes the way things were. I mean I know I had some huge faults that contributed, but she makes it seem a lot worse when she describes it. One of my faults was I was into pornography for years until 2012, she found out and I stopped it 100 percent. About 4 months later her affairs started. She tries to point the finger at this, and that makes me angry, because I never touched another woman while we were married. Anyway, I asked her if I have been more good than bad throught our marriage, and she said yes. Then I said that I wish she thought of this before giving herself to other men and she said she wishes I thought of her good before I wanted other women. (Like she is rationalizing) The best answer from her should have been,..... I know, you are right, I am very sorry. Part of me wants to just leave when I get so angry, but my 4 year old can tell I am about to leave and he asks me to stay. Granted, I don't know how long I could stay away, I love my wife and my son, but I want my wife to understand the gravity of the situation. My wife is a bitter person, if someone hurts her, she has to hurt them worse. I don't know how to make this stop.
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Sisko;
You can only work on YOUR behaviour. You cannot control your wife's behaviour. If you are having angry outbursts (AO's), and it sounds like you are, then you must eliminate them.
Imagine how much better your life will be without another angry outburst. Ever. Consider what a wonderful model you will be for your child when you show that you can solve conflicts with your intellect, not your emotions. And you will be a better partner to your wife.
Me: BW, 57 fWH: 63 (Taffy1) Serial cheater Presently on the Recovery Road, in the Online program.
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The Ashley Madison website has been in the news; Cheryl asks whether a marriage can survive after using an adultery website. Is there a way to prevent one's spouse from using a website such as Ashley Madison to start an affair? Radio Clip
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Jessica writes about the rate of infidelity. Dr. Harley has an answer but others disagree, and Jessica is looking for evidence to back up the numbers of marriages he states have been affected by infidelity. Radio Clip
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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Dr. Harley has a new article on the website about when and if you should grab and grope your wife. He is also working on a new article about serial cheaters and whether they can be helped. Radio Clip
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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