Better, thanks for asking.<P>Hey ... there are lots of Professional Musicians that are proud to write and talk about their wives and family. And if I'm not mistaken, Tim McGraw is one of them. <P>Jo

Oh well, he finally mentioned it. He said if you go back and look at their archives before they were "Big" Stars you will find that the bios didn't mention they were married. Of course, Tim McGraw wasn't married as far as I know. I'm going to try to look on Alan Jackson though. Hopefully, I can prove him right for once instead of wrong--LOL! Sorry it took me so long to respond--was reading the post on Morals and Character--found it very interesting. Also your posts were very enlightening.

Ummm, Famous .. Not Famous, why would it make a difference?<P>Am I reading this right, that as struggling artists, if they don't disclose they are married, it is more attractive to the fans?<P>Did I interpret that right, Anna?<P>Jo

That's the way I interpret it, but not his reasonings. His reasonings are: clubs are afraid you won't travel since you are married and have children; record companies can screw you since they know you need the money; and yes, you are selling a product - yourself. Comes off to me as being a prostitute-LOL! Whatcha think? About his reasons?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dumplin:<BR>That's the way I interpret it, but not his reasonings. His reasonings are: <B>clubs are afraid you won't travel since you are married and have children; record companies can screw you since they know you need the money;</B> and yes, you are selling a product - yourself. Comes off to me as being a prostitute-LOL! Whatcha think? About his reasons?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Boy, I dunno. His reasons do sound quite logical and legit, Anna ... I just never thought of it like that.<P>My thoughts were that you are more marketable if single because you'd have a larger Fan base thus more sales ($$$).<P>But if you put his reasons and my reasons all together, I think they are all valid. <P>I've seen so many shallow stupid movies regarding a potential Rising Star being asked by the "ACME SIGNING COMPANY" to keep their marriage or GF or relationship, even their sexual orientation secret, for fear it would squelch their chances at Stardom. A sell-your-soul type of thinking.<P>Jo<p>[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Resilient ]

Doh! Boo boo ... sorry!<p>[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Resilient ]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resilient:<BR><STRONG>Ummm, Famous .. Not Famous, why would it make a difference?<P>Am I reading this right, that as struggling artists, if they don't disclose they are married, it is more attractive to the fans?<P>Jo</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That was the BS exBF tried to lay on me all the time. We had a knockdown drag out once over a party he was going to. It was a party where there were going to be real live rock stars, so I wanted to go. He said no. The reason - "Sleazebag Guitar Player and I are going there to promote the band, and it just isn't real cool to have your girlfriend with you." In other words, it atracts more sleazy chicks to the shows if they think we are single (like it matters). Besides, no one was going to notice them anyway because actual FAMOUS people were going to be there lol.<BR> Anotehr time I came home from work and our female roommate told me "Mr. Rock n Roll walked out of here lying his a** off tonight. He told me he was going to a party at the recording studio, so I asked if you and I could come after you got home. He started stammering about how the party was being given by some other band and he wasn't allowed to bring anyone." We later found out that he went ot a going away party for some hobag stripper who used to have group sex with the guitar player and the bass player.

Good Lord!!!! <P>Well, I could tell you stories, Fairydust. Ohhhh, I could tell you stories.<P>Years ago .... this one "female person", OMG ... she was unbelievable. My H told me she'd go out to this small shed outside the bar and "DO" the bass player and the keyboard player (neither of who were married). They called the shed the "Bunny Hutch". My H told me one time she went out there with the both of them and then 15 mins later came back in ... with her dress stuck up in her panty hose ... LMAO! Nice girlie ...yeah? Can you imagine how proud her mom and dad must be of her???<P>Jo<p>[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Resilient ]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><BR>Years ago .... this one "female person", OMG ... she was unbelievable. My H told me she'd go out to this small shed outside the bar and "DO" the bass player and the keyboard player (neither of who were married). They called the shed the "Bunny Hutch". <P>Jo[/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The particualr stripper I metioned had done most of the guys on the local midwest scene where we lived. One night I was making fun of her and exBF got mad and started saying what a nice girl she was blah blah. Afew minutes later one of the guys walked up (this was in a completely different band than the one I mentioned before) and said "Look there's Hobag..." then started relating a story about how him and several other guys "freight trained" her in the bathroom at party last week, but now she is mad at him because she caught him having sex in the car later that same night with one of her stripper friends. Such a "nice girl." Then this chick showed up in LA and had been living down the street from us for 3 months, and he knew about it and "forgot to mention it". After the goign away party incident I mentioned her in front of the band and one of the guys said "I probably should have used a condom the last time I had sex with her, she's pretty gross and probably has AIDS." But she was a "nice girl" lol.

Fairydust ... who are these people? Where did they come from and how were they raised? I just don't get it.<P>And you know what .. just look at us, we're appalled and making fun of them, but they wouldn't have any one to "freight train" (OMG what a term) with, if these musicians would turn them down. What TOTAL SLEAZBAGS! All of them!<P>Ughhhh!<P>Jo

<<< <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resilient:<BR><STRONG>Fairydust ... who are these people? Where did they come from and how were they raised? I just don't get it<P>And you know what .. just look at us, we're appalled and making fun of them, but they wouldn't have any one to "freight train" (OMG what a term) with, if these musicians would turn them down. What TOTAL SLEAZBAGS! All of them!<P>Ughhhh!<P>Jo</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I was very close friends with a guy in exBF's one band, he was my spy lol. He was actually a nice guy, single and only very rarely partook of groupies (and was ashamed of it when he did). He wanted a girlfriend who had never seen or heard of the band. Anyway, one night the hos were out in full force, as well as afew of those weird guy groupies who would do anything just to hang out with the band guys. We were making fun of them and he looked at me and said "My Dad has gone his entire life never meeting freakazoid people like this. We met tons of them every night." So true. I just got to a point where I couldn't live that life anymore.

I know what you mean ... I don't know how my H kept playing in bars avg 4 outta 7 nights every week for years upon years. It must have weighed on him ... so depressing.<P>I know what you mean about those "groupie guys" that hung out. We always had a few of those. Most of them were scammers, looking for a free ride, needing a place to stay, following the band members around being their slaves.<P>They reminded me of that cartoon of those two dogs, ones a big tough Bulldog and the other a little yapper, with the yapper following the Bulldog around jumping up and down asking "what we gonna do now Rocko, huh huh huh, what we gonna do now" lol<P>Thanks for the memories, Fairydust. LMAO [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img]<P>Jo<p>[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: Resilient ]

The way you guys talk, maybe it's better that I don't go to the shows-LOL! I'm so sarcastic I probably would laugh in one of their faces. The way you talk though they wouldn't get it anyway. That disgusts me. I've been friends with many musicians in my life and been to alot of concerts. Yes, I was in awe of Sebastian Bach (lead singer of Skid Row) when I was a teenager, but when I found out he was with his "life mate" and had a child with her, I got over my teenage fantasy. I still loved the group and their music, but he was off-limits. Why don't people get that? Of course, I found a letter wrote to my husband by some girl at a show (don't know if it was another A or not) talking about his ex-wife. I'm the only wife he's ever had and we've never been divorced. It made me sick. That was last year. I'm still trying to read the post about character trying to see if my H fits in this group of people. I'm so confused--I don't even know what to think anymore. Are there other OW out there that I don't know about and probably never will? Or was it another of the fantasy women like the ones on the internet? Ones he talked with and flirted with, but never had any relationship with. I just don't know anything anymore it seems.

<<Originally posted by dumplin:<BR>[QB]The way you guys talk, maybe it's better that I don't go to the shows-LOL! I'm so sarcastic I probably would laugh in one of their faces. The way you talk though they wouldn't get it anyway.>>><P>No they totally don't get it. I have made fun of them right to their faces and they have no clue that you are doing it. <P><< Yes, I was in awe of Sebastian Bach (lead singer of Skid Row) when I was a teenager, but when I found out he was with his "life mate" and had a child with her, I got over my teenage fantasy.>>><P>I remember Sebastian Bach. I've heard from people who know him that he was (probably still is) a total sleazebag, big time cheater. What cracks me up is that when Skid Row was big Sebastian Bach was supposedly 5 years yonger than me. Now he's on Broadway and he is suddenly my age lol.<P><<< Why don't people get that?>><P>They just don't care, at all. Even better if they can take the guy away from another girl.<P>I'm going to give you ladies a website address if you really want to see what goes on in the heads of groupies:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.metal-sludge.com/HoBag12-24-00.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.metal-sludge.com/HoBag12-24-00.htm</A> <P>Warning, it is quite graphic.<p>[ October 22, 2001: Message edited by: fairydust ]

I'm sorry but everytime I see that name HOBAG I start laughing. I started to look at that website and got disgusted and closed it. What the heck is wrong with people?

How many of you have or know of someone who has been with a musician and was cheating on their spouse while they were out working on the road? Please be honest because I would like to know.

I have a couple times, Anna.<P>My H was playing with this singer (40 watt success) and he constantly cheated on his wife with a specific groupie.<P>I asked my H about it and he said the singer and his wife had an "understanding". Then I had a convo with the groupie and she said that his wife didn't know anything about her and that he was really unhappily married and had to stay in the marriage because of their son. But promised to eventually D his W and marry her. She even had an engagement ring.<P>Then I finally met the wife ... she was wonderful, really very sweet person. And I saw the singer and his wife together, they acted like the normal happy couple.<P>Every time my H went on the road with this singer, the groupie would show and stay with him. I was disgusted with him. Just looking at him made me sick to my stomache.<P>Eventually I asked my H to stop playing with him, that he was a cheater and a liar. My H did quit, but only because he had an offer on the table he wanted that was better.<P>Anna, don't think just because this guy did it, means your H is too. <P>Jo

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dumplin:<BR><STRONG>How many of you have or know of someone who has been with a musician and was cheating on their spouse while they were out working on the road? Please be honest because I would like to know.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>I have to be honest and say almost all of them did it. I've only known ONE musician who never cheated on his wife and didn't want to. Many of the wives "sort of" knew it went on, some of them had no clue. One guy specifically married a strict Mormon girl because he knew she would never come to any shows and bust him. I dragged my butt out to almost every show because I knew Mr. Rock n Roll would cheat in a heartbeat if I let my guard down. When they were on the road I always had a trusted spy. Lots of work being the warden and totally emotionally and physically draining. Some of the guys were "good" when they were in a new relationship but that wore off.<BR> A friend of mine went on the road with the band her H managed. The singer was married to an absolutely gorgeous girl. Supermodel material. He had a different skank in every town. The bass player was a newlywed and I guess just as bad. Another friend made clothes for bands (actual famous bands). Her address book would have the band member's home phone, then often his NYC girlfriend's number, Chicago girlfriend's number etc. Those were the regular girls, there were always extras picked up along the way. Cheating was definitely the rule, and there were very few exceptions. I hate to be a downer but I have to be honest about what I experienced/saw, that's why I got out. I was also very involved in the whole scene for awhile so I got a good look at the seamy underbelly. Yuck.

I don't think I made my question clear enough. I was meaning the spouses that were left home cheating on their musician spouse-like the wife left at home having an affair while musician husband was on the road. How many times have you heard of that happening?

Anna,<P>Unfortunetly there were more. But, this one in particular stood out in my mind because I got to know the wife and became pretty good friends with her.<P>Love,<BR>Jo