here, here, committed! Here is an article about the "heroic" Sheryl Crow that you might enjoy:

Idiocy of the week
Sheryl Crow, brain-dead peacenik in sequins.

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By Andrew Sullivan

Jan. 15, 2003 | Doesn't it sometimes get a tad bit embarrassing being on the left these days? I'm not talking about legitimate left-liberal beliefs -- that income inequality is wrong, that corporations are evil, that governments are better judges than individuals about what's good for the world, etc. I'm talking about the way in which otherwise legitimate left-wing causes tend to get embraced by, well, the intellectually challenged.

I mean actors and celebrities and pop stars and others not exactly known for being the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree -- almost all of whom seem to drift into the camp of the knee-jerk left. I mean people like Barbra Streisand, who doesn't know the difference between Iraq and Iran, and who at this point must have done more to discredit Hollywood liberals than an entire bookshelf of National Reviews. I mean Sean Penn, another man who just helped Bush win more support for war. I mean, well, Sheryl Crow.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/sullivan/2003/01/15/crow/

Isn't it a little problematic for Hussein to be using bombs that he has vowed he a) doesn't have and/or b) has destroyed?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Isn't it a little problematic for Hussein to be using bombs that he has vowed he a) doesn't have and/or b) has destroyed?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Lor,

IMHO that might be the only way to get people to actually understand why it is necessary to do what the United States is doing. Isn't it sad that it might take that? I pray for all those that have to be exposed to such things just to get the rest of the world to see. Their lives are certainly at risk.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

committed

Adding a few more thoughts...

I think the reason that the United States is the power that is taking action, is because we are the only country brave enough to do it. I applaud Great Britain for providing troops too. ( I think that Australia might be also). They could not have done it on their own, so once the United States committed to it...they have our back. I firmly believe in the statement that "All it takes for evil to win, is for good men to do nothing". As long as people cower under, it will continue. When Saddam was given 48 hours to leave...he should have put in a call to the President of France! He could have asked them to put him up <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> . I would love to see some big banners proclaiming...

"Saddam...Move to France! "

Now, do you really think that France wants him moving in with them? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> You think they want him bedding down there for the night?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
Of Course Not...they don't want him in their country. (I know a quaint little inn in Paris.. ParkDeChamps DuMars that serves breakfast in bed that he might like. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> )They think that if they choose to do NOTHING it will be alright. Doing nothing enables Saddam. What do they think is going to happen to end his reign? Spontaneous Combustion?? I don't think so. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

The National Athem says it all in the very last sentence...

"O'er the Land of the Free, and the Home of The Brave"...even when Francis Scott Key was writing it, he knew what he was talking about.

committed

<small>[ March 21, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: committedandlovingit ]</small>

I may start a heated debate here among my fellow Canadians, but I am one of the Canadians who thinks were should all be fighting together to secure our freedom and security from terrorism.

I support what the US is doing and wish that we were playing an active part.

Thanks to all the US men and women who are going out into harm's way.

Thanks Eleanor. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Wow, I didn't mean to stir up the proberbial hornets nest, but thanks for the responses everyone. I am sorry if the speech offended you Dinotopia, but I find it offensive that these hollywood celebrities have forgotten their roles and see themeselves as representing the Amreican people. Tim Robbins said in a recent interview that it was his honor to represent the American people. EXCUSE ME!!! I don't remember voting for him, in fact, I don't even remember him running for office. The best words I have heard come from a celebrity's mouth recently were the words of James Woods, who when asked said, "I'm an entertainer, not a polotician, my opinion doesn't really matter.". BTW, he is in full support of the president but you don't see him going around touting his opinions off. As for the anti-war movement, there are approximately 50,000 Iraqi's living in America today. Most have fled Iraq in fear of persecution. I find it interesting that with all the people protesting around the country against the war, not a SINGLE one of them is Iraqi born. We are in Iraq to rid the country of Sadam. Not kill the Iraqi people. I was ammused to see the first 36 missles of the war were fired directly into Sadam's palace in Bahgdad. Consider this analogy. Why did we enter WWII? Most would answer because of the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour. And they would be right (check out www.history.net for the timeline). Why then did we join the war in Europe? Germany hadn't attacked us. Two reasons, a: FDR (a democrat BTW) realized that Germany DID pose a clear and present danger to the U.S., even if not in the immediate future. b: and most importantly..IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Adolf Hitler was monster of a dictator, as is Sadam. It is the right thing to do. Noboby wants war, but sometimes it cannot be helped. I find it interesting that not one soldier interviewed, even with the media as liberal as it is, has given a view against the Bush administration. Just a thought or two.

MTD

BTW, sometimes peace is only another word for surrender. Ask the French, who would be speaking German if not for us.

Just heard a little while ago story about a group of U.S. forces ambushed in an Iraqi city. The survivors appear to have been interrogated and executed.

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=REUTERS/Iraqi+TV&c=news_photos

This link tells some of the story and a few pictures. Warning, some of them are quite graphic.

MTD

I thought Dino might appreciate what those anti-war human shields are saying now:

"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r

Killing prisoners is against the Geneva Convention, if this is true, then Iraq now has war criminals.

You'd think Hussein would try to bolster the support he has had with the French, Germans, Russians rather than have his troups commit more heinous acts which no one can support.

ugh melody,

If that particular human sheild, did not realise the brutality of Husseins regrime before she went in then , all I can say is how daft is s/he?

Hussein is a monster, there is a few of them around. ...the SOB should have been knocked off yrs ago... and I do believe it could have been done if sanctions had been lifted in Iraq as to not descimate the upper and lower classes of the Iraqi society. But as said in the thread in emotional needs..there is no point dissecting that now the war has begun.

Shock and Awe is one huge military exercise and the military aswell as civilian casualities are going to be massive , let alone the humanitarian disaster that will follow.

You have unrest is some of the most unstable governments in world right now,all I can say is hold onto your hats. Look at nth korea, I suspect like many of us right now is that they are on the next hit list..do you really think that they will allow a military build up anywhere near them without striking first?...like sth? I don't.

The picture of those US POW's this morning as I arose made me sick..this is war and its going to get a lot worse than that, for both sides.

and yeah I do agree with you MTD as to germany and Italy being a clear threat to the US , as they did after all declare war on the US on December 11 1941.

<small>[ March 23, 2003, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: dinotopia ]</small>

Unfortunately we are not dealing with people who play by the rules. If so, we wouldn't be over there in the first place.

The most positive thing that will come out of this (Iraq taking and possibly killing POW's) is that the rest of the world will see what "we" have been trying to tell them all along...just what kind of regime is in power in Iraq.

Just for the record, I am saddened that we had to go to war but not because I think our leaders made a bad decision or that they didn't try everything they could to avoid it. I just didn't want it to come to that. But, I completely trust that our leaders know what they are talking about and that they have all the info they need to make the decisions they have made to go in and take out the Iraqi regime. It is a sad time and after a day like we had today over there it is not going to be easy.

God Bless our troops...we have what we have because of all of them...Past, Present and Future. Thanks!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by dinotopia:
<strong>ugh melody,

If that particular human sheild, did not realise the brutality of Husseins regrime before she went in then , all I can say is how daft is s/he?

.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which was my point all along. How stupid can you be to go in and "shield" the Iraqis from their liberators instead of the monsters who are holding them hostage? At least they had the courage to admit they were siding with the wrong side.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

<small>[ March 23, 2003, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: MelodyLane ]</small>

I was going to put up a link for the story about the human shields, but it looks like someone beat me to it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> . S'ok though, glad to see someone else is actually doing homework rather than take what they see in the media as the whole story. Here's the link anyway.

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030323-9543832.htm

And by the way, Dino, yes they declared war on us, AFTER FDR announced his intention to intervene in the war in Europe also. And yes, NK should be next on our list. BTW, we already have a significant buildup of troops there, about 25-30,000 troops along the border in the DMZ.

MTD