How do I say this without getting slammed. I know I will be.

I believe in God, I believe in morality. The bible, to me is a book of historical stories, which may or may not be accurate. You have to keep in mind these stories came from a day before paper and pen. They were passed down from generation to generation. When this happens, translation changes. From one language to another, translation changes. How much of the bible is truly Gods word and how much of it is man's interpretation.

I can remember when I first started questioning this. I was still in grade school, and after sunday school, at home, I started asking my parents differnt stuff. You see, what they said in church, did not make sense to me. Here I was a child, questioning things. My MIL, would say satan was at work. I don't believe that. My MIL is a fanatic who hangs on the word of the church as an absolute. And as we know from the news, the church has shown they have been less than God like in their dealings of specific issues.

When I hear quotes from the Bible as God's word, I question, is it God's word or man's interpretation or man trying to manipulate things using God as a tool. Has the interpretation been changed over time or is it the same.

One day, I was in a store, looking for a new bible, the one I was given as a child, is gone. I think it was ruined in a basement flooding. I had things packed and stored for when we moved. Anyway, as I compared bibles (they are nothing like from the days when I got mine) It was all so confusing. I noticed that depending upon the bible, the interpretation, was sometimes different. Almost the same with a different twist.

So, is homosexuality a sin? I don't know, I will not pretend to know. Only God knows for sure, and only God can stand in judgement. Not you, or I.

If one of my children as a grown man or woman come to me and say they are Gay, will I accept them. Yes, because they are my child and I love them. I will accept their choices in life, even if I do not agree with them. Because I love them. I will do my best to raise them to use good judgement, but in the end the choices they make are theirs. They have to live with the results.

If a Gay/Lesbian was teaching my child, would I have an issue with it? Not really. My reasoning here is, they should not be discussing their sexual preferances with my child. I'd have this issue if the teacher was heterosexual. Their job is to teach the subject they were hired to teach. Not discuss sex issues, unless they are teach Health, or sex ed. Then they better be teaching facts, not personal preferances.

(Personally, I think it is yucky and it makes me uncomfortable.). I worked with a Gay man, a very pleasant man. It took a while to adjust to him discussing relationship issues that I would discuss with my friends. He had the same issues and concerns that heterosexuals do. It was odd to hear him talk about a man and wondering if he is cheating on him, if he is mad at him. That stuff. Very weird.

I have struggled with codependency all my life. Am I wired to be that way or was I programmed? It doesn't matter. I have spent much time and effort to undo this "tendency" cause it is not healthy and the best way to live. It is not what God wants for me cause it is harmful. I have succeeded in overcoming my deep desire to own other people's feelings and not know my own and live for others.

Most homoexuality is not monogamous and healthy. There is nothing healthy or hearwarming to me about homosexuality. And there is a major agenda in the gay community to "program" our children to experiment with this lifestyle choice. There are curriculums being taught in public school that embrace and indoctrinate our children into the gay lifestyle.

Why doesn't marriage work today??? There are a million alternatives and no committment to love til death. The slippery slope brings us to many alternatives: bisexuality, homosexuality, infidelity, beastality, etc. (all perversions of what God intended) God truly made us sexual beings and we will always have a need to satisfy our sexual urges. I believe that is why God instituted marriage so that we would have a safe, healthy place to satisfy and enjoy this part of us.

BTW---I know a lot of very happily married heterosexuals who don't have to go outside their M vows or indulge in perversion to be happy. The dynamics of M works---it the people in it that don't.

To the poster who feels the Bible is a watered-down million year old translation, I suggest you read EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT by Josh MacDowell. The authenticity and historicity of the Bible proves it is from GOD and all is inspired by HIM to help us know right from wrong. It's principles have not failed billions of people over thousands of years.......and these principles have not failed me yet if I live by them. Besides, I cannot see how Romans 1:18-32 can mean anything other then what it says.

Isn't it great that we live in a country where we stand up for what we believe> We will surely not solve this question here or anywhere soon for that matter.

TW

Wow - big topic here. All I can say is "Love your neighbour as you would love yourself".

I have many gay friends. I honestly couldn't care less if my children told me they were gay. I might be upset if my H told me he was gay tho! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

I have no problem with gay marriage. God loves us all folks!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by tossedwave:
<strong>
Most homoexuality is not monogamous and healthy. There is nothing healthy or hearwarming to me about homosexuality. And there is a major agenda in the gay community to "program" our children to experiment with this lifestyle choice. There are curriculums being taught in public school that embrace and indoctrinate our children into the gay lifestyle.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">First, there is a reason that homosexuality is not monogamous and healthy. Because it is "taboo," because it is something to be hidden and scorned, homosexuality is "forbidden fruit," and therefore mysterious and tempting.

I'm guessing that if homosexuality were "no big deal," it wouldn't be such a divisive issue.

Also, I totally disagree that there is an effort by the gay community to "recruit" kids into the lifestyle. I've had gay friends for over 20 years, along with gay teachers (going back to third grade), gay roomates, gay co-workers, and gay family friends (for as long as I can remember) and NOT A SINGLE ONE ever tried to "recruit" me to the "gay lifestyle."

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">God truly made us sexual beings and we will always have a need to satisfy our sexual urges. I believe that is why God instituted marriage so that we would have a safe, healthy place to satisfy and enjoy this part of us.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Wouldn't it be better if gays had a safe, healthy place to satisfy and enjoy their life?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
BTW---I know a lot of very happily married heterosexuals who don't have to go outside their M vows or indulge in perversion to be happy. The dynamics of M works---it the people in it that don't.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ditto. I know very happy gay couples who've been monogamous for decades, and I know straight couples who couldn't keep it together for more than a few months.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Also, I totally disagree that there is an effort by the gay community to "recruit" kids into the lifestyle.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">then you haven't heard/learned of the type of propoganda that is placed into school curriculae... and if it is not direct recruitment, then the propganda is to support general acceptance that this lifestyle is viable, reasonable, and should be protected... and then to "rub" it in our faces...

TV Bravo's 'Queer Eye [for the Straight Guy]'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56565-2003Jul14.html
'Queer Eye': (David) Collins dreamed up a show wherein a straight guy would undergo an intense three-day makeover (or, as Collins prefers, "make-better") under the direction of five professional gay men, aka "the Fab Five." The payoff at the end of each self-contained hourlong episode is that Mr. Hetero's image overhaul is leading up to a big event in his life, like a marriage proposal or job interview.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">First, there is a reason that homosexuality is not monogamous and healthy. Because it is "taboo," because it is something to be hidden and scorned, homosexuality is "forbidden fruit," and therefore mysterious and tempting. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Couldn't you argue the same point on 'adultery'?... and then taking the 'slippery slope' just another step... man-boy 'relations'?

...the 'health' issue is not just an issue of 'taboo'... it is the form of sex had in these partners.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Jim/NSR

<small>[ July 20, 2003, 06:26 AM: Message edited by: NSR ]</small>

Wow, tough issue. Honostly I'm a little torn about it. You see, my brother is gay. Also I've always been a "government stay the he** out of my life" kinda guy. The government shouldn't be telling us how to live our lives. So long as our decisions and actions do not infringe on the rights of others, there shouldn't be a problem.

On the other hand, I don't buy into the "hereditary" issue. Every gay person I know admits they are gay because they choose to be. No other reason. I also find it interesting that almost every gay person I know suffered from some emotional trauma (in some cases very sever) before "coming out". My brother doesn't believe it's hereditary at all. And he is quite open about his sexuality.

Another point is the definition of marriage. A marriage is defined as the union of 2 people of the oposite sex. Suppose you change the *opposite sex* part. Do you next change the *union of 2 people* part? Do we then start to recognize poligomous marriages (some states may already, I'm not sure) as legit? What about a marraige between a 45 year old man and a 14 year old girl, is that to be recognized next? I agree with what Chris said in an earlier post. If someone wants to participate in that type of activity, fine. I don't agree with it, but I honostly don't care. But when my tax dollars (which are already way too much for going to frivilous causes) are used for it and it is thrown in my face, I cannot either look the other way. I had more to say but I lost my train of thought. Get back later.

mtd

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by NSR:
... if it is not direct recruitment, then the propganda is to support general acceptance that this lifestyle is viable, reasonable, and should be protected... and then to "rub" it in our faces...

TV Bravo's 'Queer Eye [for the Straight Guy]' ... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">change the channel. those who choose to watch will. those that don't can find any number of other things on television to entertain/enlighten/empower/embolden them. that's the beauty of tv.

sorry folks I do not believe in gays getting married.
I have asked that his topic be locked so if you want you might have to finish your discussion someplace else..this is taking a nasty turn.

the thing is. it is wrong in Gods eyes..
sodom and gomorrah was destroyed because of sodomites..
and that is what gays do..the men..sodomy..

I also have a nephew who was gay by choice due to the fact he was confused by a queer as a child and thought he was gay then because someone took advantage of his innocence..he died of aids in 1983 and the person he got it from is alive yet today. he did finally repent before he died but was living with this person as man and whatever..they called it..and he left him everything as joint ownership they do not NEED to get married..they cannot create children..
they use to call them Queer when I grew up we were taught they were evil and I still see them as such..there were many at the rehab nursing homes and they hit on my hubby..I do not like them, the ones who are leering at your husbands..sorry people but they are sick..and need help but the kind of sick they are is spiritually and God has given them over to a reprobate mind to do what is not right..it is their choice..don't make excuses for them..do not condone it..because it still is not right..

people who get married it is a sacrament and it is a sacred covenant between us and God..they cannot do that...they do not serve God..they serve self and each other..because if they loved and served God they would not be in that type of a relationship..

lets save our families parents love your kids even if they are gay..most have been trapped into this perverted life style..get some of
Barbara Johnsons books and read how her son was gay..and her other sons died...but study and learn don't let them make you believe a lie..
it says in revelations they will be outside the gates along with the whoremongers and dogs..and liars..and I fear for you people who will not know God..and come to HIM before that time you will be outside that gate too..

please repent and help your children most kids I
have counceled who were ready to kill themself in suicide channel are your children young kids who were abused by a relative or babysiter while your out there earning the money to pay for the extra car...they were abuse sexually and confused that they think they were gay and wanted to die rather then tell you what happened and you could help them to know the truth..it was not their fault and no they are not gay..but straight and somene messed with them and needed to be punished..

get real..get straight yourself..serve GOD..who will judge in the end..the joke will be on you..only it won't be funny any more..
Jesus is coming back and the kids say it this way..on suicide who have found HIM

Jesus is coming back and He is pissed..
and that is true..HE is angry..and people need to think about the future..and help your kids..where are your kids right now? on a puter doing homework?

I don't think so..I talked to many who were suppose to be doing homework that had knives under their beds and razor blades..to cut their flesh to help their pain..check their bodies for marks..and you will know..it helps them to stop the pain..crazy isn't it, but talk to them and ask do they know any self mutilators..God help you parents today..I am glad my kids are raised although I fear for my grandchildren..
take care and God help you all...Keep on Keeping on...
oh and I hope you get to read this before they lock it as I asked them to... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

New beginning and Sue with hope? It said do you believe in homo's marrying. What if it's a family member? I still didn't see anything that ask if you'd still love them if they were homosexual. It was about privilege of marriage.

Sue with hope Sue with hope? Did I get your name right. sorry if not as it's not over under this post.
Here is how I explain your question as to whether it's Gods word and truth.
God doesn't make mistakes! Therefore, when he gave his word, he chose who would write it down, without pen a paper, there were skins and they did write with tools.
As for translations God would also chooose who and how it would succeed down through the ages. Of course, if one doesn't beleive in God then they won't believe in the bible.
But if you do, then you know he doesn't make mistakes, he is omnipotent and I can trust that he made certain we'd get his truth thousands of years later!
I don't have a problem believing he is in control still and the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
LouLou

&#8220;Let us love one another, for love comes from God.
Everyone who loves has been born of God
and knows God. Whoever does not love
does not know God, because God is love.&#8221;
(1 John 4:7-8)

"Love the LORD your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your strength.&#8221;
(Deuteronomy 6:5)

"You will seek me and find me
when you seek me with all your heart.&#8221;
(Jeremiah 29:13)

We need a intimate relationship with God !

We need to have a personal relationship with God,

we need to have an awareness of His Son Jesus Christ

we need to have Jesus living in our heart!

"Do you have Jesus living in your heart? Have you asked Him to forgive your
sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness, as it says in, 1John1:9?

are you washed in the blood of the lamb?

God bless you
Know you are forgiven, if you asked God to forgive you, He did.

HE is faithful and just to forgive your sins and cleanse you like He promised in His word..

God Bless you

It is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement. (Gods judgement not mine, not yours..HIS)

we all have to decide for ourself each and every soul on earth has to choose..what they will do with Gods gift to us..Jesus..what did you do..accept Him, or reject Him..
accept Him we are with Him in paradise
reject Him we go to hell..it is soo simple children lead their parents to Him sometimes.
so no one can be ignorant HE left His will and testament for us..IT IS CALLED A BIBLE
Read it you are a joint heir look and see what you have inherited..if you choose to be one of HIS.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

and what happens if you don't become HIS

Thank you Father that you hear our prayers and answer us. AMEN!

IMHO, if two people have it within them to love one another and be committed to one another, then it does not matter what gender they are.
Homosexual tendencies have been around since the dawning of the human race. Homosexuality is part of many many other species on this planet.
Who are we to judge? God himself does not judge.
Legal Marital rights should be granted to all who believe in the covenent of the marriage vows.

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